Boy Scouts - Gay acceptance

[Brendan]

While I could be wrong, I think the scouts are finished…

I think they’ll be around for awhile. Even Scouts Canada is still around, abiet they had to go fully co-ed to get the numbers back to levels that can keep the lights on.

But it is going to be the end of the BSA as having an effective lock on boys scouting programs. And that is not necessarily bad. Other countries run with Catholic scouting based programs, and that would not be a bad practice here.

My goal as a scouter is to develop boys into faith filled Catholic young men. Nothing more, nothing less. While I have lots of years invested in the BSA, it is simply a tool to achieve my goal, not the goal itself.

So if a better tool comes along, I will use that tool.

And this issue has really spawned some great programs that we are investigating.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I think they’ll be around for awhile. Even Scouts Canada is still around, abiet they had to go fully co-ed to get the numbers back to levels that can keep the lights on.

But it is going to be the end of the BSA as having an effective lock on boys scouting programs. And that is not necessarily bad. Other countries run with Catholic scouting based programs, and that would not be a bad practice here.

My goal as a scouter is to develop boys into faith filled Catholic young men. Nothing more, nothing less. While I have lots of years invested in the BSA, it is simply a tool to achieve my goal, not the goal itself.

So if a better tool comes along, I will use that tool.

And this issue has really spawned some great programs that we are investigating.

I have long thought it would be better to have Catholic scouting. I understand that in some places that has effectively been the case, at least up to now. The only thing is, there are areas where there are not enough Catholics to really do it; mine included. Realizing some would criticize the notion, I think it would be reasonable for Catholics in areas like mine to join up with some of the protestant groups (Evangelicals, Mormons, Fundamentalists) that have a strong moral sense in a cooperative, non-denom but basically Christian organization.

As the old concept of itself as a Christian nation holding certain virtues important notwithstanding denomination dies out in this country, (and it’s dying fast) institutions will need to be created to serve those whose concepts are inconsistent with the pagan culture that is replacing the old unifying, national culture.

 

[Isaiah45_9]

A boy that thinks he is a girl and/or likes other boys is consequently the opposite of a natural boy. Which by nature is a girl.

Then, What is the whole purpose to be called Boy Scouts anymore?

Why not just change the name to Scouts and merge the Boy and Girl Scouts into one single organization?

I mean, if you are going to give in to social pressure you might as well go all the way…

 

[Brendan]

A boy that thinks he is a girl and/or likes other boys is consequently the opposite of a natural boy. Which by nature is a girl…

No his nature is still that of ‘boy’, it is the attraction that is disordered, not the nature of the person themselves. Catholic philosophy does not define the nature of a person by their sexual attractions.

 

[Brendan]

I Realizing some would criticize the notion, I think it would be reasonable for Catholics in areas like mine to join up with some of the protestant groups (Evangelicals, Mormons, Fundamentalists) that have a strong moral sense in a cooperative, non-denom but basically Christian organization…

I agree wholeheartly. Generariclly Christiand is preferable to secular, and Decididly Catholic is preferable to both.

A great example of what you noted would be American Heritage Girls. As a generically Christian org, it is preferable to a secular org such as Girl Scouts. That is why my girls are in AHG.

So far I haven’t seen anything decidedly Catholic around here for girls. If something came along, that would bear serious consideration.

FYI, AHG is in the process of developing such a generically Christian program, currently called "Faith Based Boys’, but that name will change.

faithbasedboys.org/

 

[buffalo]

Why is the only option promoting promiscuity? Certainly wholesome ordered sexuality is part of growing up and should be cultivated not placed in the same box as disordered inclinations.

That is where the rubber meets the road and if you do you will be slapped down as an intolerant bigot.

 

[LaSainte]

Personally, I think the Boy Scouts has always been just about the gayest organization out there for kids. The only thing that has changed is now they are publicly so.

 

[Cat_Herder]

Personally, I think the Boy Scouts has always been just about the gayest organization out there for kids. The only thing that has changed is now they are publicly so.

