Bible

[YAQUBOS]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

We continue by His Grace.

1. Does it have the power of God?
   Why this question? Because God says that His Word has the Divine transforming power in the lives of its readers!

“For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.” ( Hebrews 4:12 ).

1. Was it accepted by the People of God?
   Why this question? Because:

“For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.” ( 1 Thessalonians 2:13 )

The People of God means the REAL People of God, and not simply a faction of those who call themselves People of God!!!

• The scrolls of Moses were immediately placed in the ark of the covenant ( Deuteronomy 31:24-26 )
• The same for Joshua ( Joshua 24:26 )
• The same for Samuel ( 1 Samuel 10:25 )
• Daniel studies the Book of Jeremiah within FIFTY years after it was written! This shows that Jeremiah’s Book was accepted by the People of God as Scripture! ( Daniel 9:2 )
• Peter calls Paul’s writings as Scripture ( 2 Peter 3:16 )
• Paul’s Letters were circulated among the churches ( Colossians 4:16, 1 Thessalonians 5:27 )

So these are the five questions according to which the children of God declared as Word of God those Books that God revealed as Scripture!

Consider them with the filial fear of the Lord…

Here is the challenge: bring any writing or words that can meet this DIVINE CANON, and we will declare it as Word of God!!! But if you have in your hands books that YOU consider as Word of God, although they do NOT meet the DIVINE CANON, so you are in disobedience to God.

In Love,

Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

Now let’s compare some human writings that many HUMANS consider as divine to the previous questions of the DIVINE CANON!

I will take the example of the human writings written between the third century B.C. and the first century A.D. These books are called by some as Deuterocanonical and by others as Apocrypha. These books were never accepted by the Jews as Scripture and are not included in the Hebrew Bible! And the sad thing is that those who accept them, accept them as a part of that Old Testament!!! They want to accept them, although the People of God in the Old Testament do NOT accept them!!!

Those churches that have accepted these writings as Bible ( yet, they didn’t accept them OFFICIALLY ), they accepted them in the fourth, sixteenth, and seventeenth centuries, it means long after they were written! And they didn’t have the right to declare them as Word of God, because they are part of the Old Testament!

Augustine ( a Latin Church Father ) accepted them in the fourth or fifth century A.D., and he didn’t even accept them as canonical, but as having a secondary status to the rest of the Old Testament! By the way, Augustine is a human, and he can make mistakes!

Other Fathers of the Church were against the canonicity of those books, like:

• Jerome: this is the Hebrew scholar who made the official Latin Vulgate version of the Old Testament, and he DIDN’T add those human writings, because he didn’t believe they are Scripture! But the HUMAN authorities of his church ordered their adding to the version! And you know what it means to oppose those authorities…
• Athanasius: one of the most important Fathers of the Church. He is the most known Father in the matter of the Arian controversy! He didn’t accept those human writings as Divine!

When was the FIRST time when those books were officially added to the Bible of a certain Church ( and NOT the WholeHolyChurch of God! ) ?
It is in 1546 A.D.! It was added by the Roman Catholic Church at the Council of Trent! And this is suspect! Why? Because the Council of Trent came as a reaction to the Reformation of Martin Luther ( 1517 ). Martin Luther called for some biblical support for human wrong beliefs like salvation by works and prayer for the dead! And as the canonical Scripture doesn’t contain such vanities, so the reaction of the Roman Catholic Church was to add those human writings in support to their human teachings! And as they considered those writings as Scripture, they supposed that the Reformation must accept those human teachings, because their added books talk about them!
Oh, but if you know how those books talk about them!!! About prayer for the dead, 2 Maccabees 12:45-46 !!! This is an example of humans praying for PAGANS who used to worship idols, so that they may have good resurrection!!! Oh! Do you believe that we can pray for a pagan who died without believing in God, so that he may have eternal life??? Don’t you believe what the Bible says that TODAY is the Day of Salvation??? As for the salvation by works, we read it in Tobit 12:9 ( and many other passages of those wrong human writings )! They say you can have salvation by your money!!!

None of those human writings claims to be inspired. Indeed, some of them even deny that they are inspired, because they are not written by a prophet of God!

