Archbishop Warns Obama: You’ll Cause 'Conflict Between Church and State of Enormous Proportions’

[donsnow]

Hi, DonSnow,

For what it is worth … the weather is nice here in Houston … but, we are still in the midst of a terrible drought.

Now, one last suggestion: please see your doctor BEFORE getting a flu shot. With the potential for complication related to an existing respiratory problem - it would be prudent to have the doc look you over first and then disucss getting a flu shot at this time. Nothing is ever simple … and developing a poltentially avoidable health related complications as we approach winter is something to consider.

On to the topic … I have no idea where these bishops are going with supporting Archbishop Dolan - but, maybe they have some kind of ‘osmosis’ factor that they are trying to get to work!

According to this source, almost 40% of Catholics approve of Obama’s policies. Check this out:

Family Research Council Action president Tony Perkins says he doesn’t think the new director will have any luck reaching pro-life advocates who are upset that Obama has repeatedly promoted abortion, forced them to pay for abortions or funding pro-abortion organizations in multiple circumstances, or cozied up with leaders of pro-abortion groups like NARAL and Planned Parenthood.
“A Barna Research Survey conducted earlier this year shows that President Obama has a 6 percent favorability rating among evangelicals. A more recent Quinnipiac survey reports that the President has a 39 percent favorability rating among Catholics,” Perkins said. “The DNC and the President may hope this effort will reverse his falling poll numbers among religious voters, but I predict that as the fruit of this administration is examined by Christian voters, the President will find little support.”
“The President’s policies that promote abortion also undermine family formation,” Perkins added.
“Abortion does this by contributing to infant mortality, victimizing women, and encouraging the abdication of responsibility by men. He has issued executive orders to fund foreign abortion organizations and use tax dollars for experimentation on human embryos. He is even opposed to commonsense parental notification laws. These laws reaffirm the unique role that a mother and father have in the life of a child,” the FRC leader continued. lifenews.com/2011/10/20/pro-lifers-obama-religious-outreach-cant-hide-abortion-record/
This tells me that the bishops need to do something.

God bless

Good morning, tqualey,

I have never understood how any Catholic could vote a ticket that supported abortion, mocking of traditional marriage and restriction of Constitutional gun rights.
I can see where each major party enacts its respective different godly views, along with a lot of the ungodly.
That ungodly is why I am now an unaffiliated registered voter. You just can’t mix godly and ungodly.

God loves you,
Don

 

[tqualey]

Hi, DonSnow,

I really would not characterize declaring that you belong to a political party when you register to vote as ‘ungodly’. While God has not endorsed any political party our participation in one, and our voting can indeed be very righteous acts.

As a registered Republican, there are some elections that I can not participate in … but, I can participate if there is a Republican primary and this means that I can influence an election. The burden is to vote for someone who will not trash the values that I hold dear. President Obama has gone out of his way to do this, has actually lied about doing it and has every intention of continuing the path he has blazed duirng his time in office.

If almost 40% of Catholic voters sampled approve of this President, we really should find out why that is the case.

God bless

Good morning, tqualey,

I have never understood how any Catholic could vote a ticket that supported abortion, mocking of traditional marriage and restriction of Constitutional gun rights.
I can see where each major party enacts its respective different godly views, along with a lot of the ungodly.
That ungodly is why I am now an unaffiliated registered voter. You just can’t mix godly and ungodly.

God loves you,
Don

 

[tqualey]

Apparently the Obama Administration is bracing for still another battle with Catholics - and here is the item from the Washington Post: washingtonpost.com/politics/health-abortion-issues-split-obama-administration-catholic-groups/2011/10/27/gIQAXV5xZM_story.html?wpisrc=nl_politics

With the Inspector General of HHS now involved, I think this will get especially nasty trying to convince people that denying the grant to the US Bishops was not a political hatchet job.

I would really like to see more US Bishops get publicly involved in this - really. Like just what are they waiting for?

