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Danny_OC
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As low of an opinion as you have for those who do nothing at all???
And what of the second part of my post; do you think that the people here who say they have seen the confrontational approach work are liars?
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And what of the second part of my post; do you think that the people here who say they have seen the confrontational approach work are liars?
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neat62
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Matt33
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Let me get this strait. the OP saw a woman that was going to kill her baby. Saw men yelling at her not to and is mad at the men? Talk about misguided rage. the op even states that she wanted to give them a piece of her mind. Another poster said they would call the police??!!!? Call the police on somene for yelling but in this country we think babykillers should have thier piece and quiet?
Talk about backseat driving. Maybe the men’s tactics dont work in your opinion, maybe they dont have a high success rate but what is the sucsess rate of NOTHING!
Thanks for being so civil. I’m sure the baby thanks you too. Makes me sick the cavalier attitude in which we view this.
Doesn’t matter what good and evil is just so long as you are not obnoxious.
Talk about backseat driving. Maybe the men’s tactics dont work in your opinion, maybe they dont have a high success rate but what is the sucsess rate of NOTHING!
Thanks for being so civil. I’m sure the baby thanks you too. Makes me sick the cavalier attitude in which we view this.
Doesn’t matter what good and evil is just so long as you are not obnoxious.
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neat62
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THANK YOU! Its unreal :rollingeyes: Its like I stated above…who is prepared to face God and say…“well, I didn’t want to ‘offend’ my neighbor, so I thought it best to say nothing and instead ‘offend’ YOU!”
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TC2
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“You’re a loser! Don’t be a loser! God loves you.”
No, this wouldn’t be effective on me either.
Calling someone a loser and then proclaiming
God’s love for them is just beyond backward, IMO.
There are better, kinder, more loving/Christian ways
to reach someone than this. They were good intentioned,
but way off track in the method.
No, this wouldn’t be effective on me either.
Calling someone a loser and then proclaiming
God’s love for them is just beyond backward, IMO.
There are better, kinder, more loving/Christian ways
to reach someone than this. They were good intentioned,
but way off track in the method.
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Danny_OC
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In fairness to them, they didn’t say “you’re a loser” they said she WOULD be a loser if she went in there. She was on her way in there, but had not gone in there yet; hence they were pleading that she not go in.
I’m not saying there aren’t more effective ways, but I applaud them for trying. As has been said, the truly wrong behavior would be to do nothing. And also very wrong is to look at that situation and be more angry with the shouting men than the woman who is going to murder a baby.
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Matt33
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If it affected 1 in a million poeople then it would be better than just carrying on with your yard sale!
I have had many women tell me that they didn’t understand it was wrong. These guys have ten seconds. if you think the woman feels bad now wait until the gravity of what she has done has been revealed to her later in life. At least someone is telling her what it is. Instead of the lies everyone else is telling her. At least pray for them if you aren’t going to join the battle at least then you are doing something. Get your rosary out. this isn’t football, if you aren’t happy with the tactics then DO something else. Put up or shut up so to speak.
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neat62
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I agree…and in fact, I had a woman tell me last week at a walk for life that I participated in…that she had aborted a baby when she was younger, but…had someone informed her of the horror and of it really was she was about to do, she wouldn’t have done so.If it affected 1 in a million poeople then it would be better than just carrying on with your yard sale!
I have had many women tell me that they didn’t understand it was wrong. These guys have ten seconds. if you think the woman feels bad now wait until the gravity of what she has done has been revealed to her later in life. At least someone is telling her what it is. Instead of the lies everyone else is telling her. At least pray for them if you aren’t going to join the battle at least then you are doing something. Get your rosary out. this isn’t football, if you aren’t happy with the tactics then DO something else. Put up or shut up so to speak.
She has gone on and married and now is the mother of five, but says there is not ONE DAY that goes by where she doesn’t think of the one she killed.
She reaffirmed for me, the fact that we need to be MORE direct, honest and assertive with those who would even ponder such a heinous act.
We can’t forget…on the other side they are telling these women that its not a big deal, that “everyone” does it and that it is in fact their “right” to choose to do so.
Its time we actually started countering that with more than simply hugs and tears AFTER they have made their choice!
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Valke2
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I have a dream that one day someone will be able to discuss planned parenthood or abortion without referring to the holocaust.
