Catholic democrats?

[Ani_Ibi]

dbrown:

NO I DON"T think it’s ok to have an abortion. NO I Don’t think its ok that 45’000 babies have died, but whats bush doing about it he has said that he would not do away with abortion. All he can seem to do is lie. say one thing and then another. I agree with all the Church teaches, ALL of it. We should love one another and spread peace. If I was Called to any war I would be a concousis objector in any situation. Murder is wrong. remember on these situations its up to the person to decide if it would be sinful. and by the way we have tons of bio and chemical agents. anthrax, v-x gas and a multitude of others contact you local army recruiter he will probably brag about the fact… To make my point final i hate sin ALL sin including abortion. I also hate war, poverty, and all others that this president has turned his back to.

Who to vote for then? Any talk down there about starting a new political party? We have the same problem up here in Canada. Who to vote for?

 

[Brad]

dbrown:

This is true but they are all important. Does anyone here have anything nice to say to one another.

I’ve got plenty of nice things to say such as you were made in the image and likeness of God, and so was Kerry, and so was every aborted baby. This is the beauty of life. God loves every one of us and we reflect His love by reciprocating in kind as best we possibly can. We cannot kill and/or say it’s ok and be in union with Him. Directly, indirectly, round-aboutly, or any other way.

 

[dbrown]

Tyler Smedley:

Remember that you started this post with an inflamitory statement and now you are trying to look like a peacemaker…not going to work . Sometimes it take a lot of humility to accept that you are wrong and move on.

I didn’t see anything inflamitory about it. And now your sayin I’m not for peace. Shame on you… Peace be with you.

 

[Brad]

Tyler Smedley:

Does anyone know where we can find the ways to participate in the sin of another…we need a link…

The 9 Ways We Participate in Others’ Sins
By counsel
By command
By consent
By provocation
By praise or flattery
By concealment
By partaking
By silence
By defense of the ill done

 

[vern_humphrey]

dbrown:

Where did I say all sins are equal. I said all issues are important some more important than others, but they are all important.

“All issues are important.”

A bill to outlaw picking your nose in public, or to make it illegal for your underwear to show is important!? I don’t think so!

There are only a few things that are really important.

Guarenteeing every living human being the right to life – that’s important.

Providing a first-class education for every child? That’s important.

Fixing Social Security so our children and grandchildren are not impoverished? That’s important.

Providing prescription drug coverage for senior citizens, for the first time in American history? That’s important.

Winning the War on Terror? That’s important.

 

[Brad]

dbrown:

And the “truth” is all of what the Church teaches. Not one issue. Im done on this particular thread it’s going no where. I will remember to stay out of posts like this one in the future and go on ones where I might actually help someone or clarify something. I feel much hate in some of these posts. try to spread a little love it goes a long way…

Can you or anyone identify a “hateful” comment on this thread? Or is it that you just don’t like disagreement. Is disagreeing being unloving? Where did Jesus say this?

 

[Tyler_Smedley]

Brad:

The 9 Ways We Participate in Others’ Sins
By counsel
By command
By consent
By provocation
By praise or flattery
By concealment
By partaking
By silence
By defense of the ill done

Exellent! And I think what he finds hateful is that people are taking the other side and making more sense then he is…

 

[Ani_Ibi]

dbrown:

Where did I say all sins are equal. I said all issues are important some more important than others, but they are all important.

I think what people are talking about is the wisdom of setting priorities, of choosing our battles, and of having a sense of proportion.

Ending the lies and the oppression of abortion is very high up there on the list of priorities for Catholics. Abortion is a radical and manifest evil. It is not poverty, rape, war, youth, prostitution, or any similar thing which causes abortion. It is political correctness. If you have any doubt then sample the discussion topics at a society tea.

Abortion is a radical and manifest evil. It ends lives for unborn babies and ruins lives for those who survive.

 

[Tyler_Smedley]

funny how people always come on and say the exact same reasons that abortion disquallifies a pro-abortion canidate from voting…the Truth is making head way.

 

[felra]

Brad:

Can you or anyone identify a “hateful” comment on this thread? Or is it that you just don’t like disagreement. Is disagreeing being unloving? Where did Jesus say this?

Quite the contrary:

Matthew**, *Chapter 16:23 ***“He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle to me. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do.’”

Matthew**, *Chapter 23:23 ***"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites.”

 

[dbrown]

Brad:

Can you or anyone identify a “hateful” comment on this thread? Or is it that you just don’t like disagreement. Is disagreeing being unloving? Where did Jesus say this?

Whats hatefull is that you presume that i support abortion I don’t that my views are some how inferior to yours or the others, that my views aren’t in line with Church teaching. Thats hateful. I don’t presume to really know your views. so dont try to with mine. I thought I might enjoy trying out this forum and I was wrong. tell me what im wrong about I would love to know. Considering that my priest says that i’m in line with church teaching…

 

[felra]

dbrown:

Whats hatefull is that you presume that i support abortion I don’t that my views are some how inferior to yours or the others, that my views aren’t in line with Church teaching. Thats hateful. I don’t presume do really know your views. so dont try to with mine. I thought I might enjoy trying out this forum and I was wrong. tell me what im wrong about I would love to know. Considering that my priest says that i’m in line with church teaching…

This is dialogue. You’re sounding defensive instead of presenting your case in a convincing manner…and if unable to do so, pull out the local priest/religious/Church “authority”, … who “says…”. Thank you for coming to the forums, but, please, if all you want is a hand holding circle and harmonious chorus of Kumbayahs, then you are going to have to look elsewhere. Maybe take a breath and try again another day. God bless.