God bless

 

[estesbob]

Apparently the Obama Administration is bracing for still another battle with Catholics - and here is the item from the Washington Post: washingtonpost.com/politics/health-abortion-issues-split-obama-administration-catholic-groups/2011/10/27/gIQAXV5xZM_story.html?wpisrc=nl_politics

With the Inspector General of HHS now involved, I think this will get especially nasty trying to convince people that denying the grant to the US Bishops was not a political hatchet job.

I would really like to see more US Bishops get publicly involved in this - really. Like just what are they waiting for?

God bless

Actually it is good political move on the Obama administration’s part. Many many people hate the Catholic Church-. One need only read the comments attached to this article to see that mindset. and Obama knows that he will still get 40 to 50% of the Catholic vote regardless of how much he attacks Church as long as he promises to raise taxes on the rich, support unions and “care for the poor”

If Catholics really adhered to their faith when they voted abortion would be illegal in this country within three election cycles.

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Actually it is good political move on the Obama administration’s part. Many many people hate the Catholic Church-. One need only read the comments attached to this article to see that mindset. and Obama knows that he will still get 40 to 50% of the Catholic vote regardless of how much he attacks Church as long as he promises to raise taxes on the rich, support unions and “care for the poor”

If Catholics really adhered to their faith when they voted abortion would be illegal in this country within three election cycles.

Heck, I could see a lot of non-Catholic Christians voting for him for these reasons as well. Which is sad…

 

[estesbob]

Heck, I could see a lot of non-Catholic Christians voting for him for these reasons as well. Which is sad…

Unfortunately, our culture has generated an attitude that a person of faith can fulfill their obligation to help the poor & needy merely by voting for someone who promises to take other people’s money and do it for them. . They have taken the sermon on the Mount & twisted it beyond recognition. Charity via government largess and destruction of the most vulnerable among us are the linchpins of this culture

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Estesbob,

I fear you are right…

With the tenacity of these now world-wide ‘Occupy’ groups, all claiming capitalism is the enemy (I just not have actually heard that socialism is the savior), I have no idea just where our country is going.

God bless

Actually it is good political move on the Obama administration’s part. Many many people hate the Catholic Church-. One need only read the comments attached to this article to see that mindset. and Obama knows that he will still get 40 to 50% of the Catholic vote regardless of how much he attacks Church as long as he promises to raise taxes on the rich, support unions and “care for the poor”

If Catholics really adhered to their faith when they voted abortion would be illegal in this country within three election cycles.

 

[michelleds]

Just stumbled on this thread, working to catch up, apologies if this is redundant. here’s what the Kansas Bishops had to say:

The four bishops of Kansas have written a letter to Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, objecting to the federal mandate that “requires all health plans to cover prescription contraceptives and sterilization,” especially the requirement of one drug that is an abortifacient.“The HHS mandate is profoundly deficient in terms of medical, moral, and constitutional good sense. It should be rescinded entirely and immediately,” they wrote in a letter dated Sept. 26.
The bishops said they believe the new mandate is “an affront” to the First Amendment freedoms of those who object to contraceptives and sterilization.
“The mandate’s extraordinarily narrow religious exemption provides no protection at all for individuals or insurers with such objections, and will not apply to Catholic universities, hospitals, and charitable organizations that serve the general public. As a result, many Catholic institutions may have no choice but to cease providing employee healthcare coverage altogether. It is difficult to see how this advances the cause of health care for all.”
Want to read the letter?
The entire letter is available at the Kansas Catholic Conference’s website: kscathconf.org/.

[bolding mine]

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Just stumbled on this thread, working to catch up, apologies if this is redundant. here’s what the Kansas Bishops had to say:

[bolding mine]

This type really irks me.

Why must we cover contraception (and everything else under the sun as it seems)?

To me, it seems like what gets most people into financial trouble because of their health is stuff like car accidents and cancer. Shouldn’t we be more concerned with catastrophic coverage first, rather than covering every little pill, especially for stuff that’s not needed if people exercise self control?

