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(Archdiocese of Detroit:) Statement regarding Real Catholic TV and its name
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Julia_Mae
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Which has been the subject of many CAF threads, but is off-topic in this one.
What I find interesting about this story, is that usually the struggles between Bishops and others is about priests or other religious. In this case, the Archdiocese is bringing Church Law to bear in the case of a layperson. I’ll be interested to see how that person responds. I also find it interesting that the public even knows about this, at least at this point.
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saveusfromhell
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people should read julia mae blog on her signature.
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GratefulDad
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I would agree. Even with all the politicians and media which use Catholic or proclaim to be Catholic, there seems to be only a few others called out and almost no other enterprise that has had a cease and desist order, via Cannon Law placed on them.
What will be the most interesting is to see how the AoD goes forward with other entities in their jurisdiction and apply equal justice under the law, wouldn’t it?
Those who do not fight for equal justice under the law have simply succumbed to the sin of Envy and are just sad and pitiful human beings.
Hopfully we all try to offend our heavenly Father less as we grow in Faith, Love and Hope.St. Michael’s Media states the Truth, which few have the backbone to say. Just look at the poor state of the Archdiocese of Detroit. Closing 100-200 parishes over 15 short years, very very sad.
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julia state she is impatient with conservative people on this forum, never mind the BVM being a goddess to many catholicsI would agree. Even with all the politicians and media which use Catholic or proclaim to be Catholic, there seems to be only a few others called out and almost no other enterprise that has had a cease and desist order, via Cannon Law placed on them.
St. Michael’s Media states the Truth, which few have the backbone to say. Just look at the poor state of the Archdiocese of Detroit. Closing 100-200 parishes over 15 short years, very very sad.
metaphysicalcatholic.blogspot.com/2011/12/whatever-happened-to-that-medjugorje.html#more
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actually i’m pretty sorry i read this blog people should stay away from it
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GratefulDad
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Yes, very sad indeed. Thanks for pointing this out. We need to pray for all those who live in darkness and need to find the light of the One Truth as taught by the Catholic Church Fathers and Popes.
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Robert_Bay
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Julia_Mae
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I don’t know how many other apostolates are using “Catholic” in the AoD and I don’t know how many of those applied for permission per canon law and got it. Do you? I’m just saying I’m not sure the issue you bring up even exists. I don’t live there, however, perhaps you do and have more information?
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saveusfromhell
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i think this thread may be dead, i am finished any way so i shall leave with a prayer
st Michael the archangel defend us in the day of battle be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil.may God rebuke him we humble pray, and thou prince of the heavenly host, through the power of God cast into @#!*% satan and all the evil sprits who prowl throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls amen.
God Bless
st Michael the archangel defend us in the day of battle be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil.may God rebuke him we humble pray, and thou prince of the heavenly host, through the power of God cast into @#!*% satan and all the evil sprits who prowl throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls amen.
God Bless
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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What other groups are in the archdiocese that are not receiving the say same treatment?I would agree. Even with all the politicians and media which use Catholic or proclaim to be Catholic, there seems to be only a few others called out and almost no other enterprise that has had a cease and desist order, via Cannon Law placed on them.
What will be the most interesting is to see how the AoD goes forward with other entities in their jurisdiction and apply equal justice under the law, wouldn’t it?
This is a red herring. The closing of parishes has nothing to do with this issue.St. Michael’s Media states the Truth, which few have the backbone to say. Just look at the poor state of the Archdiocese of Detroit. Closing 100-200 parishes over 15 short years, very very sad.
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JReducation
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That is not the case. The layperson happens to be the contact person. The Archdiocese is speaking about an apostolate. The canon is very clear. An apostolate cannot call itself Catholic unless it has permission. The diocese writes to the person who represents the apostolate.
We must be very careful here. There are groups that use the name Catholic, but they are not apostolates. Therefore, the law does not apply to them. For example, Catholics For Choice is not an apostolate. Catholic Worker has never claimed to be Catholic. Their members are Catholics. That other crazy group whose name escapes me, the one that is for gay marriages, women’s ordination and a few other odd things, is not an apostolate.
As long as they don’t claim to be an apostolate, the law does not apply. The law only applies if you present yourself as a Catholic apostolate. For example, CA is a Catholic apostolate. It has to be acknowledged as such by the bishop of the home diocese.