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” ( 1 Maccabees 9:27 )

So these words were not written by a prophet…

And remember! The first question of the DIVINE CANON was: “Was it written by a prophet of God?”…

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,

Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

Let’s thank the Lord for all His gifts. We continue by His Grace.

So we see that those wrong human teachings that Romans accept as Scripture do not meet those five questions asked by the Holy Church of Christ. Let’s see each question:

1. Were they written by a prophet of God?
   No, they are not written by a prophet of God, as we read in those books themselves!

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” ( 1 Maccabees 9:27 )

If the prophets ceased to appear in Israel long before these lines were written, then who wrote these lines??? Of course, NOT a prophet of God!

1. Was that prophet who wrote them confirmed by an act of God?
   As we saw in 1 Maccabees 9:27 ( one of those false human teachings ), prophets ceased in Israel since a long time! So those books say they are not written by a prophet! So why do we have to search for miracles confirming them??!! They clearly say they are NOT prophets! So we don’t need to test them if they are prophets or not.
2. Does it tell the truth about God?
   As we saw in Tobit 12:9, and 2 Maccabees 12:45-46, these books not only do not give us the truth of God, but they also give us many imaginary things… Just read “Bel and the Dragon” and you will see…
3. Does it have the power of God?
   No! It even says that it is not sure that it has a strong human power… Just read the following conclusion of the human author of 2 Maccabees:

“So I too will here end my story.
If it is well told and to the point, that is what I myself desired; if it is poorly done and mediocre, that was the best I could do.”

1. Was it accepted by the People of God?
   No! And we saw this in the previous paragraphs. Although some of the Fathers and some of the churches accepted them ( and we saw why and how… ), but many others didn’t!

And as those writings are supposed to belong to the era of the Old Testament, we must see if the Jews accepted them as Scripture… And we see that they didn’t! And our Lord Jesus Christ didn’t even say a word to them about this!

So according to which canon do you receive those human writings as divine? Do you accept them just because your church teaches you that? Or maybe Rome is God ( God forbid!! ) and has the right to create a new canon!

Listen to this very well: if we don’t deny all what is against the Will of God in our background, we will soon deny Christ practically…

This I wrote by His grace, and my only purpose is to tell everyone about that powerful Word of God that changes lives! I want His Glory, and JUST His Glory! Let all humans shut their mouths! “Listen and give heed, do not be haughty, For the LORD has spoken.” ( Jeremiah 13:15 ).

The CHALLENGE: bring any writings or words that meet the DIVINE CANON, and we will declare them as Word of God!!!

In Love,

Yaqubos†

 

[Church_Militant]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

The Lord says about humility:

“GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.” ( James 4:6 )

So if you want to get any grace, you have first to be humble and to accept the Word of God as It is, and not as you or your religious background want it to be…

Although I wrote by His Grace so many things, but there are still opposition about things that were already explained. As I told Psalm45:9, after he has made opposition to the DIVINE CANON, he will also make opposition to the explanation. And this is what he did, him and Church Militant…

We see more in the next reply, if the Lord permits.

In Love,

Yaqubos†

That’s kinda self-righteous isn’t it…

 

[Psalm45_9]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

Dear Psalm45:9, you are wasting your time with your unbelief.

No, that’s you.

YAQUBOS:

You are repeating the same things again and again.

No, you are repeating the same thing over and over again. I’m just answering the question.

YAQUBOS:

Don’t you see that I am not convinced by those vanities?

Don’t you see that I am not convinced by those vanities?

YAQUBOS:

So if you want to explain to me, you would not repeat the same things again and again like a child…

As should you.

YAQUBOS:

Read again what I wrote to you by His Grace about the DIVINE CANON in the posts # 242 - 247, and to which you said great AMENs:

Point one and two are irrelevent. They speak of the power of God. They tell the truth about God. And they were accepted by the real people of God, the Church.

 

[Psalm45_9]

• Were they written by a prophet of God?

Given that neither Esther nor 1 & 2 Chronicles did not say they were written by the prophet of God, then they do not belong in the Bible.

“I will again make instruction shine forth like the dawn, and I will make it shine afar; I will again pour out teaching like prophecy, and leave it to all future generations.” (Sirach 24:32-33)

• Was that prophet who wrote them confirmed by an act of God?

Given how Esther, 1 & 2 Chronicles, and Ruth never mentioned the author being confirmed by God, they do not belong in the Bible.