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neat62
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WHY? The horrrors of abortion have taken FAR MORE than the holocaust did.
Not condoning the Holocaust…but why is IT more outrageous than abortion? The murder of the most innocent among us…I thought that “our” promise was “NEVER AGAIN” and yet…we have allowed and even “encouraged” the murder of the weakest and most vulnerable among us…what hope does that leave you that there will not be another “holocaust”??
(I honestly believe we are in the midst of another Holocaust already!)
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hasikelee
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Yeppers. I can’t describe the feeling of despair and anguish I feel when I hear ladies talk about finding out “after the fact.”If it affected 1 in a million poeople then it would be better than just carrying on with your yard sale!
I have had many women tell me that they didn’t understand it was wrong. These guys have ten seconds. if you think the woman feels bad now wait until the gravity of what she has done has been revealed to her later in life. At least someone is telling her what it is. Instead of the lies everyone else is telling her. At least pray for them if you aren’t going to join the battle at least then you are doing something. Get your rosary out. this isn’t football, if you aren’t happy with the tactics then DO something else. Put up or shut up so to speak.
And I’m not even the one who has to live with it!
My closest friend whom I met at work is post abortive and I still get goosebumps remembering her expression as she came to realize what she did. What a choice.
She tells me about nightmares where people are pushing her into the clinic and trying to undress her. The complacency is not missed by women in these situations. The silence and dismissal of women is simply a nail in their coffin of self hatred and depression over killing the one human that should have been most precious to them.
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Michael_Saint
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I think it’s a Protestant thing.
When I was in the seminary in St. Louis, a number of us seminarians would go to the abortion clinic on Saturday mornings. On the one side, there were about 30 seminarians praying the rosary and singing hymns. On the other side, the parishioners from the Latin Mass community praying their own rosary.
Then there were these 2 or 3 Protestant guys. They would hold up signs of a mutilated fetus, and say things like “Don’t go in there, mom. Your baby has arms and legs and a heartbeat”. Sometimes they would say it’s wrong or a sin, so they were a little tamer than our OP spoke of.
Now, there was a woman from the Latin Mass parish who DID speak - but was mentioning (about 500 words a minute) other alternatives.
Here you have the contrast. The Catholics would pray and rely on God and the spiritual powers to defeat the Enemy. A rather silent witness focused more on trusting God to act. The Protestants would seem to rely more on themselves, on their own words and actions. They didn’t pray too often while they were at the clinic - they would just wait until the women got out of the vehicles and then gave their schpiel.
Oh, one interesting anecdote. One of the guys once said to one of the women, “There is one mediator between God and Man, the man Jesus Christ, who intercedes for us”. Apparently, he wasn’t really addressing the woman but was taking a shot at us for praying the rosary. After this, I saw one of the seminarians lean over and say something to him. I asked him what he said after, and he said, “I asked him if he would pray for me. He said 'Yes”. I said, ‘Thanks for mediating for me’". There was another seminarian there who would always approach him and whip out the apologetics on him, but he eventually left the seminary.
When I was in the seminary in St. Louis, a number of us seminarians would go to the abortion clinic on Saturday mornings. On the one side, there were about 30 seminarians praying the rosary and singing hymns. On the other side, the parishioners from the Latin Mass community praying their own rosary.
Then there were these 2 or 3 Protestant guys. They would hold up signs of a mutilated fetus, and say things like “Don’t go in there, mom. Your baby has arms and legs and a heartbeat”. Sometimes they would say it’s wrong or a sin, so they were a little tamer than our OP spoke of.
Now, there was a woman from the Latin Mass parish who DID speak - but was mentioning (about 500 words a minute) other alternatives.
Here you have the contrast. The Catholics would pray and rely on God and the spiritual powers to defeat the Enemy. A rather silent witness focused more on trusting God to act. The Protestants would seem to rely more on themselves, on their own words and actions. They didn’t pray too often while they were at the clinic - they would just wait until the women got out of the vehicles and then gave their schpiel.
Oh, one interesting anecdote. One of the guys once said to one of the women, “There is one mediator between God and Man, the man Jesus Christ, who intercedes for us”. Apparently, he wasn’t really addressing the woman but was taking a shot at us for praying the rosary. After this, I saw one of the seminarians lean over and say something to him. I asked him what he said after, and he said, “I asked him if he would pray for me. He said 'Yes”. I said, ‘Thanks for mediating for me’". There was another seminarian there who would always approach him and whip out the apologetics on him, but he eventually left the seminary.
