Black Business Owner in Minneapolis Pleads for Help After Life’s Work is Destroyed by Rioting Mob

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I am not saying ignoring focchi, not saying it doesn’t exist, but take your time to see if this emphasizing doesn’t kind of become a sort of drawback.
Purge the forces as necessary, deal with the racist, but then having to write down race for even the dumbest unrelated poll, paper work, document, really? For what purpose?
And when I say your society I really mean this time to circumscribe it to IS because it is like something noticeable there. Not out of any sort of discrimination or lack of love or anything. We have got other problems
People are asked to record race often because we still don’t have equality. This is going into a separate topic meant for a separate thread. But they aren’t simply identifying race for no good reason. They’re doing it because sadly, our communities have not shown that POC can be treated equally without enforcement.
 
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“A riot is the language of the unheard.” Martin Luther King Jr. certainly wasn’t condoning violence – he was understanding its origins.
Yes, he had some understanding of why people want to riot. Yet I note that this one quote keeps popping up, specifically because it was out of character for him to even give that level of acknowledgment of violence. He abhorred and opposed violence as a method of change. His ideal was Gandhi. His method of attention was sheer numbers. Right now there is no MLK in leadership position that can help turn anger into results. If nothing else, the civil rights movement this generation highlights what a great man he was.

He was able to amass great numbers of people in peaceful protest. The only way to amass such numbers again will only be through peaceful protest. It is the only way to get the attention of those that matter without becoming a spectacle, diverting attention from injustice to suppression of violence.
Again, I have no interest in condoning violence. But you don’t have to condone it to understand its origins. I think many, many Americans are seriously struggling with the inability to place themselves in the shoes of the unheard.
 
I still think it is normal for you, and very weird for many of us from the “ outside”.
I don’t see a purpose for it as extended as it is but almost a habit.
But then, it is up to you.
That I don’t go with violence, that is final… It doesn’t help on the long run to find excuses for destruction.
 
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I still think it is normal for you, and very weird for many of us from the “ outside”.
I don’t see a purpose for it as extended as it is but almost a habit.
But then, it is up to you.
That I don’t go with violence, that is final… It doesn’t help on the long run to find excuses for destruction.
There are many things that are normal in one place and weird in another. I try not to make valuative statements based on the experiences of others.

As far as I can tell, no one here is advocating violence.
 
Not violence … but … kind of perpetuating an excuse that should belong to the past. Violence is raceless…Proof of that is how the vast majority by far share and live together peacefully.
I just mean to help with something often commented as pointless but then again , it is up to you, either to perpetuate or move forward perhaps.
Do away with these thoughts if they don’t help or seem pointless.
 
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What does his political affiliation have to do with this?

“A riot is the language of the unheard.” Martin Luther King Jr. certainly wasn’t condoning violence – he was understanding its origins.
Fine about what King said but that is pretty vague, I doubt if he is saying something like some of the race riots that have occurred in this country was just “the language of the unheard”, some of those riots saw many people die. Horrible.
 
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gracepoole:
What does his political affiliation have to do with this?

“A riot is the language of the unheard.” Martin Luther King Jr. certainly wasn’t condoning violence – he was understanding its origins.
Fine about what King said but that is pretty vague, I doubt if he is saying something like some of the race riots that have occurred in this country was just “the language of the unheard”, some of those riots saw many people die. Horrible.
Here’s a bit more context for you:
“I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.”
 
Let’s not make a switch from talking about one process, the grieving peaceful protesters, well within their right to free speech, then, go into “rioting” as if it is understandable.

Rioting may be understandable, it’s also understandable that a Native American charitable organization for youth was torched and a number of African American and I’m sure other business too. That’s pretty understandable.

Some of these folks in North Minneapolis mainly from what I can tell, are defending their businesses against looting and they are well-armed.
 
Here’s a bit more context for you:
So? That applies as much as a quote like this:
The Tulsa, Oklahoma Race Riot was one of the worst urban racial conflicts in United States history. Two days of violence in 1921 by whites against blacks left an estimated 50 people dead, hundreds injured, and more than 1,000 black owned homes and businesses destroyed.

The riot, which began on May 31, 1921, was initiated by an incident that happened the day before. On the morning of May 30, a black man named Dick Rowland stepped into Tulsa’s Drexel Building to use the restroom. The elevator operator was a young white girl named Sarah Page. A scream was heard from inside the elevator, and Rowland ran out. While there is no conclusive evidence, it was the general belief of white Tulsans that Rowland attempted to assault Page.

Oklahoma Race Riots, 1000 businesses destroyed, probably by the nature of the riots, whites against blacks. This time around, who is setting fire to black businesses? It seems agitators are, antifa types, could be white nationalist types too. All kinds of businesses are being set fire.

A riot is one thing, murderous mayhem is another.

Can we understand the race riots? Yeah, it was about racists. We really don’t have a lot of where whites are setting fire to black businesses, I see a lot of whites involved in the marches and possibly setting fires to businesses.
 
I don’t understand your response. I quoted King because I believe he’s correct – violence is abhorrent but it doesn’t spring from a vacuum. "Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.” That’s basic common sense. Having more outrage about looting than the unwarranted death of a human being is weird to me.
 