Knights of Columbus don’t even have the word Catholic in their name, but they profess to be a Catholic apostolate. They too must have the approval of their home bishop in CT, which they’ve had since the time of their founding. Now they have Pontifical Right like the big religious orders. The Holy See grants them the right to call themselves a Catholic Public Association of the Faithful.
There is a difference between individuals calling themselves Catholic and a ministry or an association calling itself Catholic. You can have an association called Catholics for Communism. It does not make the association Catholic. It means that the association is run by Catholics who are not well wrapped; but that’s a topic for another thread.
Fraternally,
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TrueLight
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Is realcatholic TV calling itself a Catholic Apostolate?
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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I don’t know but Saint Michael’s Media, ehich is the parent entity of RCTV (I believe), calls itself a lay apostolate.
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Sirach2
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JR, in this instance, the contact person is the main gazabo, the whole ministry. Legally, yes, he’s the contact, the resident agent. I can see that Simon Rafe might be called a contact person, in fact he’s the webmaster.
I suspect that if Voris is disciplined with sanctions, the whole RCTV will either sink or swim. Without him, there is no apostolate. Since he is spreading dissension about the faith, the AoD would be rightly concerned. If you happened to watch his video on Freedom of Speech that I posted earlier, he glories in being independent of any ecclesial authority. Much like a lone ranger, champion of truth and justice, as he perhaps perceives himself.
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I see. Thank you (and anyone else who may have addressed my question afterwards
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Julia_Mae
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Thank you. What I meant was that in the past I have only heard about a Bishop interacting in this way with priests or religious, not lay people. Now, we can say all we want that there is an entity, apostolate or not, that is being addressed, but that entity is owned and controlled, apparently in it’s entirely, by a single lay person. So here was have two things: the civil business identity of the physical plant that produces and distributes the content, and the content distributed which is the “apostolate” I presume. In this case, that is, I am speaking specifically to to this topic.
One question I have is if this person, personally or under any business name, has registered themselves as a non-profit with the state? How do you define “apostolate?” Has the person/company made this claim for themselves? If they have not, can the Archbishop define them as that for purposes of enforcing the canon?
Coming from a legal family, I understand there is legal reality and there is how things work. Whatever the legal reality is, either ecclesial or civil, if I am using the word correctly, the fact is that this is all in the lap of the only person who is in control, Vorhis. He made it, named it, and will decide it. And the Archbishop will respond to that.
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Credo111
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Sirach wrote:
“I can accept strong speakers, but not a lack of charity…Red-neck ruffians are most likely to appreciate his crass verbiage.”
Way to be charitable there, sister.
You said above that he “spreads dissension about the faith.” Where and how, praytell? I think what you mean to say is that he can be divisive–but Truth can be divisive. One must speak the truth anyway.
You fault him for having criticized “the majority of bishops” for failing to speak strongly against Obama.
Do you believe he was wrong in his information? If so, do you have evidence to present to us that the majority of bishops DID come out strongly against Obama? Or do you simply take issue with the fact that he pointed out the truth? Are laity not allowed to point out the truth of the matter when bishops fail us? Or perhaps you think all bishops are above reproach and can NEVER be criticized, no matter what.
Watching a handful of Vortex videos doesn’t give one an accurate view of what RCTV does. I suggest you familiarize yourself with its content, which has hundreds of hours of very helpful (and orthodox) apologetics, church history, theology, exegesis, etc.
As to your research, if you had done some more digging, you would see that Voris founded St. Michael’s Media in 2006, and that the company founded in 1997 was his TV production company. Michael didn’t even come back to the faith until around 2003 or so. You would also see that Marc Brammer has incorporated RCTV as a C-corp in South Bend, and that Voris is his employee.
Oh, and Cardinal Burke did indeed bless the studio itself, and not just that website:
youtube.com/watch?v=4L4UgVGYTVI
Anyway, this is all very tiresome. You clearly have an animus against Voris, and you don’t like his delivery. That’s your choice. But please don’t misrepresent him or his work. And visit RCTV sometime and check out its content–not just the Vortex (which is meant to be pithy and provocative).
