Catholic democrats?

[dbrown]

fix:

Is it not logical for one to conclude from these words that you equate abortion on par with other non life issues? Please state plainly what you are saying?

I feel that abortion is evil and has to be stopped but i will not ignore all the other evils in the world and only focus on abortion. I believe that abortion is the worst thing that occurs in todays society, but its not the only thing. Thats as simple as I can put it. God bless
p.s when I started this thread I stated that bush is not pro-life. he’s not he is pro birth. big difference. his policys do not help the newly born not help for medical no help for the mentally ill. our local mentall hospital is being closed because of the lack of state funds. If he was pro life he would be for all life. he shure didnt have a problem with killing all the people on death row in texas he wouldnt even think about stopping an execution… nor will he stop killing innocent people in other countries. That is how i conclude that he is pro birth not pro life. EVERYONE deserves LIFE.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Why am I getting a sense that there is a big

but

in the sentence “I am against abortion…”

 

[Brad]

dbrown:

Once again Where am I incorrect? And my views are The Church’s views. If not Where? and don’t say abortion I don’t vote for nor do I condone abortion…

In saying that it is ok to vote for Kerry. In saying that the Iraq war is just as bad as abortion. In implying that other issues justify voting for a pro-abortion candidate.

 

[fix]

dbrown:

I feel that abortion is evil and has to be stopped but i will not ignore all the other evils in the world and only focus on abortion. I believe that abortion is the worst thing that occurs in todays society, but its not the only thing. Thats as simple as I can put it. God bless

Let us put feelings aside and look to Church teaching. When voting abortion trumps all other non life issues at this time.

 

[Brad]

dbrown:

I feel that abortion is evil and has to be stopped but i will not ignore all the other evils in the world and only focus on abortion. I believe that abortion is the worst thing that occurs in todays society, but its not the only thing. Thats as simple as I can put it. God bless

So what is the point of saying this? Is it to justify voting for pro-abortion candidates or not? I thought it was. Am I wrong? Do you think it is ok for a Catholic to vote for Kerry or Hillary Clinton or not?

 

[vern_humphrey]

dbrown:

That would be very improper. any way what i confide to my priest is between me an him if you cannot take me on my own word i’m sorry…

Then just tell us your parish. We can send them a general set of questions on the pastor’s positions on abortion.

 

[felra]

dbrown:

I feel that abortion is evil and has to be stopped **but **i will not ignore all the other evils in the world and only focus on abortion. I believe that abortion is the worst thing that occurs in todays society, but its not the only thing. Thats as simple as I can put it. God bless

But, …I refuse to vote for the candidate of the electable 2 party system who is most able to positiviely influence the courts who determine the law of the land; but, …I will equate other global and social ill issues to water down the preeminent moral and societal issue (abortion on demand) that is the blight upon our society; but,…that’s as simple as I can put it.

 

[dbrown]

Brad:

In saying that it is ok to vote for Kerry. In saying that the Iraq war is just as bad as abortion. In implying that other issues justify voting for a pro-abortion candidate.

The Pope himself said that kerry could not be refused the Holy Eucharist. The Iraq war is horrible. not as bad abortion. in some instances it would be ok to vote for a pro abortionist. so was again where am i wrong.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Brad:

So what is the point of saying this? Is it to justify voting for pro-abortion candidates or not? I thought it was. Am I wrong? Do you think it is ok for a Catholic to vote for Kerry or Hillary Clinton or not?

Congress works through committees. The committee chairmen have enormous power. And the committee chairmen are the senior members of the majority party.

One has merely to survey the leadership of the Democrat Party and see who would become committee chairmen in the event the Democrats became majority party again.

Can someone tell me ONE ranking Democrat who is pro-life?

 

[fix]

dbrown:

The Pope himself said that kerry could not be refused the Holy Eucharist. The Iraq war is horrible. not as bad abortion. in some instances it would be ok to vote for a pro abortionist. so was again where am i wrong.

When did the Pope say such a thing?

