Biden picks Kamala Harris as running mate

[PaulinVA]

I understand all of the posters who think that abortion is the number one issue that a catholic should consider.

However, my conscience can not allow me to vote for Trump, or to not vote against him. That’s just where we are.

The country is at stake

 

[Regular_Atheist]

What do you think “Antifa types” have done to make things bad?

 

[Regular_Atheist]

pushing aberrant behavior on children like Drag Queen story time and “stars” like Desmond is Amazing and Lactatia, enforcing 56+ genders with threat of public banishment, and now we’re getting to the point where some have suggested 2+2=4 is a racist construct from white supremacy. This is just to name a few.

You think Antifa did all of this?

 

[upant]

Many have presented what might be proportional to abortion and euthanasia. Please read Archbishop McElroy’s piece posted above.

he pushes candidate over religious issues, you don’t see a problem with this?

he thinks withdrawing from the Paris executive order is worse than providing contraceptives. really? an accord with no mandatory goals is worse than contraception? where do I find the Paris accord in the catechism? his pre-eminent issue is climate change. fortunately, the US bishops didn’t agree with him.

“It is a far greater moral evil for our country to abandon the Paris Climate Accord than to provide contraceptives in federal health centers,” said McElroy, even though the use contraceptives in the nuptial act is considered by the Church to be intrinsically evil.

he defended his views before the bishop’s council and lost, they put abortion first as the most important issue.

“The threat of abortion remains our preeminent priority because it directly attacks life itself, because it takes place within the sanctuary of the family, and because of the number of lives destroyed.

And Pope Francis have said all moral issues are nonnegotiable

in essence, this is true since any sin will condemn us.

and Cardinal Ratzinger and St John Paul don’t disagree with this but they prioritize the moral issues.

abortion and euthanasia are still the priority even if all issues are non-negotiable.

according to two bishops the pope does think abortion is pre-eminent

In January, Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City in Kansas said that when he relayed this story to Pope Francis during his ad limina visit, the pontiff was confused and reiterated that abortion was indeed the preeminent political issue faced in the United States. Similarly, Archbishop Robert Carlson of St. Louis, who was on the same ad limina delegation, said that Pope Francis had labeled two issues as particularly important in the United States: abortion and transgender ideology.

Francis “certainly talked about abortion as a preeminent issue, at the same time he said there’s another significant issue and that would be ‘transgender,’” said Carlson.

 

[pnewton]

pnewton:

A reminder, abortion is not listed on any ballot.

A vote for the supporter is a vote for the act.

No, it is not. Have I also committed adultery by voting for people who believe adultery should be legal? You could substitute many things and get nonsense because the premise is not sound. A vote for a person is a vote for that person.

Again, this is were the USCCB’s guide brings a measure of common sense.

 

[pnewton]

because there are non-negotiables.

There are a lot of non-negotiables. Ideally, neither Trump nor Biden should get the support of a Catholic, if we were required only to vote for idealism, not incrementalism.

 

[jeannetherese]

Sally Hemmings, like all females during slavery were raped!

To make that argument, you would have to be able to prove that every single woman was unwilling.The ability to coerce and/or an inequality of power relations does not necessarily negate consent.

 

[jeannetherese]

Consensual? Do you mean a slave would consensually have sexual relationships with her White master? If so, that would be similar to a Holocaust prisoner having consensual sex with a Nazi guard.

I mean that a slave could be attracted to a master (or mistress) and, if the master or mistress shared this attraction, engage in sexual relationships with that person.
Similarly, a prisoner could be attracted to a guard.
Human beings and human relationships are complicated. I have friends who can trace their family tree back through one of those relationships, and they respect the consensual nature of the relationship.

 

[jeannetherese]

You might find this bill, seeking to raise the minimum age for marriage in Virginia to 16, of interest; It was put forward in 2016.

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[upant]

at no point did Archbishop McElroy claim that climate change is the pre-eminent issue in the article cited.

not in this article but he expresses it often.

(bold mine)

Well, I would say as to why it should have a central priority and focus is that if we don’t get this issue right, in the end none of the other issues are going to matter, because human dignity will have been destroyed as we know it if our planet is destroyed. And thus, there is a comprehensiveness to the emergency posed by climate change and economic degradation, that it’s so mammoth in its consequences that it has a rightful claim to a top priority in the social issues facing the world today. So as a claim of focus, I think it has that.

Given that 69 bishops voted with McElroy

I’d call 143-69 a significant majority for abortion as the priority.

But by a vote of 143-69 (with four abstentions), the bishops on Nov. 12 rejected the Cupich amendment.

most important doesn’t mean it is the only issue that matters as you seem to be suggesting.

I stand with Cardinal Ratzinger and St John Paul

Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia.

defended with maximum determination

Well, then let’s agree to get rid of the so-called ‘non-negotiables’

slow down, a prioritized list of non-negotiables is what has been handed down from prior popes, I am not willing to give them up so easily, especially since 2 bishops say Pope Francis agrees with the pre-eminence of abortion.

There is no requirement to vote for one candidate or another and good people with well-formed consciences may disagree.

sorry, I don’t see it that way. we have to vote our religious teachings focusing on the moral priority of the popes and bishops. if a person is for abortion, euthanasia, SSM, LGBT, transgender, etc and other candidates are against that, we have no choice but to vote our religion,

 

[meltzerboy2]

Probably NO candidate should get the support of Catholics!

 

[JimG]

Biden and Harris. Both supporters of abortion, supporters of same sex marriage, supporters of forcing Catholic nuns to pay for contraceptives. Not a Catholic values oriented ticket.

 

[PaulinVA]

Biden and Harris. Both supporters of abortion, supporters of same sex marriage, supporters of forcing Catholic nuns to pay for contraceptives. Not a Catholic values oriented ticket.

That’s true.

And that’s why it’s hard for Catholics to vote for them.

But, a vote for Trump is a vote supporting lying, cheating, lack of leadership, and subverting American institutions and possibly our democracy.

So, there you are.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Your assertions are not proven,however the issues with JB and KH are actual facts.Having said that,our democracy will crumble under their tenure.Trump has fought daily to maintain our Nation’s consituanal rights .Not sure where you get the notion that Trump is the dangerous one.:woman_facepalming:t2:

 

[Victoria33]

Not sure where you get the notion that Trump is the dangerous one.:woman_facepalming:t2:

Yes, ask a baby in the womb who is dangerous.

 

[PaulinVA]

Not sure where you get the notion that Trump is the dangerous one

I know you don’t, although we’ve talked about it numerous times.

Let’s just look at this week.

Top Homeland Security Officials Are Serving Illegally, G.A.O. Says

Announcing he is purposely not funding the post office so mail-in voting won’t work

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[Jeanne_S]

Totally agree.It is just stunning,that the records of these two ,JB,KH can so easily be overlooked,all because the left/ Dems so despise this current president. No one has yet to provide and cogent reasons why JB would be preferable.Only the usual tires ad hominem that the lame stream media has spouted for four years.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Ohhh good grief!More leftist spin

 

[PaulinVA]

Ohhh good grief!More leftist spin

Only I’m an independent, and it’s not spin. It’s facts.

You should follow Trump on Twitter. It’ll tell you everything you need to know about him.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Yet the fact that the whole Russian collusion has been verifiably disproven,yet continues to be pushed via the leftist Dems ,is largely ignored and denied by those who so desperately need to getvTrump out of office. is ok huh?