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This is off topic, but where are y’all at that Mass is only an hour? My Mass is AT LEAST close to two hours (more like 2 and a half hours). Grr. It takes me 3 hours to get to and from Mass (yay for buses on Sunday which run once every hour, even a church in town requires at least 2 transfers), so I spend 5 hours on Sunday with Church stuff, where I feel very uncomfortable (when I should be enjoying my day away from angry customers).
So, are those angry customers on the bus and following you into the church? :confused:

The masses I attend are always about one hour long. It seems that priests hurry along through parts. I would love to find a longer mass. Is the longer mass more meaningful? Is there more time for silent prayer? That would be cool.

P.S. Welcome back CS. How was your trip?
 
So, are those angry customers on the bus and following you into the church? :confused:

The masses I attend are always about one hour long. It seems that priests hurry along through parts. I would love to find a longer mass. Is the longer mass more meaningful? Is there more time for silent prayer? That would be cool.

P.S. Welcome back CS. How was your trip?
The customers don’t follow me, but Sunday is my day of peace (and Mass isn’t very peaceful for me here). The longer Mass is just an opportunity for the priests to ask for more money. And I tend to zone out at Mass about 10 minutes in, so longer doesn’t equal better. I like daily Masses, 20 minutes= DONE. 😃

My trip was wonderful, we actually had a surprise trip to the Vatican (where I had the ultimate feeling of inadequacy). I was looking over my shoulder just waiting for one of the guards to say “Ma’am, we need you to leave”. My boyfriend was teasing me because everytime we went to Mass, I would get all nervous.
 
Country Singer, those feelings are not of the Lord. He would never want you to feel that way about yourself. He is our victory over those feelings.

By the way, I would love to find a 2 hour long mass, give me more!
 
I was raised in a family of practicing Catholics, but I did lose my faith completely for about a year and a half. That probably doesn’t mean much to you but it has certainly colored my thinking- especially my view of truth. Truth is not subjective- relativism is a freaking disease that is rotting this world away from the inside out. Our “feelings” are NOT the ultimate arbiter of right and wrong- the devil himself wants you to think that! If I still lived my life according to what feels right, everything I did would fly in the face of our blessed Lord.
“if he wants better he’ll have to lighten my load a bit”

This is very dangerous thinking, straight from the devil himself in my opinion. The Lord doesn’t promise anyone a light load- He promises each of us a cross! He died for YOU, how can anyone expect a light load? As impossible as it seems, we need to serve Him joyfully, despite our crosses!
Very well put, kib!👍

This part is for Sierrah and also CountrySinger:

I have known people who ran the Commandments of God through the filter of their feelings first and they often lost their faith. I was usually the other way around, because I wanted to live the Commandments but I had feelings of fear that I wouldn’t do it right; I was blessed with an excellent confessor who helped me discover the loving and merciful (not to be equated with “permissive”) aspect of God. Then I could handle the justice part. It is hard to balance and understand all this without a good spiritual director’s help. There is a Christian Resignation / Surrender group on this site which may help explain some of those concepts.

CountrySinger, to you specifically – I’m glad you explained what difficulties you face in the routine of your Sundays. I live in a mid-sized city and am only a mile or so from my parish and have a car, plus I usually have with me a wonderful friend, 87 years young and a saint on Earth. Many of us could learn a lot from her.

But back to the difficulties – that would be a great sacrifice. Is there any way you could view it as a gift to God rather than a burdensome “have-to” that causes you to feel resentment?

As for those customers, well – I have worked retail myself, which is Purgatory on Earth sometimes! :eek: Not only the customers but the management and the co-workers. It IS difficult not to want to smack them at times:mad: and since that’s not kosher then the frustration builds up inside us and spills over into other areas of our lives. Could it be that to you in the current stressful life circumstances, God Himself seems like another pain-in-the-butt customer tugging on your sleeve demanding more of you when you feel already drained? :juggle:

Ok, one last point – this is a toughie I know – but I’m not saying it not having tried it for myself – we are called to pray for our enemies – can you try to pray for those customers and other people who make your life stressful?:newidea: It can bring peace. I know. It has happened for me and for many people.

