Biden reaches out to Catholics like himself, embracing a key group in big 2020 states

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He’s not wearing it on his sleeve, is he?
Yes, he is. He talked about it when he described how the sisters gave him the gift of knowledge of the Catholic faith, even though he plans on hurting them when he becomes president. He also went on about being an Irish Catholic at the debate.

Plus Mrs. Barrett is not wearing it on her sleeve either. Again, it was the democrats that brought it up, not her.
Biden is not quoted in the article.
I didn’t say he was. I was saying that Mr. Biden is the one bringing up his faith and Mrs. Barret is not. Difference and can’t be compared.
 
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Plus Mrs. Barrett is not wearing it on her sleeve either.
She wrote about it and people asked her about what she wrote. That seems reasonable to me.
I was saying that Mr. Biden is the one bringing up his faith and Mrs. Barret is not.
That’s not really accurate. Mentioning his Catholicism has never been a big part of Biden’s campaign rhetoric.
 
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As for “Catholics like himself”, that leaves me out. I don’t want to be “Catholic like him” because I don’t think the manner in which he is being a Catholic is what God wants.
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I pity Joe, because he’s allowing his political aspirations to drive him further and further from God. He has embraced the insanity of the far left, and supports so many thing which are abominable to God. I feel bad for him and his ilk (Pelosi et al.). We cannot judge the state of his soul, but based on his actions he will have much to answer for. (As will we all.)
 
Do Catholics actually take him seriously. Like I am not trying to be uncharitable but if Biden came to me for support because of his Catholic beliefs I would laugh in his face. If anything he has done irreparable harm to Catholics and society. I mean if he is going to start standing up for Catholic values then I will vote for him but I don’t think that is what he means.
 
Biden openly defies Church teaching. And backed the HHS contraception mandate which would have forced his fellow Catholics who he allegedly loves so much out of business.

No thanks

I don’t have any expectations for Trump to understand about the Eucharist, which in his church isn’t real anyway.
 
Do Catholics actually take him seriously. Like I am not trying to be uncharitable but if Biden came to me for support because of his Catholic beliefs I would laugh in his face. If anything he has done irreparable harm to Catholics and society. I mean if he is going to start standing up for Catholic values then I will vote for him but I don’t think that is what he means.
  1. Do Catholics take him seriously? Yes. He, like Obama, most likely will get a plurality of Catholic votes.
2… I don’t think Biden is trolling for votes because he is Catholic. That’s sounds like something out of a big city in the fifties.
  1. If 70% of Catholics hold the same views as Biden I can’t see how he has done ‘irreparable harm’ to Catholics and society.
 
She wrote about it and people asked her about what she wrote.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with talking about or writing about your faith. Plus she did not write about it as part of her career as a judge/
That seems reasonable to me.
Not to me, unless we are going to question everyone’s faith. also, they did more than ask, they attacked.

We still have freedom OF religion here in the U.S.
That’s not really accurate. Mentioning his Catholicism has never been a big part of Biden’s campaign rhetoric.
I disagree. He has talked about frequently and said it is part of why he does what he does.

From the article:

Joe Biden often crosses himself and looks toward the sky when saying something he jokingly might need to apologize for, regularly referring to the nuns who taught him during 12 years in Catholic school.

Now, several recent TV ads from Biden’s campaign show him standing with Pope Francis or huddled with a Jesuit priest. He’s reading from a pulpit, bowing his head in prayer, or standing solemnly in front of a church’s stained-glass window.


-that last part about standing in front of a church is interesting- 🤔
 
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In other words, I seriously doubt Joe Biden confesses that is a Pro Choice politician and that he’s defending a woman’s “right” to an abortion.
I am not certain he approves of abortion. Which would be following the Church’s teachings on the matter. As a legislator or possible executive, he must follow the law of the country.

“In 1981, he supported a constitutional amendment that would enable states to overturn Roe v. Wade . In his 2007 book, Promises to Keep, he wrote that while he is ‘personally opposed to abortion,’ he didn’t feel he had the ‘right to impose [his] view on the rest of society.’”

In 2006, Biden called himself the “odd man out” of his party, because he did not support federal funding for abortion and voted for bans on the procedure later in pregnancy, CNN revealed in a resurfaced video last year.

“I do not vote for funding for abortion,” he said, per CNN. “I voted against partial birth abortion—to limit it—and I vote for no restrictions on a woman’s right to be able to have an abortion under Roe v. Wade. And, so I am—I made everybody angry. I made the right-to-life people angry because I won’t support a constitutional amendment or limitations on a woman’s right to exercise her constitutional right as defined by Roe v. Wade. And I’ve made the groups—the women’s groups and others—very angry because I won’t support public funding and I won’t support partial birth abortion.”
Yes, but he has allowed his views to be changed based on party politics. He used to be 100% against legal abortion. Now, he’s in favor of legal abortion until to death.

What his personal views are is actually irrelevant because his public views firmly place him in the realm of committing the mortal sin of scandal.

A Catholic cannot support a human law that defies the divine law. Abortion is 100% against the divine law because it is murder.

So it doesn’t matter what the law of the land is, all Catholics must put the divine law before human law.
 
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Say someone is a lawyer and a Catholic. A client comes to them and requests them to start papers for divorce. Maybe even say this client is a fellow Catholic, and explains that their goal is to get the divorce and then remarry another person.
I’m a lawyer and a Catholic. Let’s just say I have managed to avoid these problems in private, government and in-house practice for decades. It’s not hard.

