I agree totally, I’m just saying Mike Voris isn’t a rebel without a cause… together with RCTV he has ecclesiastical connections and support, and if he wants to keep them I’m sure he’ll cooperate. He’d be crazy not to.
This may be a good place to further clarify information that I posted in the closed thread on RCTV, using permission Robert Bay gave me yesterday. I was just a bit hesitant until I did some more checking. In addition to the photocopies in my post showing that Voris filed Articles of Organization under the assumed name of Real Catholic TV, I checked with Michigan’s online verification of licensing, since the Department was closed for the holiday. This is the actual reproduction available on line.
Initially planning to create a single, one-off television program which specifically refuted those individual errors and falsehoods, Michael swiftly realized that the problem facing the Catholic Church in the United States and elsewhere was larger than a single Hollywood blockbuster, and so scaled his vision up. Withdrawing a substantial portion of his retirement fund and relying very heavily on volunteer labor and support, he began to construct a television studio in downtown Ferndale, Michigan. The apostolate which was formed took the name Saint Michael’s Media,
Exactly the point.
yep your whole post sounds good:thumbsup:
Cardinal Burke was there to bless the inception of Lizaanne’s Bridal website - NOT RCTV. Do you need the link? Or will you take my word.
sirach it goes with saying you put up a link when claiming something. you could be right but it’s the norm to do it, not ask people to take you at your word
It is legally not that simple, Mark. The best option is #2, cooperate with ecclesiastical authority and give witness that he is obedient.
actually it’s more than proving a point it’s about allowing others decide on the info sombody posts.
3 minutes between me asking and you posting?
Ah, deep inside the office of the infamous **Simon Rafe **(i.e., in case you forgot).
Why would it be skirting canon law?
This may be a good place to further clarify information that I posted in the closed thread on RCTV, using permission Robert Bay gave me yesterday. I was just a bit hesitant until I did some more checking. In addition to the photocopies in my post showing that Voris filed Articles of Organization under the assumed name of Real Catholic TV, I checked with Michigan’s online verification of licensing, since the Department was closed for the holiday. This is the actual reproduction available on line.
**Searched for: **REAL CATHOLIC TV
ID Num: B13368 Assumed Names
**Name:CONCEPT COMMUNICATION, L.L.C. **
Type: Domestic Limited Liability Company
Resident Agent: MICHAEL VORIS
**Registered Office Address: 445 W CAMBOURNE FERNDALE MI 48220 **
Mailing/Office Address: **
Formation/Qualification Date:7-8-1997
Jurisdiction of Origin:MICHIGAN
**Managed by: Members **
S****tatus: ACTIVE Date: Present
This reveals that the “Domestic” LLC is not a “foreign” entity, which would be the case if Marc Brammer from the State of Indiana is the owner, and which requires different filing. The business is noted as still active and I see no changes since 1997.
Further, it does not reveal an association of “partnership” but is run by “members.” This designation is required for IRS purposes of taxation.
The Formation/Qualification Date is 7-8-1997, and coincides with Voris’s public statement on his website, when he founded St. Michael’s Media, and is also the date for licensing RCTV per the photocopied document on the other thread.
I have not found a single reference pointing to Marc Brammer as the Owner, but the data all points to Voris himself. Whereas Dawnia mentioned in the closed thread that the Registered Agent’s signature on the photocopy is designation to act on behalf of the organization, smaller corporations such as LLC’s which are owned by one person who is also the management, typically will name themselves as registered agent.
It would appear that naming another person as owner would relieve him of dealings with the AoD, but I find no evidence of this so far. I will continue to check when the offices are open.
This really is a non-issue.As markmalloy points out this can be easily handled. What will be interesting is how the Archdiocese of Detroit exercises its duties and judgment with other entities with Catholic in the title. We know RCTV to proclaim God’s Objective Truth, boldly and without compromise. Those who believe that universalism is worthy of a place in the Catholic Church will surely be offended by boldness and steadfastness of the folks at RCTV. Just like the pagan Native American Indians in the Midwest were offended by missionaries in their black robes, for proclaiming the Eternal Truth and were tortured and killed for speaking the Truth.
In setting up any business and keeping it funded it is common that ownership can and does change. So we’ll see how this information is released. It may very well be that this is nothing more than cheap insignificant gossip that a handful of people on this forum ( and some other of the bloggs/forums) focus on, for a few days, because their lives are so hollow and superficial.
What markm said!:clapping:
Go to the expense of selling your home, moving your headquarters, on a possibility that permission will be given? And if the bishop would deny him, “for the sake of collegiality?” What does he gain?What I get from the pictures is that the Cardinal is a friend. Friendship and legal support are not the same thing. The Cardinal is not allowed to take a position here, for a number of reasons.
How very charitable of you.
i must have misinterpreted your posts, i thought you posted you have emailed the archdiocess, been active in a number of threads, already decided cannon law agrees with you, got on to moderators here and invited heavy weight posters on this web site jreducation to weigh in on your view of the proceedings. even though as usual his posts were honest and balanced.
This is all speculation, to which none of us is privy concerning the AoD and canon law. Let’s just drop all of this and let the Church handle their affairs.
Excellent job. The location of studio and business are in the same Archdiocese? I’m thinking AoD must have done this kind of research before they issued their demands, and withdraw my earlier reservations about it being a good idea. If they have jurisdiction, they are in a win-win situation,I think, because he either complies, which fulfills their goal, or he refuses, which puts him in public opposition and marks his disobedience to Church authority.
Agreed! We really should have more important things to do after 180+ post than worry about such pettiness.
This is all speculation, to which none of us is privy concerning the AoD and canon law. Let’s just drop all of this and let the Church handle their affairs.
if it was about profit making as you claimed earlier. why would he not move?