Given how the bible does not say that for a book to be divine inspired it must be written by a person whom God the Father speaks from, or while this person walks the Earth. Demonstrates that God the Holy Spirit can still work in the hearts of people to unknowingly write scripture. Thus making points one and two irrelevant.

• Does it tell the truth about God?

Given how the Wisdom of Solomon makes a prophecy to Christ’s crucifixion, 2 Maccabees preaches the truth of the resurrection, Tobit and Judith demonstrate how God comes to the aid of his faithful ones in mysterious ways; the deuterocanonicals do tell the truth about God.

• Does it have the power of God?

“Report to all men the majestic power of God.” (2 Maccabees 3:34)

Yes, they have the power of God.

• Was it accepted by the People of God*?*

The New Testament demonstrates how the Sadducees and the Pharisees disputed over the scriptures. Given that secular and Jewish sources say that the Scripture that the Palestinian Jews was not determined until the 2nd century AD and that they disputed over Ezekiel and Song of Songs at Jamnia circa 90AD, and that synagogues still used Sirach up until the 2nd century demonstrates that there was no official canon at the time of Christ.

Given how the Deuterocanonical books were found with the Dead Sea scrolls demonstrates that these books were indeed circulated throughout Israel at the time of Christ.

Given how the New Testament authors made allusions to the Deuterocanonicals and referenced apocryphal works demonstrates that the Apostles did not openly accept or reject the Deuterocanonicals and other works outside of the Pharisee’s unofficial canon. This is further demonstrated by how Church Fathers used them and were divided about their authenticity. If the Apostles openly objected these books, then the Fathers would not have used them at all.

Given how the council of Rome was called to end the dispute over the canon demonstrates the work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit at that council led the Bishops to determine that the Deuterocanonicals are indeed scripture. Given how every council that mentioned the canon from that point, reaffirmed the determined canon up to Trent, dispels the myth that that they were added at the Council of Trent.

Did the real people of God accept these books? Yes, as was guided by the Holy Spirit that leads us to all truth.

 

[Church_Militant]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

It’s clear that you didn’t read what I was saying to Psalm45:9. A prophet is not always someone who tells the future. Those who are inspired to write Scripture are also called prophets. And the Scripture says clearly that only a prophet ( inspired man of God ) can write the Word of God. Read the DIVINE CANON again in the posts # 242 – 247 in this thread.

In Love,

Yaqubos†

You make a great Pharisee…legalist out the goo ga.

I try NOT to read many of your posts because all you do is argue and berate and mess up the boards. You come off with some of the weirdest stuff I’'ve ever heard and most of it doesn’t even line up with what other non-Catholics tell me. You seem to think that you’re the sole source of correct Christian doctrine and I think you’re so full of baloney (apologies, as always, to the lunch meat.) that you’d put Oscar Meyer right outta business.

I (and many others here on this forum) think that you are misusing your place as a guest here and that you should rethink your presence.

NONE of us would EVER presume to go into a religious forum and post the sort of drivel that you have done here. If this is your idea of “Christian witnessing”, then I can assure you that you have not well represented your Lord to us. We are here to answer valid questions from people who may not understand what we believe. If they are drawn by the Holy Spirit to join us -fine. If not God love 'em too. You, on the other hand have just monopolized this thread (and others) and shown no respect at all for us as people or our most holy faith. I have absolutely NO respect for you, your biased scholarship, or what you seem to think evangelisation is.

Honest people want answers…not tirades of anti-Catholicism. I’ve asked people like you before. “Just why is it your preachers can’t seem to get up in their pulpits and preach what you believe without knocking someone else’s beliefs or ridiculing them?” Most hang their head because they have no good answer and they know I’m right. If the Gospel is true…then it needs no comparison to other’s beliefs. It certainly didn’t need or get much of that in the NT or in the early church…and it sure as life eternal doesn’t get it today, when preached from the pulpits of Catholic Churches all over the world.

So…in all charity and with all due respect…I’m recommending that no one else post anything on this thread to show that we really are sick of your antiCatholic tirades. You’ve abused your welcome sir.