Seems a common theme on this thread is having to cope with stress while feeling lonely – so let’s stick together and keep praying for one another!:grouphug:
 
Lord God, be our victory over these feelings. Bind these demons that persecute us, the demons of doubt, despair, mistrust, lies, and all other evil spirits that tempt and torment us. I ask this in the name of our most beautiful savior, Jesus Christ.
 
I forget one thing. If you are single it is normally because your standards are too high.
I’m single because my husband passed away 9 years ago, my fiance passed away last year, and I just plain and simple don’t like anyone else.

Miz
 
I’m single because my husband passed away 9 years ago, my fiance passed away last year, and I just plain and simple don’t like anyone else.

Miz
I’m so sorry, Miserys Fence. I will pray for you. God bless you.
 
I agree with the posters who say church is not a singles club.

I go to Mass, sit still and shut up and pray. I keep my eyes either on the priest or closed in prayer. I politely shake hands with my neighbors at the Sign of Peace. Then I leave, stopping only to shake Father’s hand and say hello, then go to my car without saying a word to anyone.

I’m just not a social creature. 🤷 I don’t think my parish has any activites or groups especially for singles, but no one treats me rudely, because I don’t interact with anyone. And since I don’t interact with anyone, I have no idea if anyone else is single, or how they feel about what our parish has to offer.

Miz
 
CountrySinger, to you specifically – I’m glad you explained what difficulties you face in the routine of your Sundays. I live in a mid-sized city and am only a mile or so from my parish and have a car, plus I usually have with me a wonderful friend, 87 years young and a saint on Earth. Many of us could learn a lot from her.

But back to the difficulties – that would be a great sacrifice. Is there any way you could view it as a gift to God rather than a burdensome “have-to” that causes you to feel resentment?

As for those customers, well – I have worked retail myself, which is Purgatory on Earth sometimes! :eek: Not only the customers but the management and the co-workers. It IS difficult not to want to smack them at times:mad: and since that’s not kosher then the frustration builds up inside us and spills over into other areas of our lives. Could it be that to you in the current stressful life circumstances, God Himself seems like another pain-in-the-butt customer tugging on your sleeve demanding more of you when you feel already drained? :juggle:

Ok, one last point – this is a toughie I know – but I’m not saying it not having tried it for myself – we are called to pray for our enemies – can you try to pray for those customers and other people who make your life stressful?:newidea: It can bring peace. I know. It has happened for me and for many people.

Seems a common theme on this thread is having to cope with stress while feeling lonely – so let’s stick together and keep praying for one another!:grouphug:
I have no desire to spend half my day traveling to Mass, I have so many other things that I have to do, I can’t justify it. My job in a call center is very draining (today I had someone threaten to kill me over $15, and most days, I’m in tears during the day), so when I’m off work, I do what I want. That is the only way I can stay somewhat positive. I am looking for another job (hopefully that lets me use my Bachelor’s degree). When that happens, I might be able to handle Mass and its demands. Plus I like to sleep in past 5 am on the weekends, that is when I catch up. So getting up early on the weekends leads me to exhaustion.

My customers are evil, can we pray for Satan’s spawn? Or are they beyond help? Like my mom said “forget killing them with kindness, I just want to kill them”.
 
Believe me, I would rather do ANYTHING else. If I wanted to sit, feel unworthy, uncomfortable, and out of place, I would go back to high school. 😛
😃 LOL

I have always had a “place” at Mass through my involvement with music. But I can certainly see how a single person who is sitting alone in the pews could feel isolated and perhaps excluded. I live in a college town, so maybe the university influence helps to make the climate a bit more inclusive toward singles when it comes to homilies and church activities. But when it comes to the women’s groups, I avoid those like the plague. We have a women’s retreat coming up and they talked to me about helping with the music, but when I reviewed the agenda for the day, I realized that it was totally irrelevant to my life. It was all about marriage and motherhood, and balancing work outside the home with family life. :rolleyes: Let’s see… no marriage, no motherhood (except for the cats), family involvement is limited to a bit of elder-care, and the work I had outside the home dried up last year and I lost my “real” job. I think I’ll pass. Let’s ask that nice lady with the 11 kids who teaches piano lessons in her living room to play instead. 😛

But all in all, I really enjoy my single life, and I try to serve as a role model for others who are single and who are struggling with this.
 
