Black Business Owner in Minneapolis Pleads for Help After Life’s Work is Destroyed by Rioting Mob

[josie_L]

I can agree with most of what you say, but it isn’t just property being destroyed, but livelihoods too, people being beaten and some killed . . . etc.

Let’s just hope they don’t come to a neighbourhood near you because it is complete anarchy out there.

 

[EssentialBeing]

Violence against PEOPLE is one thing & violence against PROPERTY is another.

If Governments don’t listen to peaceful protest then violent protests become inevitable

 

[josie_L]

This is not an either/or situation. I can condemn what happened to George Floyd and what is happening in its aftermath.

I am not claiming equivalency between the two, but violence begets more violence and our Lord made it a point to show us in which way we should “FIGHT”.

 

[josie_L]

That you condone violence as a means to an end??

I’m not sure at this point what you’re respective position is.

 

[Rubee]

I have asked before, is your attitude the same towards Scott Roeder, who murdered George Tiller? Or abortion clinic bombers like Eric Rudolph of Olympic bombing fame?

I’ll answer you when we have Black terrorists targeting individuals for murder and buildings for bombing. Right now, comparing a spontaneous spate of riots sparked by a murder, involving thousands of people, with all sorts of elements among them, to those incidents is just disingenuous. Again, I’m very glad the church responds with her perennial human understanding and charity.

 

[Rubee]

A very important difference. And among those who are protesting out of sheer frustration, desperation and righteous anger are also, sadly, those who are looting and destroying property for the mere sake of stealing and being destructive. They call attention away from those who have a legitimate cause.

But those with a legitimate cause aren’t being listened to and haven’t been listened to for a very long time, and the injustices continue because those in power are either indifferent to their civil rights, are outright racists targeting them, or elitists who look down on the ordinary citizenry with contempt.

Multiple wrongs don’t make a right, and I feel those property owners whose businesses and cars were destroyed are entitled to be fully compensated. But, good luck making that happen. And that’s also part of the problem.

Those with insurance may or may not be able to recoup their losses, depending on whether or not their insurance companies come through for them. Those without insurance, probably because they couldn’t afford it, may be out of luck, though they shouldn’t be.

Thank u for a beautiful, truly nuanced, and balanced post on the issues of this situation. God bless.

 

[Maximus1]

Condone violence? That’s a fiction.
Be clear, those crowds were diverse. All different races not just black people. They weren’t violent against people either( although there were some clashes with police). There was violence against property mostly.
In 2 weeks there will be violence against our hospitals again because Covid doesn’t care if you want justice.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

It is disingenuous because you say it is, which is meaningless.

And now you want to add the word “spontaneous” to why it is acceptable? So basically, you want understanding from others for why unacceptable behavior occurs, but are unwilling to give the same in kind.

Do you honestly expect people to see what side you are on if you will not meet them halfway? It is little wonder why there is small progress on these issues when a group demands understanding (and frankly, I do understand even if I don’t condone) but those demanding understanding refuse to give that courtesy back. That is not going to lead to healing.

 

[Maximus1]

I see very little philosophy, poetry, or strategy and lots of frustration. The language of " convincing," is almost alien to those protesters.
Their reason stops at," I am as mad as hell and they are not going to take it any more."
The language of " convincing," is almost exclusively that of the people trying to complete a transaction.
It is like a crab trying to communicate with an abalone.

 

[Rubee]

It is disingenuous because you say it is, which is meaningless.

And now you want to add the word “spontaneous” to why it is acceptable? So basically, you want understanding from others for why unacceptable behavior occurs, but are unwilling to give the same in kind.

Do you honestly expect people to see what side you are on if you will not meet them halfway?

I’m going to take back the word “disingenuous” because it speaks to your intent, so I should not have used it. What I meant and should have said was, it was comparing apples and oranges. Yes; it is not the same thing when you have a mass protest sparked by an incident like this because mass protests are made up of, well, ‘masses.’ There are many different elements in all those protests and most people are not looking to kill; so comparing them to those cases does not seem correct. Riots are not controllable once they’ve sparked off but they don’t typically start with an intention to murder.

 

[josie_L]

Seriously do you not know that violence has multiple meanings:

Definition of violence​

1a : the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy

b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure

2 : injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : OUTRAGE

3a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force.

Violence does not have to be directed at someone to be regarded as a violent or aggressive action.