As a former unit commissioner who once had the duty of trying to get more boys to join the BSA, I can tell you that this is the #2 reason that boys give for not joining. #1 is that sports are better. It turns out that the boys knew better than any of us after all.

 

[Isaiah45_9]

No his nature is still that of ‘boy’, it is the attraction that is disordered, not the nature of the person themselves. Catholic philosophy does not define the nature of a person by their sexual attractions.

I was referring to the nature of gender. The opposite of boy is girl and vice versa. When I said the nature of a boy I was referring to gender, which there are only two, no other philosophical proposal.

 

[LaSainte]

As a former unit commissioner who once had the duty of trying to get more boys to join the BSA, I can tell you that this is the #2 reason that boys give for not joining. #1 is that sports are better. It turns out that the boys knew better than any of us after all.

Crazy. Even SNL used to have that skit with Alec Baldwin as the gay scout leader trying to hit on all the kids.

 

[Brendan]

I was referring to the nature of gender…

Understood, but the attraction does not define the gender. So is does not follow that having a disordered attraction results in a diametrically opposite gender.

 

[Cat_Herder]

Crazy. Even SNL used to have that skit with Alec Baldwin as the gay scout leader trying to hit on all the kids.

For all the jesting, there is a reason why the BSA carries a homosexual connotation in the mainstream culture. It’s a shame, because there have been so many virtuous boys and men in and produced by the BSA over the years. And you would think that with that kind of history, allowing openly homosexual youth in the organization would be unthinkable. It was, just one year ago.

The value of my Eagle Scout badge continues to decline by the day.

 

[LaSainte]

For all the jesting, there is a reason why the BSA carries a homosexual connotation in the mainstream culture. It’s a shame, because there have been so many virtuous boys and men in and produced by the BSA over the years. And you would think that with that kind of history, allowing openly homosexual youth in the organization would be unthinkable. It was, just one year ago.

The value of my Eagle Scout badge continues to decline by the day.

Wow. Disturbed people who want to abuse young boys will gravitate toward any profession that allows them to do it. In their minds, I’m sure many of them even thought the way NAMBLA thinks: that they can actually have caring, mutually consensual sexual relationships with these kids. As twisted as it is, I’m sure a lot of priests felt the same way and a lot of teachers and coaches do too.

Sadly, you always have to wonder about the guy who shows just a hair too much interest in your child, gives your child a baseball cap from his favorite team, buys him an ice cream, helps him with his homework, etc. It is a twisted world and
Parents need to be constantly on the lookout.

At this point, there is no way I would let my kid join the scouts unless their dad was the leader. You never know.

And as much as I would LOVE for my boys to be altar boys, I have to admit that it makes me a little nervous too

 

[Faithdancer]

And once their next goal is acheived- normalizing homosexual scout leadership, then those who are making it their agenda to force homosexuality onto the Boy Scouts will move onto phase II- removing any and all references to God. Of course, they are are already working on these two goals simultaneously, the militant atheists backing the militant homosexualists on every front, including in many other areas of traditional values besides the Boy Scouts of America.

 

[CopticChristian]

Southern Baptist Convention and Assemblies of God Respond to Boy Scouts’ Decision; Predict Many Churches Will Stop Sponsoring Scout Troops

blackchristiannews.com/news/2013/05/southern-baptist-convention-and-assemblies-of-god-respond-to-boy-scouts-decision-predict-many-church.html

“Frankly, I can’t imagine a Southern Baptist pastor who would continue to allow his church to sponsor a Boy Scout troop under these new rules,” said Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. “I predict there will be a mass exodus of Southern Baptists and other conservative Christians from the Boy Scouts.”