I can relate to a lot of what’s been said in this thread. I’m a 28 yr old single male who has definitely struggled with accepting being single. Finding someone is hard enough, throw in a good dash of social anxiety, and a healthy pinch of “I have no clue what to do besides small talk” and now you have yourself quite a situation. 😉

I do feel kind of awkward and isolated at church, but then again I feel that way almost anywhere I go. I can trace back as far as third grade and having this “fish out of water” feeling. Aside from my moderate to extreme (totally dependent on energy/current emotional health) social anxiety, I’m a very introverted person. I have zero friends (outside work acquaintances and family). Part if me feels very lonely and inadequate, the other part of me is fine with it.

On the weekends I’m happy going to church in the morning and spending the rest of the day at home. I crave solitude. Part of me thinks I’m being selfish…which I think is partially true…because then I’m free to do what I want, when I want. The other part of me thinks I’m just an oddball who really, really likes solitude. I really don’t know…

What I do know is that I’m learning to accept my life’s state. When I look back at the last decade of my life…it’s been an adventure to say the least. I don’t deserve to be where I belong, by all means I should be dead (I survived 4 suicide attempts). I’ve done nothing, absolutely nothing to have received the abundant blessings God has given me. It’s been a gift entirely on His part. This loneliness, this feeling of inadequacy cannot be filled by the love of a woman. To say that it would is foolish…no matter what my mind says! The only one that can totally and completely fulfill me and make me truly happy is God. I know this…I’m just having a hard time convincing my heart.

I’m slowly giving my life over to God. Remember…by all means I should be dead…this isn’t my life…it’s His. He kept me around for a reason. I don’t remember the chapter or verse, but I believe St. Paul said something along the lines of “single people are occupied with the things of God.” At this stage in my life, I’m happy being occupied with the things of God. No, it’s not easy. I notice that when I’m feeling depressed the feelings of loneliness and inadequacy are almost unbearable. That’s when I rely on Him the most. If it is His will that someday I meet a woman and get married so be it, if not so be it. I don’t want to get married if it’s not in His plan. Believe me, it took me a long time to be able to say that. I’ve cried telling God that…that’s how much it hurt. But I have it set in my head, that I don’t want anything in my life if it’s not in His plan. That’s why I go over everything in my life, everything with God.

I have fallen into the trap molding God into an image of what I thought He was. I still make that mistake on occasion…it’s a rather easy one to make unfortunately. The best way to learn about Him is read the bible! Go to mass as much as possible (we’re so blessed to have daily masses available aren’t we?), listen to podcasts explaining scripture, pray the liturgy of the hours. Ask Him for the grace to better know Him. By the way first reading from today’s readings is very telling about God. If you’re struggling to see God as a Father, as a comforter, read Hosea 11:1-4, 8-9.
 
OK-I’ll try not to vent…😃

I just came back from a July 4th weekend trip, visiting a convent of traditional Sisters. Their ceremonies of clothing of novices and profession of vows were beautiful-it was my fourth year in a row being at them.

But at times I did feel alone, because the families of the Sisters visit during this time, and there are also priests and seminarians of a traditional seminary down the road from them who have blood ties with the Sisters. And since I had no blood relatives among them, I kind of wandered around, slipping into conversations with various people along the way.

It’s hard being single in a couples/families world. I feel like an oddball because I never married, never had kids. I’m unable to be in religious life due to my age [mid-fifties], my lack of health, and my mountain of debts.