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Oh, my dear Psalm45:9, you really don’t need to do all those conscience sacrifices to defend vain human philosophies… They do not deserve the cost.
Psalm45:9:

I’m sorry, your words weren’t so clear, if they were written by grace, they should have been.

Do you habitually say AMEN to something you don’t understand?…

By the way: maybe what I said was by the Grace of the Lord, but the reader didn’t read it by that Grace…

Is there anything more simple than a sentence like: The REAL Israel is the REAL People of God, and not all the Jews? I don’t see how you concluded from this that I was talking about the Pharisees!!!
Psalm45:9:

The Church is the real people of God.

And what about the REAL People of God in the Old Testament? Was it the Christian Church?

Was David a Christian? Didn’t he belong to the REAL People of God?

YAQUBOS:

Again, you prove to me that you are not reading carefully, or maybe you don’t want to believe God. Didn’t we say AMEN to the fact that GOD has determined the CANON with those five points that I mentioned by His Grace? Didn’t we say that it is not the unbelievers who determined the Canon?

Psalm45:9:

The first two points are irrelevant.

And yet, you said huge AMENs to those points of the DIVINE CANON!!! Were you kidding?

As I told you before, you don’t need to do so great sacrifices of conscience to defend vain human philosophy!

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Continuing by the Grace of the Lord.

YAQUBOS:

As we saw, those human writings that you call “Deuterocanonical” are NOT written by an inspired man of God, they are telling us things that CONTRADICT the Truth of the Word of God, they do NOT have the power of God, and they are not accepted by the REAL people of God according to the Old Testament!

Psalm45:9:

They were written by the Holy Spirit.

They do not contradict the truth, they tell the truth.

They have the power of God.

And they were accepted by the real people of God, the Church.

Interesting! You admit that they were not written by an inspired man of God, and yet you insist that they were written by the Holy Spirit!!! Don’t you know that, unlike the Muslims, we don’t believe in books descending from Heaven??? Don’t you know that the Word of God says clearly that the Holy Spirit speaks His Word THROUGH THE PROPHETS AND INSPIRED MEN OF GOD???

They do not contradict the truth??? Is it truth to pray for unbeliever dead so that they may have life eternal? Is it truth to earn salvation and Life by almsgiving???

They have the power of God??? And yet the author of Maccabees doesn’t know if he wrote well, and he says that is all he could do?

They are accepted by the REAL People of God, THE CHURCH??? Don’t you know that in the Old Testament, the REAL People of God were the believing Jews? Was David a Christian?

YAQUBOS:

Were those Books that the council determined ALREADY accepted by the People of God ( as ONE of those five points of the DIVINE CANON says )?

Psalm45:9:

Well, if they’re determining which writings belong in the canon, then that means there was no official canon before hand to determine those “five points”:

So you are saying that the Church decided which books are Word of God!!! A clear contradiction to your AMEN to the following:

* And when the Church declared which Books are Word of God, they had not a choice between thousands of books among which they had to pick out those that are the Word of God. They ALREADY knew what God had revealed as Word of God*, and they studied those inspired Books to find the rules ( Canon ) by which they could clearly show that all heretical and wrong books didn’t meet those rules or standards.

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,

Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Let’s continue by His Grace.
Psalm45:9:

(Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Bible 1963 ) “Even in the second century of the Christian era the Jewish rabbis were not fully agreed on the Canonicity of certain books (e.g. Cant, Eccl; cfr. Also 4, Esd 14,44ff).”

(The Encyclopedia of Judaism, vol 15 page 117)" says that the limit of the third part (Writings) was not finalized until mid of second century. In addition, the Hebrew Canon was also not accepted by Ethiopian Jews who accept Septuagint to this day "

(Dictionary of Biblical Literacy 1986. p.321)“Precisely when Jewish leadership officially adopted the traditional 39 books of the so-called “Hebrew Canon” is not known; nor is there agreement as to exactly what criteria were used in determining the Canon.”

Didn’t you say AMEN to the following:

YAQUBOS:

1. Was it accepted by the People of God?
   Why this question? Because:

“For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.” ( 1 Thessalonians 2:13 )

The People of God means the REAL People of God, and not simply a faction of those who call themselves People of God!!!

I AM TALKING ABOUT THE REAL PEOPLE OF GOD. What you quote from VAIN Encyclopedias and dictionaries are the point of view of UNBELIEVERS!!!

