Can we stop arguing and support each other?

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Vanny i agree that you have to look to the health of your own soul first.

Personally i think there is a movement which has taken over one side of politics and is anti Christian. So from my perspective i think it is important to tell truth from a Christian witness.

I think to some degree we are in the mess we are in now because for decades Christians did not speak up to oppose a movement that blatantly opposes them. For decades we were fed this ‘who am i to judge’ nonsense together with fallacious attacks on Christian history from everything from Galileo to the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades and even Hitler’s pope’. It is much like this white supremacy nonsense we hear now which gets people to shut up. Unfortunately we Christians did shut up and the people pushing for us to shut up are now running the nations morals, largely again through media and the education systems.

But to re-iterate. I do completely agree with looking after the health of your own soul first if it is in danger.

We can be most effective witnesses for Christ, in whatever capacity, when in a state of grace.
 
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MikeInVA said:
When only about half of the people in the U.S. pay federal taxes, it’s actually a valid point of discussion.
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I agree with this. When economic inequality is so bad that only half of people qualify for taxes then massive wealth redistribution is required.
 
ioannes_pius said:
I hope the irony that at least four different arguments have broken out on a “[c]an we stop arguing” thread is not lost on anyone here.
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It is not lost on me, though sometimes I confuse thread titles. I at least will try to be gentle in my approach on this thread though. We need at least one corner of more civil discussion, remembering that we all still have much more in common than we have differences.
 
puer.dei said:
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DeniseNY:
I think the general attitude is “YES! Let’s all stop arguing and support each other. But I have a righteous ax to grind, so YOU stop”.
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Nailed it!!
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Yes she did with flying colors.
 
 
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I think the whataboutism happens because the liberals really do have control over the spaces where a lot of public discourse happens, with more resources to paint the other side as bad and themselves a saintly.

We’re not talking about two little kids in a sandbox where a scuffle broke out.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
I think the whataboutism happens because the liberals really do have control over the spaces where a lot of public discourse happens, with more resources to paint the other side as bad and themselves a saintly.

We’re not talking about two little kids in a sandbox where a scuffle broke out.
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Here on this forum, there was a lot of: What about Obama?. What about H Clinton? It was rampant amongst Trump defenders.
 
Right, because a lot of us are conservative, and to be a conservative means to be under constant sneers and attacks in the press and in entertainment, while watching real liberal shenanigans go unmentioned or just a passing mention.

People get weary and need to vent.

And even need to reality check, to some extent (“am I really a cold-hearted-meanie-poopyhead because I voted against Obama?”)
 
Annie said:
Like these people?
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Hey, that is something I can support you on! Unless Trump goes “too far” whatever that means, I would hope we can agree it would be best for pardon and forgiveness to rule versus retaliation.

I am reminded of the end of that Hunger Game series where the leader of the rebellion want to start by throwing the loser kids into the arena. Now is the chance for Democrats to show the hypocrisy, or their character.
 
Yes I agree. Christians did not speak up for decades when they should have.
The radical left(not all Democrats) is frightening to me.
 
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Yes I had to block a person on my FB page who supports these tactics. It is straight up totalitarianism. I was shocked as this person claims to be a believer.
As I said on another thread, Joe Biden needs to quickly denounce this stuff if he wants healing.
 
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Vanny said:
Yes I agree. Christians did not speak up for decades when they should have.
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Not entirely true.

Lots of Christians objected every step of the way, but it was ineffective, or they were called names and were made into cruel caricatures, or the courts blocked them or they were simply ignored.

But there were a lot of people who stood by and did nothing, too.
 
StudentMI said:
Catholic social teaching.
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“The Church doesn’t present a program for the best economic system, but rather moral principles applicable to how we should organize our economic lives. Broadly speaking, because the Church affirms the right to private property and to profit-making businesses, it can be said to support some form of market economy (Centesimus Annus 34–35).

Catholic teaching rejects socialism, insofar as socialism involves government ownership of the means of production or hyperregulation of the use of property by its owners. Likewise, the Church rejects Marxism and Communism (CCC 2425).

At the same time, Catholic teaching recognizes limits to the market economy’s ability to provide a just distribution of the earth’s resources when left entirely to itself. Here Catholic teaching rejects extreme economic libertarianism and affirms reasonable regulation of the marketplace as important to the common good (CCC 2425).

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“extreme economic libertarianism“ This is Laissez Faire Capitalism that was prevalent during the gilded age. No one is advocating for a return to this. Neither am I.

“He (St. John Paul II) wrote to the bishops of Brazil, encouraging them to make sure the “correct and necessary theology of liberation” develop there and in Latin America. His concern stemmed from Marxist interpretations of Christian liberation that were popular in Latin America and elsewhere.

Without rejecting the idea that the gospel, properly understood, can help foster nonviolent liberation from oppression and domination, John Paul II and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under him rejected Marxist forms of liberation theology.

The Church’s criticism of Marxist liberation theology includes its transformation of every aspect of theology and faith into political terms. “Liberation” is reduced to political praxis or activity and political praxis is reduced to Marxism—expressed with adapted Christian ideas, terms, and practices. The gospel of the kingdom of God, which begins in human history and yet ultimately transcends it, becomes, according to Marxist liberation theology, achievable in history through political praxis to overthrow political, economic, and cultural oppression (or what is interpreted as such). Marxist liberation tends to see the gospel’s love for the poor as involving “class struggle,” and the resurrection of Jesus and the Eucharist are emblems of political revolution.

The genuine liberation theology of Catholic social teaching roots liberation in the transformation of the human person through spiritual redemption and renewal in Jesus Christ. The Church’s social teaching opposes social injustice, yet, while striving to eradicate sin in society, brings about reconciliation and human solidarity—not class struggle and the reduction of the fullness of the kingdom of God to a human reality in history.”

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Mark Brumley
 
StudentMI said:
Right now I’m interested in autonomist Marxism.
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I’m surprised anybody these days is interested in Marxism. The failure, misery, and tyranny of all societies that attempted to implement Karl Marx’s ideas should convince people that Marxism belongs in the garbage heap of history.
 
Duke12VonFalkenburg said:
I’m surprised anybody these days is interested in Marxism. The failure, misery, and tyranny of all societies that attempted to implement Karl Marx’s ideas should convince people that Marxism belongs in the garbage heap of history.
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Best to learn that history though, lest we be condemned to repeat it.
 
Yeah. I feel like it’s become a fad these days for professors and teachers to say that Marxism deserves a second chance.

On top of that I feel like history is being extremely neglected in American Education.
 
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