I spend most of my time alone-I live alone, eat alone, sleep alone, go to church alone. What few friends I have, they’re almost all married, and I don’t want to be the proverbial ‘fifth wheel’. I think I’m the only unmarried member of the TLM chapel I go to-everyone else is married. But I don’t go to Mass to ‘people-watch’, as someone in this thread stated…I go to Mass to concentrate on Our Lord!

I try to stay ‘under the radar’ and live my quiet, humdrum, drab and hidden life. It’s always been that way for me, ever since I can remember…I’m better off being alone.

Believe me-I’ve been through talks on marriage and sat through enough ‘World Marriage Day’ Masses sitting in a pew alone to know! :rolleyes: :mad:

Carrie-I can understand your avoiding womens’ groups ‘like the plague’. Seems there is going to be a womens’ conference in my diocese later this fall. I saw the list of speakers-and guess what? It’s all about MARRIAGE! Phooey…:rolleyes:…won’t go to anything like that, if that’s what the focus is about! :mad:
 
OK-I’ll try not to vent…😃

…It’s hard being single in a couples/families world. I feel like an oddball because I never married, never had kids. I’m unable to be in religious life due to my age [mid-fifties], my lack of health, and my mountain of debts.

I spend most of my time alone-I live alone, eat alone, sleep alone, go to church alone. What few friends I have, they’re almost all married, and I don’t want to be the proverbial ‘fifth wheel’…

I try to stay ‘under the radar’ and live my quiet, humdrum, drab and hidden life. It’s always been that way for me, ever since I can remember…I’m better off being alone.

Believe me-I’ve been through talks on marriage and sat through enough ‘World Marriage Day’ Masses sitting in a pew alone to know! :rolleyes: :mad:…
A quiet and hidden life is not the same as a “humdrum” or “drab” life…unless you mean that your debts are holding you down. The truth is, life-long singles are some of the most interesting people I know.

You’re describing the life of many a widow. My mother-in-law has been a widow for over 20 years, and she and her friends do not sit around and talk about their dead (or ex) husbands. I do not know of a one of them who wishes she were married. Some have children around to socialize with, but many do not. They support each other, they volunteer their time generously, and they have a great time together. The world is full of non-profits that would fall apart, save for the unmarried people like them.

My mother-in-law was told this story, about why she decided not to accept any offers for “dates” after her husband died. She said a friend of hers had gotten such an invitation, some time after her own husband had died. The friend said, “I looked around my house and thought, ‘After years of doing whatever my sons needed, whatever my husband needed, having to take into account what everybody else wanted, I finally had a life and a home that was just the way I wanted it. Marry again, now? Why would I want to do that? My life is full. Who needs it?’”

Indeed. You all know this passage:
Now in regard to the matters about which you wrote: “It is a good thing for a man not to touch a woman,” but because of cases of immorality every man should have his own wife, and every woman her own husband… Indeed, I wish everyone to be as I am, but each has a particular gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. Now to the unmarried and to widows, I say: it is a good thing for them to remain as they are, as I do, but if they cannot exercise self-control they should marry, for it is better to marry than to be on fire…
I should like you to be free of anxieties. An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord. But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and he is divided. An unmarried woman or a virgin is anxious about the things of the Lord, so that she may be holy in both body and spirit. A married woman, on the other hand, is anxious about the things of the world, how she may please her husband…
I am telling you this for your own benefit, not to impose a restraint upon you, but for the sake of propriety and adherence to the Lord without distraction…1 Cor. 7:1-4,7-9, 32-35
And St. Paul continues on in the same vein, but I think we know the passage.

I tell you, I love my husband and I love my children, but if my husband dies before I do, I’ll not be looking for a replacement for him. You have a freedom that many women at those conferences today will freely choose tomorrow, when it is their turn to do so. I certainly won’t be wasting my time with those who have to have to be half of a couple before they’re happy. If my sons both become priests or singles, and I get no grandchildren: well, the world is not short of children who need someone with the time to spend with them.