Jesus Christ didn’t come to Ethiopia… And in the time of the Lord, there were Books IN ISRAEL that were used as Scripture. IN ISRAEL, among Jews who ALL didn’t believe those human writings are Scripture, the Lord didn’t add any book and He didn’t blame them for adding any book. Jesus Christ has the authority! Not those Jews who wanted to doubt even after Jesus Christ came!!

I am talking about the REAL People of God, and not the unbelieving Jews who still doubted what the Canon is, even after the Lord came!

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

We continue in His LOVE.

YAQUBOS:

Aha! So you think the People of God didn’t know which books were part of the Word of God, thus contradicting one of the essential points of the DIVINE CANON to which you said AMEN.

Psalm45:9:

The Divine Canon at that time had yet to be determined, as secular and Jewish sources show. So there was no way to determine the “five points.” The Holy Spirit is what made the decision.

And thus you are inconsistent with your AMEN to the following:

And when the Church declared which Books are Word of God, they had not a choice between thousands of books among which they had to pick out those that are the Word of God. They ALREADY knew what God had revealed as Word of God, and they studied those inspired Books to find the rules ( Canon ) by which they could clearly show that all heretical and wrong books didn’t meet those rules or standards.

Be consistent! Did the Church ALREADY know what is Scripture? Did She study those inspired Books to find the rules ( Canon ) by which She could clearly show that all heretical and wrong books didn’t meet those rules???

Do you know that the Church declared the CANON just to prove the unbiblical wrong? Do you know that Her primary care was not to find out which Books belong in the Scripture, for She ALREADY knew that!!! She just had to declare it officially, because some have doubted?

Just like the case of the Nicene Creed!!! The whole Church ALREADY knew and believed that Jesus is Lord and Savior!!! She just had to DECLARE this officially against heresies and sects!!!
Psalm45:9:

History shows that they did not readily know which writings were scripture.

History and the writings of the Fathers show that they already knew what is Scripture, but SOME of them doubted! That’s why the Church needed to declare the DIVINE CANON officially!!!

YAQUBOS:

Those human writings that you call “Deuterocanonical” are part of the OLD TESTAMENT. The REAL People of God according to the Old Testament are the BELIEVER Jews. Those BELIEVER Jews ( like the Virgin Mary and Joseph etc ) didn’t accept those human writings as Scripture! And our Lord didn’t blame them for doing that!

Psalm45:9:

Where does the Bible say that they did not accept them as scripture? They also celebrated Hanukah.

Read again the five points of the DIVINE CANON, and you will see where the Scripture is saying that!

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

The Lord is good!

YAQUBOS:

When the Lord talked about the Books, He was talking about the Books accepted ACCORDING TO THE DIVINE CANON.

Psalm45:9:

The Sadducee’s, The Pharisee’s, The Samaritan’s, or The Alexandrian?

The Scriptural!! Those Books that are Scripture according to the DIVINE CANON!!! This means those Books that are written by an inspired man of God whom God has confirmed, that tell the truth about God, that have the power of God and that were accepted by the REAL PEOPLE OF GOD as WORD OF GOD. This REAL People is not the Sadducees, nor the Pharisees, nor the Samaritans, nor the Alexandrians!!!

The Sadducees didn’t accept the Prophets, while Jesus Christ talked about the Prophets as Scripture.

The Pharisees did accept the Books but without faith! So they were not believers! They didn’t believe Moses, although they read his Books!

Jesus Christ told the Samaritan woman that Salvation comes from the Jews.

The Alexandrians? Were they in Israel in the days of Jesus Christ???
Psalm45:9:

The Deuterocanonicals were in Israel at the time of Christ.

What were they doing there? Tourism???

By the way: some of those human writings were written AFTER Jesus Christ!! According to you, were they Old Testament or New Testament?
Psalm45:9:

I’m talking about the real people of God too, the church.

Well, while we talk about the OLD TESTAMENT, the REAL People of God in that Testament is the BELIEVING JEWS with their PROPHETS.
Psalm45:9:

The Divine canon that was yet to be determined by the real people of God.

Daniel studies the Book of Jeremiah considering it as Scripture! So, according to you, he was in error!! He had to wait until the Christian Church decides if it is Scripture!!!