And three people are dead with others injured.

 

[Victoria33]

The girlfriend of Floyd has asked for calm, Ilhan Omar has said the troublemakers are from out-of-town. The progressive governor of MN has said this too. Black business owners have displayed their dismay.

If people just choose not to be informed, they are in their rights. I just hope they are not insulting others and riding some sort of moral high-horse.

What’s happening now is very serious.

 

[gracepoole]

If people just choose not to be informed, they are in their rights. I just hope they are not insulting others and riding some sort of moral high-horse.

Again, to whom specifically are you referring?

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

That is fair enough.

I still think asking people to understand that riots are the result of years of being subjugated and unheard is no different than asking people to understand some other group who lashes out violently.

And if you take this approach, where do you draw the line?

 

[Victoria33]

Great Society was back in 1965 or so, so, that is 55 years ago.

Some of these cities, I won’t p(name removed by moderator)oint which, have not gotten better, some have gotten worse and we know, overwhelmingly, the Democrats have run these cities.

 

[graciew]

But if a pattern were noticed that students with a disability tend not to perform as well academically them that might be the sign of a problem that needs to be addressed. Being blind to then disability could result in being blinda to a systematic problem.

I just come back ‘ cause you left me thinking…
As controversial as it may be, in the best interest of the children, why do you have to pick the variable of race?
When students don’t perform as well,no matter the race, just children…
How varied, creative are we to tackle differences, differentiation ?
Am I catering for different levels of ability?
Am I aware of providing a child centered education?
Is my planning catering for the kinesthetic,the visual, the auditive…?
Is learning being meaningful for this child?
How is timing working for each?
How can I improve ?
And there are so many questions even about temporary family circumstances, personal confidence, I mean… when all the children are “ one couloured” and they are because they are children…
there are the ones that need this, the ones that need that, the ones that prefer this, the ones that learn better that way…
Each of them one by one…
The systematic problem may be the way it is approached.
It wouldn’t harm to give a different approach, some different light a try. Without race form filling…for some time at least?
Peace… and thanks, ThinkingSapien.

 

[Theo520]

No…stop…I can’t breathe…surely you can figure it out.

Sure, you can do naught but deflect.
You are a Zen Master in logical fallacy, kudos on ya!

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[1cthlctrth]

Ironically, they are victims because the police are standing back and not doing their jobs. Often, the police are inexplicably told to stand down by their local mayors. These mayors have zero compassion for the hard-working people who built up their businesses through hard work. And, now the owners’ livelihoods are destroyed.

 

[Rubee]

I still think asking people to understand that riots are the result of years of being subjugated and unheard is no different than asking people to understand some other group who lashes out violently.

And if you take this approach, where do you draw the line?

If you had compared them to a different group lashing out, I wouldn’t have disagreed, though. You compared them to lone terrorists. That is hardly a “group lashing out.” It’s why I emphasized this was a spontaneous mass phenomenon sparked by a particularly brutal event that came after a long series of such things in the public discourse and the strong impression that this will just keep carrying on. A group that has despaired (or is losing hope) in “things getting better” is a group tilting towards a revolt.

I also made the point it was not homogenous; there are all sorts of elements in the mass protests; but I’m not going to say like others that “legitimate protesters angry about George Floyd are not among those more violent ones:” I think there are nefarious opportunists, sure, but I also think there’s legitimate anger being expressed violently because of the killings. People do not all respond with equal sense when frustrated about a system that does not seem to them to value their lives. For THAT anger, I see the violence as a revolt against the social contract itself. Understanding what’s happening doesn’t mean agreement. But not understanding it will also not resolve it either. You can’t stop X from happening if you think it’s about Y when it’s about Z.

 

[graciew]

Standing in the shoes of the persons whose lifelong work has been shattered, what can you understand, Rubee? How can one find a tad of sense in the looting and destruction? Seconds and it is all gone
At the very same time the violent break and destroy, persons who are suffering exactly the same, are at home or have gone out to the streets peacefully.
The smashing and breaking and destroying, by experience …unfortunately abroad,has to be stopped from the start. Because one understands the owner of that shop who has been left empty handed by not fault of his own…
When you don’t stop it , you’re enabling, validating the worse one has inside…Who do we help by “ understanding “ such level of aggression?
Violence grows in the heart and it is a deviation…