All these people in your parishes, getting advice on how to be married and raise with children, get that because they have cares that you are free of. To be bitter about that is, if you want to look at it that way, like being bitter because people with a limp get all that time with a physical therapist, while you, the one without that problem, get nothing. Are we who are married in a worse state of life? No, it is our gift. It is less free, though.

To continue the analogy: Yes, if you are free, you might be happier and serve the Lord better in a parish full of athletes, rather than a parish full of people whose state in life absorbs them in the things of this world, who have to constantly get advice on living with that handicap. Of course you get bored hearing about how to manage getting through life with their trials. Don’t judge them on that account. That isn’t your concern. But don’t covet what they have or feel bitter about how their trials consume them, either. Be thankful for what you have: St. Paul’s freedom to follow the Lord. Your gift is not less of a gift because some of them don’t appreciate it.

Even if you marry later in life, your freedom to structure your whole life around the Lord without distraction is the gift you have today. It is not sour grapes to be thankful for it, and to live accordingly. Besides, if you take the trouble to live around single people whose life revolves around God, then if the day comes for you to marry, it will likely be to someone who will help with that, rather than distract from it.

If you are not on fire to marry, though, I wouldn’t go looking for an antidote for it. The freedom of being unmarried is a gift, not a disease. If your parish doesn’t have that attitude, no matter how many married couples are in it, look for another one. There are parishes with straight priorities, even ones with lots of married people.
 
I think we’re trying to say that stressful situations can take us out of those very things that will keep our health up in the long run: exercise, good nutrition…and prayer and the sacraments. In the short term, it seems to take the load off, but in the long term it makes us less well-able to deal with what life dishes up.

People are different, but the vast majority have substantially similar needs. What differs is how those needs are best met. If, for example, you were constantly getting injuries from your exercise program, and got relief when you didn’t exercise, the answer might be that this form of exercise isn’t for you, but it would not be that exercise isn’t for you. The answer would be that something in your training program needs serious adjustment. Your program of prayer would seem to need that.

If your participation in the life of the Church is only an obligation and a duty–let alone a stress that you take on for the sake of serving God!–and not a source of consolationa and nourishment, that is a red flag in itself. Your time spent each week with the Body of Christ is meant to be mutually beneficial. If it isn’t, just waiting for your stress level to drop isn’t the answer. The reason that going to Mass isn’t a capstone in your support system, rather than part of the load, is something that bears looking into. It isn’t supposed to be like that.

If the roof leaks in this storm, don’t just wait for the rain to stop. Recognize that the roof is not providing you the shelter it is meant to, and get it fixed, before the Big Storm hits.

Yes, sometimes you are not going to feel like going to Mass, just as we don’t always feel like doing our workouts. Perseverence is required. Nevertheless, a pattern of poor results indicates that the program needs adjustment. A parish in which single people feel excluded and treated as if they were invisible or as second-class citizens is not the norm of Catholic life! You may well have that, but that is not the norm. Seriously look into that, either by organizing something for singles, so others like you can find a happy quorum in your parish, or by changing parishes, but do not start thinking that Mass is an option, rather than the irreplaceable answer to a constant spiritual need. That’s all I think we’re saying.
I was raised that Mass was a requirement by my parents. I was never asked did I want to be Catholic I was given a major guilt trip about missing mass and resented it all fiercely as a child. It was years before I could go to church without feeling that resentment. Now I don’t mind mass but the emptiness the goes along with it is what I have trouble with. At other churches I’ve been too the congregation embraces each other and actually stands by each other with support. Catholics get no support unless they are married, divorced or elderly.
 
A quiet and hidden life is not the same as a “humdrum” or “drab” life…unless you mean that your debts are holding you down. The truth is, life-long singles are some of the most interesting people I know.

You’re describing the life of many a widow. My mother-in-law has been a widow for over 20 years, and she and her friends do not sit around and talk about their dead (or ex) husbands. I do not know of a one of them who wishes she were married. Some have children around to socialize with, but many do not. They support each other, they volunteer their time generously, and they have a great time together. The world is full of non-profits that would fall apart, save for the unmarried people like them.