 

[donsnow]

Hi, DonSnow,

I really would not characterize declaring that you belong to a political party when you register to vote as ‘ungodly’. While God has not endorsed any political party our participation in one, and our voting can indeed be very righteous acts.

As a registered Republican, there are some elections that I can not participate in … but, I can participate if there is a Republican primary and this means that I can influence an election. The burden is to vote for someone who will not trash the values that I hold dear. President Obama has gone out of his way to do this, has actually lied about doing it and has every intention of continuing the path he has blazed duirng his time in office.

If almost 40% of Catholic voters sampled approve of this President, we really should find out why that is the case.

God bless

Hi, tqualey,

Oh, that’s not what I meant. I don’t mean that it’s ungodly to register to vote or to pick a party so you can register. I really wish the state of Texas had three or more choices for registering to vote including the two major parties, and either independent or unaffiliated.

What I meant was, each major party contains godly and ungodly viewpoints, and that’s the godly and ungodly that doesn’t mix.
I now consider the two major parties as part of Congress’ and this nation’s political problems.

God loves you,
Don

 

[donsnow]

Just stumbled on this thread, working to catch up, apologies if this is redundant. here’s what the Kansas Bishops had to say:

[bolding mine]

Thank you, Michelleds,

For that quote and link. Such a shame we have to dig to find other Catholic coverage on this and another shame that the October and November North Texas Catholic has not articles on it. I’ll see if I can find my September issue and check that.

Ah, found it. September issue, page 10: VOICES of the CHURCH. “Bishop Vann issues statement opposing HHS contraceptive, abortifacient mandates.” So, he and the Bishops of Texas do join in this statement.

God loves you,
Don

 

[Swiss_Guy]

This type really irks me.

Why must we cover contraception (and everything else under the sun as it seems)?

To me, it seems like what gets most people into financial trouble because of their health is stuff like car accidents and cancer. Shouldn’t we be more concerned with catastrophic coverage first, rather than covering every little pill, especially for stuff that’s not needed if people exercise self control?

Yep. We shouldn’t have to have insurance cover sinful things. I mean, I’m partial towards the Democratic Party out of their long history for supporting Catholics and their ideals, but Obama is just an awful president. And the Democratic Party is starting to follow Obama’s lead, which is really sad.

 

[donsnow]

Good afternoon, all,

Okay, I found the September issue of theNorth Texas Catholic. On page ten, under the VOICE of the CHURCH heading, I found this article: "Bishop Vann issues statement opposing HHS contraceptive, abortifacient mandates.

I then went to the North Texas Catholic web, then to archives, to see if I could get a link to this article. However, the archive is still under construction. Nevertheless, on a sidebar at the archive page, I found this link to an article about our OP:

fwdioc.org/ntc/Pages/mrsgrant.aspx

"US bishops’ agency denied federal grant to help trafficking victims
By Carol Zimmermann
Catholic News Service

10/11/2011

WASHINGTON (CNS) – Since 2006, the U.S. Catholic bishops’ Migration and Refugee Services has helped more than 2,700 victims of human trafficking obtain food, clothing and access to medical care.

That service came to an abrupt halt when the agency recently learned that it would no longer receive a federal grant for this work from the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement. MRS’ prior contract for the trafficking program ended Oct. 10.

Mercy Sister Mary Ann Walsh, director of media relations for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, told Catholic News Service Oct. 11 that she hoped the Catholic Church’s “position against abortion, sterilization and artificial contraception has not entered into this decision” by the HHS refugee office to reject MRS’ application for a new grant, “especially since this administration has said it stands fully behind freedom of conscience.”

She noted that the MRS’s anti-trafficking program “ran quite well without these services” and said it would be “tragic if abortion politics harmed the men, women and children already at risk because of the crime and scandal of human trafficking.”

MRS officials had no immediate comment."

Please go to the link for the rest of the article.

So, all over the country, the Catholic press is sounding off about these issues. It’s just that the mainline media doesn’t cover what we publish, until ArchBishop Dolan writes a letter to President Barak Hussien Obama II.

