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I have experienced this with all formalists and legalists…
They are really searching from sea to sea for the Word of God.Witness
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I have experienced this with all formalists and legalists…
They are really searching from sea to sea for the Word of God.Witness
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“The apocryphal books contain errors. For example, “On the third day thou didst command the waters to be gathered together in the seventh part of the earth; six parts thou didst dry up and keep so that some of them might be planted and cultivated and be of service before thee” (II Esdras 6:42 RSV). The Book of Judith (1:1) states that “the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, who ruled over the Assyrians in the great city of Nineveh.” Nebuchadnezzar was not king of Nineveh but of the Neo-Babylonian Empire (Edersheim, op. cit, 1:126). Wisdom of Solomon (11:17) states that God “created the world out of formless matter.” Tobit and Judith contain many historical, chronological, and geographical errors.”
INTERESTING!!! And they say God said this…
Read this:
bibleteachings.org/apocrypha.html
INTERESTING!!! And they say God said this…
Read this:
bibleteachings.org/apocrypha.html
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Pax Vobis Cvm!
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Originally Posted by YAQUBOS
*1. Were they written by a prophet of God?
No, they are not written by a prophet of God, as we read in those books themselves!
“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” ( 1 Maccabees 9:27 )
If the prophets ceased to appear in Israel long before these lines were written, then who wrote these lines??? Of course, NOT a prophet of God!*
There are parts of the Bible that had no prophets:
The Old Testament speaks of periods that had no public prophets: “Now the boy Samuel was ministering to the LORD under Eli. And **the word of the LORD was rare in those days; there was no frequent vision.” **(1 Samuel 3:1)
A generation later, Israel had many prophets: “When they came to Gib’e-ah, behold, a band of prophets met him; and the spirit of God came mightily upon him, and he prophesied among them.” (1 Samuel 10:10)
When Lamentations was written public prophecy ceased:
“Her gates have sunk into the ground; he has ruined and broken her bars; her king and princes are among the nations; the law is no more, and her prophets obtain no vision from the LORD.” (Lamentations 2:9)
Some of the Psalms were written during a period with no public prophets:
“We do not see our signs; there is no longer any prophet, and there is none among us who knows how long.” (Psalm 74:9)
Now you accept Lamentations and Psalm 74 as scripture, but there weren’t any prophets when they were written, for they are speaking in the present tenses. Which demonstrates that just because public prophecy ceased, does not mean Divine inspiration ceased. If periods without public prophets meant Divine Inspiration ceased, then the Holy Spirit would not have permitted the first three chapters of 1 Samuel to be written along with Lamentations and Psalm 74.
YAQUBOS:
YAQUBOS:
"And so, because he was a prophet and knew that GOD HAD SWORN TO HIM WITH AN OATH TO SEAT one OF HIS DESCENDANTS ON HIS THRONE” ( Acts 2:29-30 )
So I see that there are two different types of prophets mentioned in the scripture. Public prophets, like Isaiah, and non public ones, like David (who was filled with the Holy Spirit). 1 Maccabees 9:27 was speaking of public prophets like Isaiah, it says nothing about nonpublic prophets like David. And to that I said Amen.
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Originally Posted by YAQUBOS
*1. Were they written by a prophet of God?
No, they are not written by a prophet of God, as we read in those books themselves!
“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” ( 1 Maccabees 9:27 )
If the prophets ceased to appear in Israel long before these lines were written, then who wrote these lines??? Of course, NOT a prophet of God!*
There are parts of the Bible that had no prophets:
The Old Testament speaks of periods that had no public prophets: “Now the boy Samuel was ministering to the LORD under Eli. And **the word of the LORD was rare in those days; there was no frequent vision.” **(1 Samuel 3:1)
A generation later, Israel had many prophets: “When they came to Gib’e-ah, behold, a band of prophets met him; and the spirit of God came mightily upon him, and he prophesied among them.” (1 Samuel 10:10)
When Lamentations was written public prophecy ceased:
“Her gates have sunk into the ground; he has ruined and broken her bars; her king and princes are among the nations; the law is no more, and her prophets obtain no vision from the LORD.” (Lamentations 2:9)
Some of the Psalms were written during a period with no public prophets:
“We do not see our signs; there is no longer any prophet, and there is none among us who knows how long.” (Psalm 74:9)
Now you accept Lamentations and Psalm 74 as scripture, but there weren’t any prophets when they were written, for they are speaking in the present tenses. Which demonstrates that just because public prophecy ceased, does not mean Divine inspiration ceased. If periods without public prophets meant Divine Inspiration ceased, then the Holy Spirit would not have permitted the first three chapters of 1 Samuel to be written along with Lamentations and Psalm 74.
It did for a short period, but divine inspiration continued as the scripture attests.
“Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
"And so, because he was a prophet and knew that GOD HAD SWORN TO HIM WITH AN OATH TO SEAT one OF HIS DESCENDANTS ON HIS THRONE” ( Acts 2:29-30 )
So I see that there are two different types of prophets mentioned in the scripture. Public prophets, like Isaiah, and non public ones, like David (who was filled with the Holy Spirit). 1 Maccabees 9:27 was speaking of public prophets like Isaiah, it says nothing about nonpublic prophets like David. And to that I said Amen.
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As to the rest of the points, it is clear that the Deueterocanonicals meet them. Was not St. Paul humble also? It is a virtue of the Holy Spirit, as 2 Maccabees demonstrates.
As to the rest of the points, it is clear that the Deueterocanonicals meet them. Was not St. Paul humble also? It is a virtue of the Holy Spirit, as 2 Maccabees demonstrates.
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As for the other points, it is clear that the Deuterocanonicals meet them. Was not St. Paul also humble? Humbleness is a virtue of the Holy Spirit as 2nd Maccabees demonstrates.
