Catholic Parish Part of Gay Pride Parade in NYC

[wisdomseeker]

So when a communist oppresses the Church, that’s OK because to oppose that means you’re imposing your views on him? I wonder about Cardinal Mindzenty.

It’s up to you to explain your bigotry to your children. That’s your moral failing. It’s ridiculous to pretend everyone else has to order their lives around your perverted views.

You see it is not bigotry to me to explain to my child that is behavior is abnormal and unaccept to us. i dont have a perverted views, you do. we dont see how gay marriage is not a perverted view. tell me when this view of gay marriage started. this is new thing and it is nothing but a perverted view of human being. again, God created man and woman. that is what we go by it. why would a man wanted to be woman or vice verse is beyond me, since we already have these gender in true sense.

you are the one calling bigotry not me. it is my pleasure to teach my child what is wrong with the world and gay agenda.

i have no moral failing, you do. since we can measure morals according to God’s standards. but you, how do you measure morals?

 

[Ockham]

So when a communist oppresses the Church, that’s OK because to oppose that means you’re imposing your views on him? I wonder about Cardinal Mindzenty.

It’s up to you to explain your bigotry to your children. That’s your moral failing. It’s ridiculous to pretend everyone else has to order their lives around your perverted views.

Everything isn’t ok just because someone thinks it’s so. In a civilized and God fearing society you can’t marry your dog, sister, or same sex. It’s that simple.

There is nothing perverted about God’s laws. Homosexuality is perverted as other naturally occurring disfunctions in life like cancer.

If you really want to have an intense debate on this subject go find an Islamic chatroom.

Or do you have the courage?

 

[bpuharic]

Twist it all you want, and have as big a temper tantrum as you wish, it’s not relevant to the discussion.

You keep talking about rights and defend disordered behaviours that are demonstrated in public. You keep defending those who are trying to normalize behaviours to the point of the detriment of the souls of those that are displaying these actions as well as to the souls of those who are being brainwashed into thinking these actions are normal. What about the rights of us that want our children to know right from wrong?

You don’t know much about the Catholic religion do you? We are not bigots at all, as a matter of fact we accept homosexuals completely, except when they display their sins as something that’s good. That would go for adulterers, alcoholics,prostitutes ect. You see, the sin isn’t in the “disability” itself, it’s in the sin of acting upon it, and especially in the sin of promulgating it. The bigot is actually the one who has an irrational intolerance for us Catholics because he/she’s mistaken in where we’re actually coming from.

We are intolerant of sin, not of those who need our help to avoid the sin.

Being Catholic is disordered. Is that bigoted? Yep. So is your statement about gays. As to your children, what if I don’t want my children exposed to Catholics? Bigoted? Yep.

I used to BE Catholic. I probably know more about it than you do. And spare me the amateur psychologizing. You call it sin? I call YOUR view ‘sin’. And being gay is no more an illness like alcoholism than being Catholic is like an illness. You keep telling me that people have a right to bigotry; that it’s ‘irrational’ to oppose your bigotry. Fine. So if someone oppresses Catholics, we should support that because it’s intolerant not to. Nonsense!

 

[Ockham]

And homosexuality is no more ‘murder’ than being Catholic is like being a murderer. That type of extremist argument cuts both ways.

Then leave the Church. It is what God teaches. If you can’t accept it then choose other things to occupy your time here on Earth. Just keep in mind the last four things: death, judgement, heaven, hell. Judge yourself accordingly, sodomite.

 

[bpuharic]

Everything isn’t ok just because someone thinks it’s so. In a civilized and God fearing society you can’t marry your dog, sister, or same sex. It’s that simple.

There is nothing perverted about God’s laws. Homosexuality is perverted as other naturally occurring disfunctions in life like cancer.

If you really want to have an intense debate on this subject go find an Islamic chatroom.

Or do you have the courage?

This is not a God fearing society. You want that? Move to Saudi Arabia. You call being gay ‘perverted?’ Fine. So is being Catholic. Shocked by that? You should be!

And I see little difference between your views and those of Islamists. You both want the same thing: Shari’a imposed on non believers.

 

[bpuharic]

Then leave the Church. It is what God teaches. If you can’t accept it then choose other things to occupy your time here on Earth. Just keep in mind the last four things: death, judgement, heaven, hell. Judge yourself accordingly, sodomite.

I’m not in the Church. The Church, however, insists that, in this case, its arbitrary bigotry must be law. That’s bigotry.