And if you can open up your mind and heart a little, you might realize that Michael is 100% sincere in wanting to save souls, and that that is the very reason for his existence and for his apostolate. He gave up a lucrative career in order to do what he does now, all for souls, and it’s a shame his archdiocese does not support him. His conversion story is worth hearing:
vimeo.com/17497131
God bless,
Christine
“I can accept strong speakers, but not a lack of charity…Red-neck ruffians are most likely to appreciate his crass verbiage.”
Way to be charitable there, sister.
You said above that he “spreads dissension about the faith.” Where and how, praytell? I think what you mean to say is that he can be divisive–but Truth can be divisive. One must speak the truth anyway.
You fault him for having criticized “the majority of bishops” for failing to speak strongly against Obama.
Do you believe he was wrong in his information? If so, do you have evidence to present to us that the majority of bishops DID come out strongly against Obama? Or do you simply take issue with the fact that he pointed out the truth? Are laity not allowed to point out the truth of the matter when bishops fail us? Or perhaps you think all bishops are above reproach and can NEVER be criticized, no matter what.
Watching a handful of Vortex videos doesn’t give one an accurate view of what RCTV does. I suggest you familiarize yourself with its content, which has hundreds of hours of very helpful (and orthodox) apologetics, church history, theology, exegesis, etc.
As to your research, if you had done some more digging, you would see that Voris founded St. Michael’s Media in 2006, and that the company founded in 1997 was his TV production company. Michael didn’t even come back to the faith until around 2003 or so. You would also see that Marc Brammer has incorporated RCTV as a C-corp in South Bend, and that Voris is his employee.
Oh, and Cardinal Burke did indeed bless the studio itself, and not just that website:
youtube.com/watch?v=4L4UgVGYTVI
Anyway, this is all very tiresome. You clearly have an animus against Voris, and you don’t like his delivery. That’s your choice. But please don’t misrepresent him or his work. And visit RCTV sometime and check out its content–not just the Vortex (which is meant to be pithy and provocative).
And if you can open up your mind and heart a little, you might realize that Michael is 100% sincere in wanting to save souls, and that that is the very reason for his existence and for his apostolate. He gave up a lucrative career in order to do what he does now, all for souls, and it’s a shame his archdiocese does not support him. His conversion story is worth hearing:
vimeo.com/17497131
God bless,
Christine
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Shocking, indeed. His use of sarcasm and rhetoric to rend the flesh (meaning of the word “sarcasm”) of his fellow Catholics while he touts his independence is unbelievable. I am glad that here at CAF such treatment of others is not permitted.
I wonder if it ever occurred to Mr. Voris that he might benefit from diocesan oversight, presenting his ministry in a manner more in keeping with the Catholic teaching on charity, and on the respect everyone’s good name deserves. In other words, reach people on a level of fact and intellect, confront sinners in love, and leave the shock jock stuff for the world.
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Nec5
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Truth is the greatest form of charity. Was Christ being uncharitable when he referred to people as swine or called others “sons of devils” and liars before their very faces? I think not. Truth, the real truth, is often painful because it strips away the lies and euphemisms we cloak ourselves with. Sugarcoating is not charity. It is deception. In fact, sugarcoating and this new fangled definition of charity is one of the prime reasons Christianity, and Catholicism along with it, is in rapid retreat in the West.
The opposite of Western “charity” is also the reason why Christianity is growing quickly in Africa and the East. Christians in those parts spread and seek the truth of Christ and leave the earthly consequences to God to work out.
You show no compassion by sugarcoating, and you are not doing anyone any favors by dancing around painful issues.
The opposite of Western “charity” is also the reason why Christianity is growing quickly in Africa and the East. Christians in those parts spread and seek the truth of Christ and leave the earthly consequences to God to work out.
You show no compassion by sugarcoating, and you are not doing anyone any favors by dancing around painful issues.
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Kathryn_Ann
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Thank you for posting this, as I had no idea of this news. I agree that perhaps, as one person has just posted, the name/word Catholic is one issue here, yet there may be more issues to be addressed. I think it is good to keep a watch over the use of the name Catholic, especially since people (such as some have listed below) actually dare to combine the word Catholic with the idea of things that go directly against Church authority.
I appreciate your thread here and will return to see other’s replies.
I appreciate your thread here and will return to see other’s replies.
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