God loves all of you, lurkers, too,
Don

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Good afternoon, all,

Okay, I found the September issue of theNorth Texas Catholic. On page ten, under the VOICE of the CHURCH heading, I found this article: "Bishop Vann issues statement opposing HHS contraceptive, abortifacient mandates.

I then went to the North Texas Catholic web, then to archives, to see if I could get a link to this article. However, the archive is still under construction. Nevertheless, on a sidebar at the archive page, I found this link to an article about our OP:

fwdioc.org/ntc/Pages/mrsgrant.aspx

"US bishops’ agency denied federal grant to help trafficking victims
By Carol Zimmermann
Catholic News Service

10/11/2011

WASHINGTON (CNS) – Since 2006, the U.S. Catholic bishops’ Migration and Refugee Services has helped more than 2,700 victims of human trafficking obtain food, clothing and access to medical care.

That service came to an abrupt halt when the agency recently learned that it would no longer receive a federal grant for this work from the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement. MRS’ prior contract for the trafficking program ended Oct. 10.

Mercy Sister Mary Ann Walsh, director of media relations for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, told Catholic News Service Oct. 11 that she hoped the Catholic Church’s “position against abortion, sterilization and artificial contraception has not entered into this decision” by the HHS refugee office to reject MRS’ application for a new grant, “especially since this administration has said it stands fully behind freedom of conscience.”

She noted that the MRS’s anti-trafficking program “ran quite well without these services” and said it would be “tragic if abortion politics harmed the men, women and children already at risk because of the crime and scandal of human trafficking.”

MRS officials had no immediate comment."

Please go to the link for the rest of the article.

God loves all of you, lurkers, too,
Don

 

[donsnow]

I don’t get it.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

I don’t get it.

The Church can’t help trafficking victims because the HHS doesn’t like that the Catholic Church is against abortions.

Unless I’ve misunderstood something.

 

[donsnow]

The Church can’t help trafficking victims because the HHS doesn’t like that the Catholic Church is against abortions.

Unless I’ve misunderstood something.

Hey, thanks, Swiss Guy,

You got it right.

I probably shouldn’t be posting with these cold symptoms and not enough sleep. It was me that was slow to understand your anger, not you who did any misunderstanding.

God loves you,
Don

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Hey, thanks, Swiss Guy,

You got it right.

I probably shouldn’t be posting with these cold symptoms and not enough sleep. It was me that was slow to understand your anger, not you who did any misunderstanding.

God loves you,
Don

Hope you get well soon.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Michelleds,

Thanks for this information.

On another but similar note. On November 3, the US Senate, under the leadership of Sen Patrick Leahy, will begin the debating process for the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. leahy.senate.gov/press/press_releases/release/?id=D893F60F-D3D2-4E33-A7F6-B5BCA67F3296

I have no idea where our Bishops are going to go on this … but, some type of organization is needed to defeat efforts to repeal this law. A lot more efforts will be needed to get our President to defend the laws of this land that he took an oath to do!

God help us all

Just stumbled on this thread, working to catch up, apologies if this is redundant. here’s what the Kansas Bishops had to say:

[bolding mine]

 

[PTL]

It is sad to say this, but this is what I believe:
Our President knows exactly what he is doing, he is not dumb, he is super smart.
His policy “against marriage” or “for same sex marriage”, his policy “against life”, or “for abortion”, his policy to hurt religious freedom, all these, are by his design, take no mistake.

He knows what he is doing and he is doing what he wants. He doesn’t care what people think, he cares to carry out his ideology. The only way to change this horror is to vote him out. But, sadly, I agree with some posters who said earlier that lot of Catholics are still blindly supporting him. It makes me wonder… how could they know all these but still want to vote for a person whose belief is all the way against our Catholic faith??? That is really sad.

For whoever can see the truth, we can do our part by praying and helping wake people up. Our time is dark, really dark. Let’s keep up our lights.