As so ‘sodomite’, I’d expect more of “Christian charity” than to refer to human beings in pejorative terms. Incidentally, I’m not gay.

 

[Ockham]

Being Catholic is disordered. Is that bigoted? Yep. So is your statement about gays. As to your children, what if I don’t want my children exposed to Catholics? Bigoted? Yep.

I used to BE Catholic. I probably know more about it than you do. And spare me the amateur psychologizing. You call it sin? I call YOUR view ‘sin’. And being gay is no more an illness like alcoholism than being Catholic is like an illness. You keep telling me that people have a right to bigotry; that it’s ‘irrational’ to oppose your bigotry. Fine. So if someone oppresses Catholics, we should support that because it’s intolerant not to. Nonsense!

Finally, the truth comes out. Here is a lapsed Catholic with same sex attraction who rather than submit to God’s will seeks to destroy His Church to suit his/her own animal instincts. The Church calls sodomy a sin - not one person’s opinion.

If you don’t want your ‘children’ exposed to Catholics then that’s your perogrative. May God have mercy one their souls. God created them, you are destroying them.

Sodomy is a sin. It’s a fact. There is no point in disputing it. If you wish to make it to heaven then the Church calls you to confess your sins, live a chaste life, and pray for God’s mercy. If you decide you know better then may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[larkin31]

you have no right to raise children. you cant have children.

if it is a matter of choice, why do you think that is ok that all must accept your choices?
how about our choices?

Has bpuharic stated that he/she is gay, or are you making an assumption as part of making a slur?

 

[Ockham]

Has bpuharic stated that he/she is gay, or are you making an assumption as part of making a slur?

Why is it a slur?

It doesn’t matter if bpuharic is gay or not. He/she is promoting the homosexual lifestyle which is contrary to Church teaching.

Catholics pray for homosexuals, care for them, but do not condone their instinctive animal lust.

 

[bpuharic]

Finally, the truth comes out. Here is a lapsed Catholic with same sex attraction who rather than submit to God’s will seeks to destroy His Church to suit his/her own animal instincts. The Church calls sodomy a sin - not one person’s opinion.

If you don’t want your ‘children’ exposed to Catholics then that’s your perogrative. May God have mercy one their souls. God created them, you are destroying them.

Sodomy is a sin. It’s a fact. There is no point in disputing it. If you wish to make it to heaven then the Church calls you to confess your sins, live a chaste life, and pray for God’s mercy. If you decide you know better then may God have mercy on your soul.

Yep, the cliches abound. A ‘lapsed Catholic’…as if this had anything to do with exposing bigotry. As to your projection of your own insecurities about homosexuality onto me…well, that’s something between you and your therapist.

I don’t care if ‘sodomy’ is a sin. What I care about is whether gays have equal rights. And they don’t due in no small part to Catholic bigotry. You simply live in a vacuum, thinking that your view, perverted though it is, has no detrimental effects on others. Unfortunately it does.

 

[Loboto-Me]

Then leave the Church. It is what God teaches. If you can’t accept it then choose other things to occupy your time here on Earth. Just keep in mind the last four things: death, judgement, heaven, hell. Judge yourself accordingly, sodomite.

Wow! I was going to write a post similar to yours! My only problem is that these so called rights are infringing on the rights of the next generation to be able to judge right from wrong. The next generation is now thinking that since everyone accepts it then it must be OK behaviour. Sinning is NEVER OK.

Oh and bpuharic?, if you knew what being a Catholic was really about as you claim, you wouldn’t behave you do now. If you can’t be truthful with us online, at least be truthful to yourself and admit you need spiritual help.

 

[Ockham]

I don’t care if ‘sodomy’ is a sin. What I care about is whether gays have equal rights. And they don’t due in no small part to Catholic bigotry. You simply live in a vacuum, thinking that your view, perverted though it is, has no detrimental effects on others. Unfortunately it does.

I don’t have a therapist, but suggest sodomites seek counceling preferably from Catholic sources.

You may not care if sodomy is a sin but the Church does. The Church wants you in heaven but if you practice or support sodomy your chances of getting there diminish.

The Church is not a vacuum; it is not morally relativist either. There is right and wrong in our world just as there is light and dark, life and death. God gives us free will. We can choose to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of respect His Will. You can choose to bugger your neighbour or follow the True path.