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

What a GREAT Lord we have!!! Alleluia!!!
Psalm45:9:

The Old Testament determined the New Testament? The Gospel of Thomas claims to be authentic, the words of Thomas the Apostle who preached the Gospel. The Holy Spirit determined the Canon.

The Apostles and their companions were inspired men of God: 1st point of the DIVINE CANON respected!

God confirmed them with miracles and signs: 2nd point of the DIVINE CANON respected!

They tell the truth about God with perfect consistency with all previous revelation: 3rd point of the DIVINE CANON respected!

They have the power and authority of God, as experienced by all those who accepted them, and as the words of the INSPIRED authors show: 4th point of the DIVINE CANON respected!

The REAL People of God accepted those words as soon as they heard them, as Paul writes: 5th point of the DIVINE CANON respected!

But the so called “Gospel” of Thomas only claims to be authentic! But it was written after the time of the apostles, without any confirming act of God for its author. It tells many non-sense! It doesn’t have the power of God. The REAL People of God and the apostles didn’t accept it! No respect for the DIVINE CANON!!!
Psalm45:9:

That goes for the Wisdom of Solomon’s prophecy as well.

The Wisdom of Solomon was written AFTER the death of the last inspired prophet of the Old Testament. So it is not written by a prophet. And the worse is that the author of this book claims to be Solomon, while Solomon was dead very, very long time before this book was written!!! What a liar!!!
Psalm45:9:

We pray for the dead regardless of their sins, because we are not God, we do not know if these people repented at the last moment. As did Judas Maccabeus.

According to you, the Church knows what is Scripture and what is not, She binds and looses, She forgives sins and excommunicates, and yet She doesn’t know the hearts of those that She is binding and excommunicating… She doesn’t know if a dead is bound or loosed… She declares some people are “saints”, and yet She doesn’t know if they sinned in the last moment of their life!!!

What an hypocrisy!!!

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,

Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Continuing by the Lord’s Grace.

YAQUBOS:

Do you believe that someone can be saved WITHOUT Faith?

Psalm45:9:

That depends on the situation. If a Christian were to fall away into sin and leave the faith and die unrepentent in a state of mortal sin, then salvation is not possible. Since we are not God, we can not tell if a person repents or not at the final moment.

Now say there was a man living in the heart of Africa, he lived as good of a life as he could. He never heard the Gospel, so he could not tell if his lifestyle was right or wrong. If this man was really good at heart, then he can enter heaven, it is not his fault that the Gospel did not reach him.

Hey! Where did you go??? We are not talking about that! We were talking about dead people who, according to your philosophy, can still accomplish their Salvation. I asked you if they can be saved without faith. Answer the question. I mean, do you think the dead can still believe, although they see the Lord?

By the way: you build your philosophies on those human writings! So it is not strange if you find them consistent with those human writings! But they are NOT consistent with the Word of God.

YAQUBOS:

Read ONE of those human passages that tell you clearly that you can earn Salvation by money:

“almsgiving delivers from death, and it will purge away every sin. Those who perform deeds of charity and of righteousness will have fulness of life”

Psalm45:9:

Giving money to the poor is not buying your way to heaven.

As I don’t want now to discuss with you what is Heaven and what is the Kingdom of Heaven, so I just want to ask you: do you believe almsgiving can PURGE away EVERY sin?
Psalm45:9:

It does not say anywhere in the Book of Esther that it was written by a prophet.

If the Book of Esther didn’t meet the five points of DIVINE CANON, EVEN IF it claimed to be written by a prophet, we would not accept it as Word of God! Do you get this? Hope so…

The Qur’an claims to be written by God Himself!!! But it is NOT Scripture, because it doesn’t meet the DIVINE STANDARD.

The Book of Esther doesn’t need to claim being written by a prophet, but it needs to actually BE written by an inspired man of God. If it was not written by an inspired man of God, the People of God would not accept it in that time, nor would the prophets accept it. The REAL People of God in the time of Jesus Christ accepted it. Thus, Jesus Christ didn’t blame them of adding it or taking away. So Esther PERFECTLY meets the five points of the DIVINE CANON. As the People of God ( among whom is also the apostle Paul ) accepted this Book as Scripture, than it is CERTAINLY inspired by God, because Paul says all Scripture is inspired by God. Esther is perfectly consistent with the Word of God! So it tells the truth about God. Its author writes with authority and with the power of God. The power of God is clear in the pages of that Book!