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Michael_Saint
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Valke2, let me ask you: why do the Jewish people find such a comparison offensive or inaccurate? I have heard this argument from Jewish people before, but I never heard an explanation of why.
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Danny_OC
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Praying is good… but so is acting. I congratulate those brave 2 or 3 protestants you speak of! (and you, for being there)
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HM8404
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I used to work at my church during the festival in the summer. There was a woman who frequents my church that seemed like she had something wrong with her upstairs, she would say some outlandish things but we would talk to her because she wasn’t troublesome. She’d talk to us about God, ask what we were doing, whatever, then go to Mass and you wouldn’t see her until the next day.
We all wondered what the story was, I felt there was something traumatic in her life and I’d argue with my co-workers a lot because they would joke about it and mental health is a sensitive topic for me 'cause my Grandpa has Alzheimer’s, so I’d defend her constantly.
One day she asked me if she could light a candle even though she had no money, it’s a $3.00 donation to light one, luckily, I had ones so I payed for it and told her to pick the one she likes, there’s like hundreds of them in there. She told me who she was lighting it for, I can’t remember the name but it was a male’s name so I asked, “Oh, is that your husband?” she said, “No, my son, I had an abortion 20 years ago.” then she stared off for a few seconds, lit her candle and left.
My co-workers stopped joking after that, too. I feel so bad for the woman but she seems like she found peace though.
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Danny_OC
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By the way… how do I find these groups that protest in front of the clinics? I feel I should do this if it has any chance of preventing an abortion, but I’d rather not go alone, at least my first time.
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FlatAffect
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For those who are criticizing and judging the yelling men, how would you feel if it were a different sin about to be committed? Say your husband is walking out the door to his mistress and you know it–are you going to not yell at him? No adultery probably isn’t on par with abortion, but it is not like you are going to feed him honey on his way out the door. Say a man is about to commit rape, how exactly would you rationalize with him to stop him from sinning? Treat him with love and compassion and give him other options to make him turn away from his sin?
When you are seeing someone on the way to committing sin, it is appropriate to try and stop them. It is not judging, no one dragged her out of the abortion clinic after the abortion and screamed and yelled at her. They were yelling at her to prevent sin–before it took place.
When you are seeing someone on the way to committing sin, it is appropriate to try and stop them. It is not judging, no one dragged her out of the abortion clinic after the abortion and screamed and yelled at her. They were yelling at her to prevent sin–before it took place.
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cclanofirish
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There are slight distinctions that are important for rendering judgement on the mens action at the abortion clinic. You state “how would you feel if it were a different sin about to be committed? Say your husband is walking out the door to his mistress and you know it–are you going to not yell at him?”. The important element of this example is that you personally know the individual that you are yelling at, who is about to commit a sin. That is far different than approaching a stranger, and yelling at them when they commit a sin. It is far more effective, I have found, to approach individuals and try to gently lead them away from sin, instead of engaging in abrasive and hostile actions, especially if you do not know the individual, and thus have not previously established any rapport with them.
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DebChris
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The simple understated approach often is the most effective, especially when stated with quiet authority.
Every post so far on this thread has focused on the woman. I am reminded of the woman caught in adultery. Are we to cast stones?
Nothing has been said about the person who actually performs the aborticide.
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porriwiggle
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toolan.com/24hr-rosary
Danny I don’t know where you are, but I would recommend you go to Fr. Norman Weslin’s website, lambsofchrist.net If you contact them they will tell you where to go in your area.
Fr. Weslin has spent many hours praying and counselling outside abortion mills in Omaha, and he would know most of the other organisations. If you are not in the US. PM me and I will try and find somewhere near where you are.
I think that any attempt to save the life of a child is worthwhile, and whilst these men you talk about were perhaps being a bit aggressive, I can assure you that seeing queues of women going into an abortion mill to kill their babies is a very disturbing thing, and at least they were prepared to try and help.
If I had the misfortune to life near to one of the killing centres, I would put a large notice in my window saying “alternatives to abortion are obtainable here.”
I would also like to suggest that anyone interested in praying the rosary to save the children go to toolan.com/24hr-rosary
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