As for the other points, it is clear that the Deuterocanonicals meet them. Was not St. Paul also humble? Humbleness is a virtue of the Holy Spirit as 2nd Maccabees demonstrates.
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Psalm45:9:
Look how much humble is this:
“In the days of Shalmaneser I performed many acts of charity to my brethren.” ( Tobit 1:16 )
How humble…
And the worse is that Tobit says he is the authors of these lines, while he says he lived long before his book was written…
Look how much humble is this:“In the days of Shalmaneser I performed many acts of charity to my brethren.” ( Tobit 1:16 )
How humble…
And the worse is that Tobit says he is the authors of these lines, while he says he lived long before his book was written…
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“Wisdom 8:19,20 is another contradiction between the apocrypha and Scripture. “For I was a witty child, and had a good spirit. Yea rather, being good, I came into a body undefiled.” However, the Bible teaches that all are born with original sin. The author of Wisdom believes he was an exception.”
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“Sirach 12:4-7 advices, “Give to the godly man, and help not a sinner. Do well unto him that is lowly, but give not to the ungodly; hold back thy bread, and give it not unto him…give unto the good, and help not the sinner.” This sound more like pagan philosophy rather than the teaching of God, “I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you…Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again” (Luke 6:27,30) “Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink” (Romans 12:20).”
I prefer the Bible.
I prefer the Bible.
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Witness said:
Good morning YAQUBOS.
Do you know the theology of the Eastern Church? All are born without original sin, but they are born with its curse, no contradictions.
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“There are also historical errors in the apocrypha. For example, Tobit claims to have been alive when Jeroboam revolted (931 B.C.) and when Assyria conquered Israel (722 B.C.). These two events were separated by over 200 years and yet the total lifespan of Tobit was 158 years (Tobit 1:3-5; 14:11)! Judith mistakenly identifies Nebuchadnezzar as king of the Assyrians (1:1, 7) when in fact he was the king of Babylon (2 Kings 24:1).”
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Witness said:
“In the days of Shalmaneser I performed many acts of charity to my brethren.” ( Tobit 1:16 )
How humble…
And the worse is that Tobit says he is the authors of these lines, while he says he lived long before his book was written…
Do you know that Tobit and Judith are historical parables?
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Witness said:“There are also historical errors in the apocrypha. For example, Tobit claims to have been alive when Jeroboam revolted (931 B.C.) and when Assyria conquered Israel (722 B.C.). These two events were separated by over 200 years and yet the total lifespan of Tobit was 158 years (Tobit 1:3-5; 14:11)! Judith mistakenly identifies Nebuchadnezzar as king of the Assyrians (1:1, 7) when in fact he was the king of Babylon (2 Kings 24:1).”
What does Judith mean? “Lady Jew” both Assyria and Babylon were enemies of the Jewish nation and caused the worst pain to them. As an American I give you this example. Let’s say Hitler, the Leader of the Soviet Union and his troops just landed on the American Coast. When all hope is lost, who will save the day? Ms. America! Judith shows that it is a historical parable from the very first verse.
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Psalm45:9:
Maybe Judith and Tobit themselves are parables like their books…
The author of Tobit says:
“I, Tobit, walked in the ways of truth and righteousness all the days of my life”
Maybe he meant that he is a parable…
Maybe Judith and Tobit themselves are parables like their books…The author of Tobit says:
“I, Tobit, walked in the ways of truth and righteousness all the days of my life”
Maybe he meant that he is a parable…
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Our Lord spoke in parables. Was Lazarus real? Is he the same Lazarus that rose from the dead?
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In response to Tobit, I told you that it is a historical parable. In other words some of it is fact and some is fiction. Tobit indeed could have been a real person, just like King Arthur. But with all folklore surrounding historical people, the truth gets distorted to empahsize the person’s righteousness. Did George Washington really cut down a Cherry tree? Well, that’s up to you to decided.
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Psalm45:9:
Are those imaginary personalities created by angels?
Is it right not to help the sinners, as Sirach 12:4-7 says?
Are those books real?
What is real in your world, Psalm4005700???
Is your username right? Couldn’t be that someone else is writing about you?
What is real in the Apocrypha?
Are those imaginary personalities created by angels?
Is it right not to help the sinners, as Sirach 12:4-7 says?
Are those books real?
What is real in your world, Psalm4005700???
Is your username right? Couldn’t be that someone else is writing about you?
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I don’t know about Apcrypha, but I know about Duetrocanonicals.What is real in the Apocrypha?
The Holy Spirit. Jesus spoke in parables.
Love the sinner, not the sin. Love thy neighbor and pray for those who persecute you.
Can you read them?
That when I was hungary you gave me food, when I was cold you gave me warmth, when I was in prison you visited me.What is real in your world, Psalm4005700???
God rewards those who do good works in his name, that’s what Tobit says.
The Holy Spirit.Is your username right? Couldn’t be that someone else is writing about you?
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Witness said:
Sirach emphasizes the treatment of the ungodly. Of course we should help them, but what if they don’t want your help and they slap the food away? Do not waste your time with people such as these, only prayer can help them. You cannot help those who do not want it. Rejecting the gospel=ungodly.
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Witness said:
Let’s see:
- Writing in broken English
- Emphasis on things which he does not agree with must be philosophy
- Continual use of smileys.
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Wisdom Of Solomon 8.19-20 teaches the pre-existence of the soul and reincarnation:
“As a child I was by nature well endowed,
and a good soul fell to my lot;
or rather, being good, I entered an undefiled body.”
No, I prefer the teaching of the Bible. I witness.
“As a child I was by nature well endowed,
and a good soul fell to my lot;
or rather, being good, I entered an undefiled body.”
No, I prefer the teaching of the Bible. I witness.- Status