 

[Ani_Ibi]

dbrown:

The poe himself said that kerry could not be refused the Holy Eucharist. The Iraq war is horrible. not as bad abortion. in some instances it would be ok to vote for a pro abortionist. so was again where am i wrong

Abortion is not a proportional evil. The harm to the unborn baby is absolute, not proportional. And therefore the harm cannot be measured against any benefit. To understand this, it is necessary to discuss the application of the Catholic Doctrine of Double Effect. The upshot is that voting for a pro-abortionist cannot be justified for a Catholic – period.

 

[vern_humphrey]

dbrown:

The Pope himself said that kerry could not be refused the Holy Eucharist. The Iraq war is horrible. not as bad abortion. in some instances it would be ok to vote for a pro abortionist. so was again where am i wrong.

Well, first of all, you could re-write that in Englishhttp://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif

Can you quote where the Pope said Kerry could not be refused the Holy Eucharist?

Can you tell us WHEN it would be OK to vote for a pro-abortionist?

 

[Tantum_ergo]

The Pope himself said that kerry could not be refused the Holy Eucharist.

That’s strange. . .all the news articles and reports that I Googled say that the Pope said that Kerry, and other “pro abortion” Catholic politicians SHOULD be refused the Eucharist. . .

 

[dbrown]

But, …I refuse to vote for the candidate of the electable 2 party system who is most able to positiviely influence the courts who determine the law of the land; but, …I will equate other global and social ill issues to water down the preeminent moral and societal issue (abortion on demand) that is the blight upon our society; but,…that’s as simple as I can put it.

And thats ok with me.

 

[dbrown]

vern humphrey:

Well, first of all, you could re-write that in Englishhttp://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif

Can you quote where the Pope said Kerry could not be refused the Holy Eucharist?

Can you tell us WHEN it would be OK to vote for a pro-abortionist?

If we had a modern day hitler running for office that was pro-life.

 

[dbrown]

vern humphrey:

Well, first of all, you could re-write that in Englishhttp://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif

Can you quote where the Pope said Kerry could not be refused the Holy Eucharist?

Can you tell us WHEN it would be OK to vote for a pro-abortionist?

I really can’t remember it was on the news. On Fox I think. remember kerry said he personally does not agree with abortion…like it or not…

 

[vern_humphrey]

dbrown:

If we had a modern day hitler running for office that was pro-life.

How could a Hitler – modern day or the original – be pro-life?

You do understand that Hitler presided over the Holocaust? He didn’t kill as MANY humans as our pro-abortion politicians and judges have, but he killed a whole big bunch!

 

[Brad]

dbrown:

The Pope himself said that kerry could not be refused the Holy Eucharist. The Iraq war is horrible. not as bad abortion. in some instances it would be ok to vote for a pro abortionist. so was again where am i wrong.

Where is this information coming from? The Pope did not say Kerry could not be refused the Eucharist. If I am wrong, provide a link to such a statement. The Pope (and his congregations) HAS said that it is not ok to vote for a pro abortionist unless there are proportionate (worse) things promoted by the only other alternate candidate.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

dbrown:

And thats ok with me.

Putting ‘but’ in the same sentence as “I am against abortion” is not ok with me and it is not ok with the Church.

Abortion is about absolute harm. No benefit exists which could counterbalance an absolute harm.

Let’s put our cards on the table.

Are you against abortion?
Are you against voting for pro-abortion politicians?

Yes or no. No buts please.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Brad:

Where is this information coming from? The Pope did not say Kerry could not be refused the Eucharist. If I am wrong, provide a link to such a statement. The Pope (and his congregations) HAS said that it is not ok to vote for a pro abortionist unless there are proportionate (worse) things promoted by the only other alternate candidate.

Actually, what the Pope and congregations said was that if ALL candidates are pro-abortion, we should make a proportional calculation, and vote for the lesser of two evils.

The Pope, nor any Vatican authority EVER said there is anything that would justify voting for a pro-abortion candidate if there is a pro-life choice.