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

The Lord gives us the Grace to continue.

YAQUBOS:

The Holy Spirit uses inspired men to write Scripture.

Psalm45:9:

Very true.

And yet:
Psalm45:9:

Just because a book was not written while there were not prophets roaming the Earth does not mean that Divine Inspiration ceased.

Decide, my friend… Which one? Is it necessary to have inspired men, or not?

YAQUBOS:

There were no inspired men in the times of those human writings.

Psalm45:9:

It does not, it said that God the Father was not speaking through people. It does not say anything about Divine Inspiration ceasing.

Where does it say that God the Father was not speaking through people?

And by the way: who deceived you saying that the Father may speak alone? The person who told you this seems to be ignorant about the fact that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE GOD, and when one of them speaks, they are all speaking! When GOD speaks, this is inspiration. And those human writings say clearly that they are not written by an inspired man of God.

YAQUBOS:

O yes, Jonah didn’t live in the days of those human writings… So this is a clear contradiction.

Psalm45:9:

Tobit lived in the Nineveh at the time of Jonah. He related the story himself.

Zero for history…

By the way: are you saying that Tobit wrote the book of Tobit which was written long after Jonah was dead and long after the last inspired prophet was dead???

YAQUBOS:

Well, this shows that:

1. You don’t know when the book of Tobit was written.

Psalm45:9:

Tradition said he wrote it himself. Whether he did or not, the story takes place during the time of the Prophet.

He wrote it himself??? Interesting! It seems that he lived more than four or six centuries… For 2 Kings says clearly when Jonah lived!!!

And although you see all this inconsistency, you still believe in that vain human tradition that is saying this…

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Continuing in the Love of the Lord.

YAQUBOS:

1. You don’t know when Jonah lived.
2. You don’t understand that the book of Tobit is clearly contradicting itself, because the destruction of Nineveh didn’t take place, because its people REPENTED, as the WORD OF GOD says.

Psalm45:9:

If someone who speaks for God told you your city was going to be destroyed, wouldn’t you leave, just like Lod?

If that “someone” is the prophet Jonah who told the people to repent OR ELSE destruction is coming, I would very simply obey the divine Commandment by repenting, not by leaving the city!!! Don’t I believe God who promised not to destroy the city if I repent???
Psalm45:9:

Yes and the Deuterocanonicals were written by the Holy Spirit. It does not say anywhere that a man that God the Father is speaking through is the only source of Divine Inspiration.

Do you believe in ONE God or three?

Do you believe that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit have ONE WORD? Do you believe They speak and act together?

YAQUBOS:

Don’t you believe Maccabees when it says that the prophets CEASED in Israel?

Psalm45:9:

Yes. I also believe it does not say anything about Divine Inspiration ceasing.

You also believe that God writes Scripture ONLY through inspired men who are inspired to write the revealed truth, not just to write ABOUT the revealed truth. And you believe the following:

YAQUBOS:

The Holy Spirit uses inspired men to write Scripture.

This is a statement to which you said: “Very true”!!!

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

We continue by the Grace of the Lord.
Psalm45:9:

It said nothing of the sort. It states that God the Father was not speaking through men. It does not say anything about Divine Inspiration ceasing.

Do you believe in ONE GOD?

YAQUBOS:

The Holy Spirit is working today, but you don’t have inspired men to write Scripture!

Psalm45:9:

Divine Revelation ceased with the death of the Last Apostle. At the time of the Maccabean revolt the Apostles had yet to be born.

As you think the Inspiration can continue even if the Father is not speaking through men ( wow! What a philosophy! ), so do you think that Inspiration ceased after the death of the last apostle?

And by the way: At the times of the Maccabees, Jesus Christ was yet to be born!!! There were no prophets in Israel since the last prophet who wrote, promising that God would visit His People again, and that He would send a messenger before Himself!

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

YAQUBOS:

*Peace be with you!

The Lord says about humility:

“GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.”* ( James 4:6 )

So if you want to get any grace, you have first to be humble and to accept the Word of God as It is, and not as you or your religious background want it to be.