My mother-in-law was told this story, about why she decided not to accept any offers for “dates” after her husband died. She said a friend of hers had gotten such an invitation, some time after her own husband had died. The friend said, “I looked around my house and thought, ‘After years of doing whatever my sons needed, whatever my husband needed, having to take into account what everybody else wanted, I finally had a life and a home that was just the way I wanted it. Marry again, now? Why would I want to do that? My life is full. Who needs it?’”

Indeed. You all know this passage:

And St. Paul continues on in the same vein, but I think we know the passage.

I tell you, I love my husband and I love my children, but if my husband dies before I do, I’ll not be looking for a replacement for him. You have a freedom that many women at those conferences today will freely choose tomorrow, when it is their turn to do so. I certainly won’t be wasting my time with those who have to have to be half of a couple before they’re happy. If my sons both become priests or singles, and I get no grandchildren: well, the world is not short of children who need someone with the time to spend with them.

All these people in your parishes, getting advice on how to be married and raise with children, get that because they have cares that you are free of. To be bitter about that is, if you want to look at it that way, like being bitter because people with a limp get all that time with a physical therapist, while you, the one without that problem, get nothing. Are we who are married in a worse state of life? No, it is our gift. It is less free, though.

To continue the analogy: Yes, if you are free, you might be happier and serve the Lord better in a parish full of athletes, rather than a parish full of people whose state in life absorbs them in the things of this world, who have to constantly get advice on living with that handicap. Of course you get bored hearing about how to manage getting through life with their trials. Don’t judge them on that account. That isn’t your concern. But don’t covet what they have or feel bitter about how their trials consume them, either. Be thankful for what you have: St. Paul’s freedom to follow the Lord. Your gift is not less of a gift because some of them don’t appreciate it.

Even if you marry later in life, your freedom to structure your whole life around the Lord without distraction is the gift you have today. It is not sour grapes to be thankful for it, and to live accordingly. Besides, if you take the trouble to live around single people whose life revolves around God, then if the day comes for you to marry, it will likely be to someone who will help with that, rather than distract from it.

If you are not on fire to marry, though, I wouldn’t go looking for an antidote for it. The freedom of being unmarried is a gift, not a disease. If your parish doesn’t have that attitude, no matter how many married couples are in it, look for another one. There are parishes with straight priorities, even ones with lots of married people.
I am curiously waiting for CountrySinger’s response to this. I can second-guess her response to such passages from St. Paul.
 
I was raised that Mass was a requirement by my parents. I was never asked did I want to be Catholic I was given a major guilt trip about missing mass and resented it all fiercely as a child. It was years before I could go to church without feeling that resentment. Now I don’t mind mass but the emptiness the goes along with it is what I have trouble with. At other churches I’ve been too the congregation embraces each other and actually stands by each other with support. Catholics get no support unless they are married, divorced or elderly.
Spinach is good for you, and so is Mass, but there are parents and parishes who give the gift of the Mass all the attractiveness of over-cooked canned spinach. With both the Mass and the spinach, that treatment adds insult to the injury by taking out most of the nourishment. It isn’t that your parents were wrong to teach you that you needed Mass, it is just that it was predictable that the way that they went about it will very often have the result that you had to go through. It is almost a miracle when someone gets through that with any stomach at all for the good thing they’ve experienced badly for a lifetime.

I’m sorry you had to go through it. There are Protestants who were inflicted with similar religious upbringings by well-meaning parents…not that that helps. I’m glad you’re still hanging in there as well as you are, though.

Again, it requires finding the right parish. Parishes with active and supportive single adult groups–as opposed to young adult and youth groups–do exist. I’m in a parish like that now, and I’ve been in others. (I’ve even heard one with the name, “Not Married But Not Dead” or something similar, which I assume was started by someone in similar conditions to what has been bemoaned here!)

Again, I’m not saying you’re wrong to not want empty experiences at Mass again. I’m saying there are better conditions out there.
 
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