Boehner calls Cruz 'Lucifer in the flesh'

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7_Sorrows said:
I do not feel like Cruz can win the general election.
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Personally, I won’t complain if the delegates choose Kasich (I’m not saying they should, just that I won’t complain if they do). And his favorability-spread, on RealClearPolitics, is +6.9.

But of course the point may be moot: Donald Trump has less then 40% of the GOP votes cast thus far, but more than 50% of the delegates awarded thus far. It’s the system I guess. :hmmm:
 
Despite my mixed feelings about Cruz, if any Republican leader is “Satan in the flesh” it’s John Boehner. I may even vote for Ted Cruz, unless Bernie wins the democratic nomination.
 
Peter_J said:
Personally, I won’t complain if the delegates choose Kasich (I’m not saying they should, just that I won’t complain if they do). And his favorability-spread, on RealClearPolitics, is +6.9.

But of course the point may be moot: Donald Trump has less then 40% of the GOP votes cast thus far, but more than 50% of the delegates awarded thus far. It’s the system I guess. :hmmm:
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after 8 years of Obama, I was hoping for a better group to choose from yhan Trump, Cruz and Kasich!
 
Darryl1958 said:
They do know Trump well enough. It is not as if getting to know him any better will benefit his poll numbers against HRC.

The choice that Republicans have is either Cruz or Trump. Americans may well reject both, but thinking that Cruz cannot win is no reason to support Trump instead.

His polls even more poorly, and people know who he is.
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The Republicans should choose the candidate that best represents them, Apparently, that is the candidate that doesn’t represent social conservatives.
 
Crossbones said:
The Republicans should choose the candidate that best represents them, Apparently, that is the candidate that doesn’t represent social conservatives.
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In other words, Republicans should become indistinguishable from Democrats.🤷

Good plan.
 
Darryl1958 said:
In other words, Republicans should become indistinguishable from Democrats.🤷

Good plan.
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You’ll have to discuss that with the Republicans that are voting for Trump, but that train’s left the station. Republicans have been paying lip service to the social conservatives on a national level for decades and Trump is just making that obvious.
 
Trump is a train wreck for the Republican party. He represents the degree that American values have been corrupted in general. There is nothing positive that can be said about his rising to the level that he has.

The values of conservatives in America nevertheless remain intact, and what American Republicans should do is support the candidate who actually believes in those values still.
It is more than lip service for some conservatives at least.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Trump is a train wreck for the Republican party. He represents the degree that American values have been corrupted in general. There is nothing positive that can be said about his rising to the level that he has.

The values of conservatives in America nevertheless remain intact, and what American Republicans should do is support the candidate who actually believes in those values still.
It is more than lip service for some conservatives at least.
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You can say what American Republicans should do, but the fact is they aren’t doing that. That might indicate that they are not the conservatives you seem to think they are.

TYPO: are should be aren’t.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Trump polls against HRC more poorly than Cruz. Cruz is more neck and neck in his polls against her.
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Real Clear Politics has Trump behind Clinton by 7 points (down from 11 a couple of weeks ago); Cruz is behind by 3. These polls are pretty useless in terms of predicting what will happen in the general election, after both conventions, world, national events from now until November. Two major things that hurt Romney were the 47% comment and the other one was Hurricane Sandy, which hit the New Jersey coast in the month leading up to the election (Christie bonding with Obama). I remember breathing a sigh of relief after that storm, because the silver lining was that I knew it would help Obama.

Anything can happen between now and November. Trump is high risk, a complete unknown, with a lot of baggage. Cruz is a known, very negative commodity. Cruz did not win a county, not a county, let alone a state, last Tuesday. He received 3 delegates. Total. Less than 12% of the vote in some states. This is not baggage it is cement.

Trump can pull from the center; Cruz cannot; Trump has momentum and can get people behind him; Cruz cannot.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Trump polls against HRC more poorly than Cruz. Cruz is more neck and neck in his polls against her.
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Only if you follow the National Review. The reality is that all republican sources have been scoffing Trump. Early on none of them took him serious, yet he found himself center stage at every debate. He has a lot of supporters show up at his rallies.

Remember early on how Cruz was name dropping people like Jeff Sessions and stated how only the both of them were “true” conservatives? Than Senator Sessions turns around and endorses Trump! Also look at the recent remarks from former speaker John Boehner. Hence, Ted is not well received among his peers.

All this turmoil is working in Hillary’s favor. Currently, she has a plethora of information to work with, starting with the fact that even the party doesn’t not want Trump…there are going to be some interesting debates.
 
Leo2014 said:
Only if you follow the National Review. The reality is that all republican sources have been scoffing Trump. Early on none of them took him serious, yet he found himself center stage at every debate. He has a lot of supporters show up at his rallies.