Although I wrote by His Grace so many things, but there are still opposition about things that were already explained. As I told Psalm45:9, after he has made opposition to the DIVINE CANON, he will also make opposition to the explanation. And this is what he did, him and Church Militant.

We see more in the next reply, if the Lord permits.

In Love,

Yaqubos†

Church Militant:

That’s kinda self-righteous isn’t it…

Do you know what’s the meaning of “self-righteousness”, my friend?

Whatever… This is a natural reaction when the Spirit works in men’s hearts, and they don’t want to obey…

I guess you would say the same thing to James, and even to Jesus Christ, if you were in the place of those Pharisees to whom He was speaking…

When we don’t have answers, we begin to play on conscience and feelings… You are just trying to tell me I am sinning because I am standing for the Word of God…

Don’t take it personal, but Satan does the same things…

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!
Psalm45:9:

Don’t you see that I am not convinced by those vanities?

Here I can’t say anything. For judgment is not mine, but the Lord’s. If you are calling the DIVINE CANON that we read in the WORD OF GOD “vanities”, then I have nothing to say.

Point one and two are irrelevent. They speak of the power of God. They tell the truth about God. And they were accepted by the real people of God, the Church.

You said huge AMENs to ALL the five points of the DIVINE CANON, but now you say point one and two are irrelevant. Thus showing a huge inconsistency, like all those who don’t stand on the side of the divine truth.
The Scripture says CLEARLY that an inspired man of God writes the Word of God! And you say it’s irrelevant? The Word says that those prophets must be confirmed by an act of God, and you say it’s irrelevant? If you don’t believe the Word of God, what do you believe then???

Those human writings contradict the truth of the Word of God. They even contradict the historical and geographical truths. They may speak ABOUT the power of God which they don’t have. They were NEVER accepted by the People of God, the believer Jews and the prophets!

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[Psalm45_9]

Pax Vobis Cvm!

1. Were they written by a prophet of God?

No, they are not written by a prophet of God, as we read in those books themselves!

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” ( 1 Maccabees 9:27 )

If the prophets ceased to appear in Israel long before these lines were written, then who wrote these lines??? Of course, NOT a prophet of God!

There are parts of the Bible that had no prophets:

The Old Testament speaks of periods that had no public prophets: “Now the boy Samuel was ministering to the LORD under Eli. And **the word of the LORD was rare in those days; there was no frequent vision.” **(1 Samuel 3:1)

A generation later, Israel had many prophets: “When they came to Gib’e-ah, behold, a band of prophets met him; and the spirit of God came mightily upon him, and he prophesied among them.” (1 Samuel 10:10)

When Lamentations was written public prophecy ceased:

“Her gates have sunk into the ground; he has ruined and broken her bars; her king and princes are among the nations; the law is no more, and her prophets obtain no vision from the LORD.” (Lamentations 2:9)

Some of the Psalms were written during a period with no public prophets:

“We do not see our signs; there is no longer any prophet, and there is none among us who knows how long.” (Psalm 74:9)

Now you accept Lamentations and Psalm 74 as scripture, but there weren’t any prophets when they were written, for they are speaking in the present tenses. Which demonstrates that just because public prophecy ceased, does not mean Divine inspiration ceased. If periods without public prophets meant Divine Inspiration ceased, then the Holy Spirit would not have permitted the first three chapters of 1 Samuel to be written along with Lamentations and Psalm 74.

2. Was that prophet who wrote them confirmed by an act of God?

As we saw in 1 Maccabees 9:27 ( one of those false human teachings ), prophets ceased in Israel since a long time! So those books say they are not written by a prophet! So why do we have to search for miracles confirming them??!! They clearly say they are NOT prophets! So we don’t need to test them if they are prophets or not.

Given the explanation for point one, point one and two are irrelevant.

3. Does it tell the truth about God?

As we saw in Tobit 12:9, and 2 Maccabees 12:45-46, these books not only do not give us the truth of God, but they also give us many imaginary things… Just read “Bel and the Dragon” and you will see…

Given how the Wisdom of Solomon makes a prophecy to Christ’s crucifixion, 2 Maccabees preaches the truth of the resurrection, Tobit and Judith demonstrate how God comes to the aid of his faithful ones in mysterious ways; the deuterocanonicals do tell the truth about God.