I don’t understand your response. I quoted King because I believe he’s correct – violence is abhorrent but it doesn’t spring from a vacuum. "Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.” That’s basic common sense. Having more outrage about looting than the unwarranted death of a human being is weird to me.
Having more outrage about looting than the unwarranted death of a human being is weird to me.

I am not aware that I have even addressed looting, I have addressed the related burning businesses to the ground which certainly indicates an explosive situation where more people could die.

But bringing up quotes about rioting in the 1960s might not be an apt correlation.

This may well be anarchy, not rioting over racial injustice, Floyd’s girlfriend has come out against the anarchy that is going on.

Apparently, in the past, there was a Tony Timpa, suffocated as well while arrested.


White man, suffocated being arrested, has anyone ever heard of him? It seems weird to have selective outrage.
 
Believe me: it’s possible for you to maintain your outrage and disgust over burnings, lootings, etc. while also understanding that our society has failed to ensure justice for all of its members and that this has naturally led to a tremendous amount of anger.
 
Believe me: it’s possible for you to maintain your outrage and disgust over burnings, lootings, etc. while also understanding that our society has failed to ensure justice for all of its members and that this has naturally led to a tremendous amount of anger.
I’ve run into obstacles in previous discussions with trying to explain that “understanding” and “agreement” are not synonymous with each other. It can at time take many conversational transactions before the two are not conflated.
 
I know… it isn’t offensive just purposeless almost as if it had been there in the forms to fill in and one wonders…
Would you read my race before reading my essay?
Would you care one bit while grading it?
That sort of thing…
I once had an hilarious chat with a girl at the doctors’ at the beginning of my stay there. When I had to fill in Injust asked very lovingly: please look at me and tell me what do I write ? And I sort of made a brief description of my family tree and nationality and mother tongue.
She smiled and said : “ Same thing happens to me.” And she proceeded with her mix and match of origins. Very sweet person…
So… I mean who cares about my race when being asked for my shopping preferences or stuff like that?
It is not offensive but a continuous reminder that race is important…for you.
Not for us…
 
I know… it isn’t offensive just purposeless almost as if it had been there in the forms to fill in and one wonders…
Would you read my race before reading my essay?
Would you care one bit while grading it?
That sort of thing…
I once had an hilarious chat with a girl at the doctors’ at the beginning of my stay there. When I had to fill in Injust asked very lovingly: please look at me and tell me what do I write ? And I sort of made a brief description of my family tree and nationality and mother tongue.
She smiled and said : “ Same thing happens to me.” And she proceeded with her mix and match of origins. Very sweet person…
So… I mean who cares about my race when being asked for my shopping preferences or stuff like that?
It is not offensive but a continuous reminder that race is important…for you.
Not for us…
Truthfully I’m not sure if you’re referring to identifying race on housing applications or “shopping preferences,” which would seem to be important here. But in terms of your final statement, the riots occurring all over the US tonight seem to indicate that race is important to many because they aren’t treated equally as a result of it. It should be important to all of us when people are still persecuted because of it.
 
I’m running out of battery and we have had no electricity for 8 hours so if you don’t mind, I ll go through your posts to capture your thoughts more accurately and come back to you tomorrow, Grace.Not in a hurry as I am now with almost none left.
Have a good night btw everybody!
 
It is not offensive but a continuous reminder that race is important…for you.
Not for us…
Let me try to explain it. Where you are, is there a discrepancy in ways people are treated based on race, religion or any other prejudice? More to the point, how would one know if there is a problem it there is never any data collected on the subject. Without that question, there will never be any data, and all that can happen is an exchange of opinions and ignorance. We collect race data in most instances so that we can track how we as a society are progressing.
 
Yes, in the Vice article it says they wear Hawaiian shirts.
I’ll keep an eye out for Hawaiian shirts, but I think that that might result in false positives.
 
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Would you read my race before reading my essay?
Would you care one bit while grading it?
More times than not the information is going to be used for records/statistics, not individual grade evaluation. A frequent purpose of the records is to identify problem patterns. The race box is one data point of many that is used this way. Much like the data collected in various other surveys a single attribute from a single member of the population has little informational value. Aggregate data on the other hand can be valuable (see “data network effect”).

Choosing something that I think will be less controversial, forms also frequently ask if a person has disabilities. Having a physical disability will probably not itself be a factor in the evaluation of a student’s work. But if a pattern were noticed that students with a disability tend not to perform as well academically them that might be the sign of a problem that needs to be addressed. Being blind to then disability could result in being blind to a systematic problem.

I’m a software engineer. Sometimes I must shop for AI products and a question I often ask when working with sentiment analysis vendors is “can you tell me about the culture and race makeup of the people on which tou trained this software.” The reason I ask this is of the source data wasn’t sufficiently diverse then the software may have issues when dealing with someone outside the parameters of the training set. I can usually count on white men being included in the data set followed by white women. Outside of that it is a coin toss. HP ran I to an issue from a homogeneous data set and released a camera with face tracking that worked so long as the user was not a person with dark skin. Amazon had a facial recognition product that worked best with men of light skin. If someone were a woman or had dark skin it did not work as well. Results were even less promising if the person were a dark skinned woman.
 
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