Remember early on how Cruz was name dropping people like Jeff Sessions and stated how only the both of them were “true” conservatives? Than Senator Sessions turns around and endorses Trump! Also look at the recent remarks from former speaker John Boehner. Hence, Ted is not well received among his peers.

All this turmoil is working in Hillary’s favor. Currently, she has a plethora of information to work with, starting with the fact that even the party doesn’t not want Trump…there are going to be some interesting debates.
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Do your sources show that Trump is polling well against Hillary?

Conservatives can hardly be blamed for not liking Trump either.
 
Leo2014 said:
Only if you follow the National Review. The reality is that all republican sources have been scoffing Trump. Early on none of them took him serious, yet he found himself center stage at every debate. He has a lot of supporters show up at his rallies.

Remember early on how Cruz was name dropping people like Jeff Sessions and stated how only the both of them were “true” conservatives? Than Senator Sessions turns around and endorses Trump! Also look at the recent remarks from former speaker John Boehner. Hence, Ted is not well received among his peers.

All this turmoil is working in Hillary’s favor. Currently, she has a plethora of information to work with, starting with the fact that even the party doesn’t not want Trump…there are going to be some interesting debates.
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She sure does have a plethora of information to work with, and the Republican Party gave it to her. And, if Cruz doesn’t win Indiana, it looks like Trump will reach 1,237 before the convention.

I think the debates will be more amusing than interesting. 😉
 
Darryl1958 said:
Trump is a train wreck for the Republican party. He represents the degree that American values have been corrupted in general. There is nothing positive that can be said about his rising to the level that he has.

The values of conservatives in America nevertheless remain intact, and what American Republicans should do is support the candidate who actually believes in those values still.
It is more than lip service for some conservatives at least.
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And yet Republicans are supporting Trump in droves.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
No, Hillary is polling well against Trump:

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
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I was pretty sure national review commentators aren’t making it all up.

I can’t imagine anyone who would otherwise have voted for an Obama or a Clinton would be compelled to switch their votes to support the xenophobic rhetoric that is Trump’s forte.

Trump has an appeal to a certain sector of American society who are the losers in the system and relish the idea of tearing it all down. He animates a segment of society who otherwise would stay home in apathy. He animates the substantial number of Americans whose attitude is “a pox on them all”.

Trump is their pox.

Other than that, Republicans are divided equally onto whether to jump onto his bandwagon in the remote chance that he does win, or abandon voting altogether.

I cannot see a winning formula in that.

For Democrats and liberals that is all well and good.
But for conservatives who are concerned about backing Cruz out of a feeling that he can’t win, even if Trump does win, it will not be a victory for conservatism.

And he is polling worse against Hillary than Cruz at any rate.
 
Darryl1958 said:
I was pretty sure national review commentators aren’t making it all up.

I can’t imagine anyone who would otherwise have voted for an Obama or a Clinton would be compelled to switch their votes to support the xenophobic rhetoric that is Trump’s forte.

Trump has an appeal to a certain sector of American society who are the losers in the system and relish the idea of tearing it all down. He animates a segment of society who otherwise would stay home in apathy. He animates the substantial number of Americans whose attitude is “a pox on them all”.

Trump is their pox.

Other than that, Republicans are divided equally onto whether to jump onto his bandwagon in the remote chance that he does win, or abandon voting altogether.

I cannot see a winning formula in that.

For Democrats and liberals that is all well and good.
But for conservatives who are concerned about backing Cruz out of a feeling that he can’t win, even if Trump does win, it will not be a victory for conservatism.

And he is polling worse against Hillary than Cruz at any rate.
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I agree with that.
 
Leo2014 said:
Only if you follow the National Review. The reality is that all republican sources have been scoffing Trump. Early on none of them took him serious, yet he found himself center stage at every debate. He has a lot of supporters show up at his rallies.

Remember early on how Cruz was name dropping people like Jeff Sessions and stated how only the both of them were “true” conservatives? Than Senator Sessions turns around and endorses Trump! Also look at the recent remarks from former speaker John Boehner. Hence, Ted is not well received among his peers.

All this turmoil is working in Hillary’s favor. Currently, she has a plethora of information to work with, starting with the fact that even the party doesn’t not want Trump…there are going to be some interesting debates.
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God love the National Review. Because of them I started to read Russell Kirk and Edmund Burke, and of course William Buckley. They are literally, along with Commentary, the best of the best in US intellectual conservatism.

Having said that, Rich Lowry thought Sarah Palin was a great pick for John McCain. He loved her. I saw him swooning about her in an interview. I rest my case. They are not great at picking winners. Of course they would respond that their higher duty is to conservative principles. I respect that and wish them well under the Clinton administration.

I think they’ll figure it out; necessity does strange things to people. If Trump will deal with the left, he’ll deal with the far right. If he will sell out the far right, he will sell out the left. We need a seat at the table, guys. And, no, Cruz is not the new Rubio. Get over it. It was nice while it lasted.
 
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