I’m glad you agree. Trump certainly had his chances to press the process to its limits. He probably filed more lawsuits than all the other presidential candidates in history - something like 60 of them. He had all the opportunities, all the due process and more. He lost this election on Nov 3, and then 60 more times in court. The voters have spoken. The courts have ruled. The electoral college has voted. Its over.Sure, but it isn’t necessary for the process to work. Four years go the process worked. Today the process worked.
And we should all celebrate the right to do so.I’m glad you agree. Trump certainly had his chances to press the process to its limits.
I’m sure you’ll join me in celebrating the right to due process.He probably filed more lawsuits than all the other presidential candidates in history - something like 60 of them. He had all the opportunities, all the due process and more.
Exactly. Joe Biden is now President-Elect Biden. He will be the 46th president of the United States. I will not refer to as “46”. I will use his name.He lost this election on Nov 3, and then 60 more times in court. The voters have spoken. The courts have ruled. The electoral college has voted. Its over.
That was the incumbent, who is not a Democrat. he tried to have faithless electors sent.Who is trying to undo the electoral college, other than Democrats?
I can join you in celebrating the rule of law, and celebrating that the system worked.I’m sure you’ll join me in celebrating the right to due process.
Even today, there are calls from Democrats to do away with the EC. There is an ongoing attempt by some states to undermine its integrity by potentially taking a state’s electors and applying them to the fictitious national plebiscite instead of that state’s majority. This is the greatest attempt at voter suppression since the old Democrat south.That was the incumbent, who is not a Democrat. he tried to have faithless electors sent.
Do you think Trump should have been denied access to the courts?I can join you in celebrating the rule of law, and celebrating that the system worked.
Jumping in, I think Trump should have held his fire and not filed over 60 lawsuits. It was abusing the courts because he lost.Do you think Trump should have been denied access to the courts?
No. But I think he and his lawyers should have refrained from making frivolous arguments, and that he should stop making absurd and baseless claims of massive fraud. You say you are concerned with undermining our electoral system. Doesn’t the sitting president making up fanciful stories of massive fraud undermine our system more dramatically than any of the Democrat behavior you have complained of?Do you think Trump should have been denied access to the courts?
Good. Defending his right to do so, but disagreeing with his choice.Jumping in, I think Trump should have held his fire and not filed over 60 lawsuits. It was abusing the courts because he lost.
He could, but he shouldn’t have.
Same as above. Defend his right to access the courts, even while disagreeing with the choice.No. But I think he and his lawyers should have refrained from making frivolous arguments, and that he should stop making absurd and baseless claims of massive fraud.
No. Not at all. The EC met yesterday and selected President-elect Biden. In every way, the process as worked.You say you are concerned with undermining our electoral system. Doesn’t the sitting president making up fanciful stories of massive fraud undermine our system more dramatically than any of the Democrat behavior you have complained of?
There have long been those who believed that the Electoral College has outlived it’s usefullness and should be abolished.Even today, there are calls from Democrats to do away with the EC.
It’s usefulness that those progressives who oppose it speak of is the roll it plays in federalism, in maintaining some level of state influence over the general government they created. These same people also want to eliminate the senate for the same reason. It is in keeping with the progressive movement for 100 years: opposition to limited government and the primacy of individual rights.There have long been those who believed that the Electoral College has outlived it’s usefullness and should be abolished.
I oppose both, but attempts to abolish it have a far greater and disastrous impact on liberty and the republic than attempts to use faithless electors that virtually always fail. They failed in 2016 and yesterday.But I cannot believe that you don’t see the difference between believing it should be abolished, and actual attempts to subvert it
Probably since 1787 or so.There have long been those who believed that the Electoral College has outlived it’s usefullness and should be abolished.
I don’t understand how the EC “outlived” it’s usefulness? Either it is useful or it is not.Probably since 1787 or so.
That’s untrue. Left leaning folks accepted that Trump was the legitimate President. They didn’t care for him but accepted he was valid.(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
Wouldn’t that be the opposite of voter suppression? The EC system prioritizes the votes of those living in small states more than those living in big states.There is an ongoing attempt by some states to undermine its integrity by potentially taking a state’s electors and applying them to the fictitious national plebiscite instead of that state’s majority. This is the greatest attempt at voter suppression since the old Democrat south.
I often wonder if Trump really believed he was legitimate.That’s untrue. Left leaning folks accepted that Trump was the legitimate President. They didn’t care for him but accepted he was valid.
Sounds like you are saying he excluded potentially criminal offenses from his disclosures to congress???Mueller spun stuff out to US Attorneys, so we don’t know