The “supposed compromise” satisfies no one and signals the BSA will only become more inclusive of gays, Land said.

and

The following is a statement from the Assembles of God in the wake of the Boy Scouts of America’s (BSA) decision to remove its ban on openly gay members:

We believe that the BSA policy change will lead to a mass exodus from the Boy Scout program, as Assemblies of God and many other churches can no longer support groups that are part of an organization allowing members who are openly homosexual. However, as a positive alternative, we offer a program–the Royal Rangers–that operates with values consistent to that of the BSA prior to today’s change.

and there they go…

fox16.com/content/news/state/story/Church-Revokes-Charter-of-Boy-Scout-Troop-Due-to/mllUfkf7Ik6zxHPtpO9YTQ.cspx

Church Revokes Charter of Boy Scout Troop Due to Gay Member Policy Change

JACKSONVILLE, Ark. – A local church has opted to terminate its charter of a local Boy Scout troop, effective immediately, after Boy Scouts of America decided to lift a ban on openly gay troop members last week.

and those of days gone by say this…

eaglebadges.tumblr.com/

Dear Sirs:

We, three brothers, return our Eagle Scout awards in protest of the Boy Scouts of America’s discrimination against gay scouts and leaders. We feel this policy directly contradicts scouting values and hinders BSA’s ability to serve and help boys. We are distressed that we feel we have to take this course.

If you are in the BSA, if you are an Eagle Scout…what do you think about this…Exodus…is it something like what we are seeing in

**Wrongly Dividing the Body of Christ…**seen here…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=766675

 

[CopticChristian]

Personally, I think the Boy Scouts has always been just about the gayest organization out there for kids. The only thing that has changed is now they are publicly so.

Personally, I have no idea how you came to think that, may I ask how it is you have always thought that?

 

[CopticChristian]

Crazy. Even SNL used to have that skit with Alec Baldwin as the gay scout leader trying to hit on all the kids.

Well of course this makes sense…

The Bassomatic…
Samurai chef
Two Wild and Crazy Guys

all of these and I am sure there are others speak of reality…

your reality

 

[CopticChristian]

For all the jesting, there is a reason why the BSA carries a homosexual connotation in the mainstream culture. It’s a shame, because there have been so many virtuous boys and men in and produced by the BSA over the years. And you would think that with that kind of history, allowing openly homosexual youth in the organization would be unthinkable. It was, just one year ago.

The value of my Eagle Scout badge continues to decline by the day.

Cat,

There are priests, pastors, Scout leaders, Senators, Presdents, etc…that would fall into this category of abuse…it is commonly known as a relationship of imbalance of power that the person in power abuses…it crosses all strata of society.

It is like the Policeman, Fireman, etc rapist…people are people and to believe that anyone person in a position of authority will not misuse it, knowing that they have the potential to misuse it, can and do misuse it…

I unfortunately had a recent experience with a 21 year old man that was a city Parks and Recreation worker that worked at a kid center and he was arrested for things he should not be doing. I discovered something, reported it, and I am pleased to say his life has changed.

It is not the organization…it is the people that either go looking to do what they do in these organizations or that in these organizations find that they can do what they do…

 

[CopticChristian]

Here is a pastor writing in:

Letter: Nice to see Boy Scouts welcoming gay youth

and the following Comment…

Rick Bridenbaker
Once again I notice many commenters who seem to think that the issue of ‘being gay’ is something that’s open for discussion and a fit subject for debate. It’s not. Beyond your own personal opinion you would have no more right in this discussion than if you were still debating the merits of keeping blacks in slavery or keeping women from voting.

Someone ‘being gay’ is no longer subject to your approval or disapproval. It’s also not subject to the approval or disapproval of your own particular religious faiths either. In a secular society this is strictly a matter of civil rights and if you would hold to step on the civil rights of someone else then you’d be no different than those who opposed the freeing of the slaves and the granting of voting rights to women.

Whatever scriptures you may be following don’t forget that in a Constitutional Republic ‘everyone’ is granted the right to life, LIBERTY and the pursuit of happiness no matter how much you would wish to deprive them of it.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

A boy that thinks he is a girl and/or likes other boys is consequently the opposite of a natural boy. Which by nature is a girl.

Then, What is the whole purpose to be called Boy Scouts anymore?

Why not just change the name to Scouts and merge the Boy and Girl Scouts into one single organization?

I mean, if you are going to give in to social pressure you might as well go all the way…

Sexual attraction doesn’t define a person’s sex.