 

[dbrown]

felra:

This is dialogue. You’re sounding defensive instead of presenting your case in a convincing manner…and if unable to do so, pull out the local priest/religious/Church “authority”, … who “says…”. Thank you for coming to the forums, but, please, if all you want is a hand holding circle and harmonious chorus of Kumbayahs, then you are going to have to look elsewhere. Maybe take a breath and try again another day. God bless.

You didn’t answer my question how am I wrong, on what point. Thank,s and God bless

 

[fix]

dbrown:

Whats hatefull is that you presume that i support abortion I don’t that my views are some how inferior to yours or the others, that my views aren’t in line with Church teaching. Thats hateful. I don’t presume to really know your views. so dont try to with mine. I thought I might enjoy trying out this forum and I was wrong. tell me what im wrong about I would love to know. Considering that my priest says that i’m in line with church teaching…

If your priest told you abortion is equal to poverty or economic issues, then he needs remediation in catechesis.

 

[Brad]

dbrown:

Whats hatefull is that you presume that i support abortion I don’t that my views are some how inferior to yours or the others, that my views aren’t in line with Church teaching. Thats hateful. I don’t presume to really know your views. so dont try to with mine. I thought I might enjoy trying out this forum and I was wrong. tell me what im wrong about I would love to know. Considering that my priest says that i’m in line with church teaching…

Anyone can find an advocate (priest or otherwise) but there is only one Jesus Christ, 1 redeemer, and 1 judge.

For the second time, I did not say that you support abortion. I said that if you vote for someone that votes for funding, promoting, and legalizaing abortion then you support abortion. Even if I had said that and it was untrue, it would not be a hateful comment but rather an uninformed one.

I never said your views are inferior to mine. I am simply defending the teaching of the Church, which is not my view but the view of Jesus Christ, who is God Himself. On the contrary to being hateful, proclaiming the Truth of Him in whom we were all made and outside of whom we have not life, is a very loving thing to do. There are other things I could do. I do this because I love God and He told us to love our neighbors - this is one of my feeble attempts to do so.

Your first reaction to learning that you may be incorrect is never joy - it is an uncomfortable feeling due to a degree of mind conflict. This is not bad - this is good. I pray that you stick with it. Jesus never said we would always be comfortable. He said we had to pick up crosses - and we know where those crosses lead - it is never easy but always right to follow Him.

 

[dbrown]

fix:

If your priest told you abortion is equal to poverty or economic issues, then he needs remediation in catechesis.

He didn’t. I said all issues are important… Yes abortion is at the top of the list. But there are others that need attention also. my point is that yall cannot say that i’m not inline with church teaching i’ve made myself clear where I stand and that with the Holy Catholic Church on EVERYTHING!!!

 

[vern_humphrey]

dbrown:

You didn’t answer my question how am I wrong, on what point. Thank,s and God bless

Can you give us your priest’s name and email address so we can ask him directly and see if you are accurate in what you say about him?

 

[dbrown]

Brad:

Anyone can find an advocate (priest or otherwise) but there is only one Jesus Christ, 1 redeemer, and 1 judge.

For the second time, I did not say that you support abortion. I said that if you vote for someone that votes for funding, promoting, and legalizaing abortion then you support abortion. Even if I had said that and it was untrue, it would not be a hateful comment but rather an uninformed one.

I never said your views are inferior to mine. I am simply defending the teaching of the Church, which is not my view but the view of Jesus Christ, who is God Himself. On the contrary to being hateful, proclaiming the Truth of Him in whom we were all made and outside of whom we have not life, is a very loving thing to do. There are other things I could do. I do this because I love God and He told us to love our neighbors - this is one of my feeble attempts to do so.

Your first reaction to learning that you may be incorrect is never joy - it is an uncomfortable feeling due to a degree of mind conflict. This is not bad - this is good. I pray that you stick with it. Jesus never said we would always be comfortable. He said we had to pick up crosses - and we know where those crosses lead - it is never easy but always right to follow Him.

Once again Where am I incorrect? And my views are The Church’s views. If not Where? and don’t say abortion I don’t vote for nor do I condone abortion…

 

[dbrown]

vern humphrey:

Can you give us your priest’s name and email address so we can ask him directly and see if you are accurate in what you say about him?

That would be very improper. any way what i confide to my priest is between me an him if you cannot take me on my own word i’m sorry…

 

[fix]

So what you are saying is that the only important thing is to stop abortion. It needs to be stoped but there are other serious issues that need to be addressed. I’m with yall on stoping abortion. I just don’t think we can turn or cheek to all the other problems in our society and just foucus on that one issue. and please dont label me

Is it not logical for one to conclude from these words that you equate abortion on par with other non life issues? Please state plainly what you are saying?