 

[bpuharic]

Wow! I was going to write a post similar to yours! My only problem is that these so called rights are infringing on the rights of the next generation to be able to judge right from wrong. The next generation is now thinking that since everyone accepts it then it must be OK behaviour. Sinning is NEVER OK.

Oh and bpuharic?, if you knew what being a Catholic was really about as you claim, you wouldn’t behave you do now. If you can’t be truthful with us online, at least be truthful to yourself and admit you need spiritual help.

The amateur psychologists here abound! Every time you think of the rights of gays, swap it with "Catholic’. See if that’s bigoted. And I love it when you say I’m not being ‘truthful’! If you could cite a SINGLE example, you’d have an argument. But you don’t.

Right from wrong? Let’s see how many times in history THAT argument was used. In 1826 Maryland it was illegal for Catholics to hold office. Was that right? They thought it was.

I don’t care what you think sin is. That’s your job. What I care about is when you impose YOUR views on those who disagree with you, and deny them equal rights.

 

[larkin31]

Why is it a slur?

It doesn’t matter if bpuharic is gay or not. He/she is promoting the homosexual lifestyle which is contrary to Church teaching.

Catholics pray for homosexuals, care for them, but do not condone their instinctive animal lust.

I did not ask you. I asked the person who wrote the post.

“bugger” is a pejorative term, if you did not know (I presume that you do know this and that you are intentionally using the denigration).

 

[larkin31]

… You can choose to bugger your neighbour or follow the True path.

Where did this kind of remark come from?

 

[Loboto-Me]

Problem is, you’re imposing YOUR disordered view on us and many other Christians, as well as on most of society.

 

[larkin31]

Wow! I was going to write a post similar to yours! My only problem is that these so called rights are infringing on the rights of the next generation to be able to judge right from wrong. The next generation is now thinking that since everyone accepts it then it must be OK behaviour. Sinning is NEVER OK.

Oh and bpuharic?, if you knew what being a Catholic was really about as you claim, you wouldn’t behave you do now. If you can’t be truthful with us online, at least be truthful to yourself and admit you need spiritual help.

“Sins” must have a rational basis or they will change their definition over time. That is all there is to it. If you can’t persuasively defend a religious more, it will erode over time. It is as simple as that. This is also true of prejudice, science, law, etc–all of our cultural institutions. Our human minds constantly probe rules and regulations and mores for justification beyond simply “It has been so for a long time.”

 

[bpuharic]

I don’t have a therapist, but suggest sodomites seek counceling preferably from Catholic sources.

You may not care if sodomy is a sin but the Church does. The Church wants you in heaven but if you practice or support sodomy your chances of getting there diminish.

The Church is not a vacuum; it is not morally relativist either. There is right and wrong in our world just as there is light and dark, life and death. God gives us free will. We can choose to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of respect His Will. You can choose to bugger your neighbour or follow the True path.

“Sodomites?” The papist shows his bigotry. Is “papist” a bigoted term? Yep.

You keep telling us that you know right from wrong. Great! Keep that little secret to yourself, OK? Let others live their lives without inteference from your perverted views.

You’re a romanist papist…if you find those terms offensive, you should. Just like the term ‘bugger’.

 

[Loboto-Me]

I know this is not have any impact on those who are having tantrums against the Father’s rules and those who have no beliefs, but me and others here, as sinful as we are yet trying to overcome our sinful tendencies take God’s Book to heart:

**18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. **

** 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. **
** 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. **
** 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. **** 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.**

By the way that was Romans 1

 

[Ockham]

“Sins” must have a rational basis or they will change their definition over time. That is all there is to it. If you can’t persuasively defend a religious more, it will erode over time. It is as simple as that. This is also true of prejudice, science, law, etc–all of our cultural institutions. Our human minds constantly probe rules and regulations and mores for justification beyond simply “It has been so for a long time.”

Sorry to break this to you but that is the unfortunate morally relativist/protestant perspective. There is truth and false in this world. The Church is true, opponents are false. You can challenge the Truth if you want but you are gambling with your eternal soul.

Sin is not rational. It is black and white. That is why Jesus set up a Church. Otherwise He could have left everything to personal interpretation. If that was the idea then why did He come down here and preach for three years?

The “do it if it feels right” mentality has been proven wrong time immortal. Homosexuality may be natuarally occuring but it is not natually self sustaining. Cancer is naturally occuring but that doesn’t make it a good thing to be replicated.