Issue 1: Why is the Catholic lawyer in the business of divorce law? There are dozens of other fields of law s/he could pick. It would meke sense for a Catholic lawyer to select a field of practice that would not be constantly causing him or her to have moral dilemmas.

Issue 2: A lawyer in private practice is not required to take the case of everybody who walks in his or her door. They can and do decline for all sorts of reasons. They could decline if they didn’t like the case, didn’t like the client, or just didn’t feel like taking any more cases. They’re not like the cake decorator who’s going to be sued for not making the custom cake for the gay couple. They also can just not return the person’s call (which is how a lot of lawyers in small private practice deal with it, I know this by experience, I’ve even had it done to me when I needed a lawyer though not for a divorce thank God).

Issue 3: Unless the lawyer is a canon lawyer, he doesn’t get into the person’s religion or bringing up priests, and in fact a client relying on their priest (or their minister, rabbi, imam, guru, spiritual adviser etc) rather than on the secular lawyer’s advice can be grounds for the lawyer to withdraw from representation. (Again I know this by experience.)
 
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So it doesn’t matter what the law of the land is, all Catholics must put the divine law before human law.
Then I guess most every Catholic politician can call themselves a CINO then, because a whole slew of laws in this country go against divine law, not just abortion.

I know the reply will be abortion is the most important, but it is not exclusive.
 
Because he is an authority figure and probably has scandalized thousands of not hundreds of thousands of Catholics by misrepresenting the Catholic faith.
 
Politics is a difficult field for Catholics. However, it was a lot easier when one party wasn’t expecting them to preserve a “right” to commit mass murder.

Abortion is why we no longer have priests serving in elected office in the USA. The Pope ordered them to leave office, probably because at least one of them was making arguments about supporting abortion politically while being against it personally, and encouraging other Catholic politicians down the same path.
 
Who were these priests and why would they do such a thing? Good move on whichever Pope made that move because my goodness that would have scandalized many.
 
If the lawyer does take the case, is he complicit? Would they need to go to confession for working on the case? Would they need to confess after each time they worked on it, or just when the case was done.

If they continued to do cases as this, would their prior confessions be valid, or since they didn’t intend to stop doing cases like this would the sin remain.

I have my opinions on the answers to these questions, but the reality is this scenario plays out time and time again. Should these lawyers be denied communion? I doubt any priest would do such a thing.
 
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In conclusion, devout & orthodox Catholic surely sin. But devout / orthodox Catholics go to confession after sinning & acknowledge what they did was sinful.
So if a Catholic is repeatedly going to confession for the same serious sin, are they truly seeking forgiveness or just going through the motions? If they are truly devout/orthodox whatever folks want to call it, and believe that adultery for example is against Church teachings, yet they continue to commit adultery, are they not simply ignoring the Church teachings or disregarding them.
This is subjective. We don’t know for sure. HOWEVER…
We don’t know if Biden asked for forgiveness for the marriage he performed so using that as an example would be no different than pointing out some other Catholic’s sin and saying look there, they are not a true Catholic, or they are a CINO.
In the case of Biden, he as shown ZERO remorse publicly for doing those marriages. In fact, he said that the TV show “Will and Grace” changed his mind on same sex marriage. In other words, he allowed Hollywood to override Church teaching. And even if it’s all an act and he’s secretly against all of this, then he’s still guilty of the Mortal Sin of Scandal, which he has NOT stopped committing.
He performed the marriage as a civil act, not as an act within the Church. Now if Biden was a priest for instance and performed a same sex marriage, that would be a big, big issue.
Doesn’t matter. A lay Catholic cannot marry anyone. The only possible exception would be a judge or Captain who is required to perform such civil marriages as part of their job. And even then, some say a Catholic Judge and sea Captain should do everything possible to avoid having to perform civil marriages.

As I said before, as Vice President, Joe Biden was under NO obligation to marry anyone. He CHOOSE to do this and to publically DEFY the Catholic Church.
 
It’s mind-boggling to think what would happen if VP Biden suddenly announced that he is rejecting the anti-Catholic policy of abortion on demand (let’s not think about pro-gay marriage for now–let’s just imagine a change in his abortion stance) and is opposed to ALL abortion!
If he (AND Kamala) did that, I would vote for Biden. But I would not vote for him if Kamala didn’t agree because if Joe Biden becomes 100% pro life, and is elected President, Kamala WILL use the 25th Amendment to remove him.
 
Wishful thinking on your part!please don’t defect from this fraudulent behavior on the part ofvajB and HB
 

I knew him a couple decades ago when he was an elderly professor. He wasn’t a bad guy, a lot of his students loved him. He was very jolly and engaging and reported to be a good teacher. I personally did not take his class because I wanted to take that particular class from a different professor, not out of dislike for Fr. Drinan. I did not know then about the abortion business or about why he left office. I don’t hold it against him, Jesuits push envelopes and when the Pope told him to step down he obeyed without question - many other priests in that era did not and would have left the priesthood and stayed in office, so a priest who stayed a priest got a gold star in my book.

Also, I have to confess at the time I knew Fr. Drinan, I thought the same as he did apparently, that you could be personally against abortion, but legally for it. And the same as Joe does, apparently. But one day I decided I was thinking wrong.

The Pope was St. Pope JPII.
 
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