Aren’t there any myths on the other side Bob?
2 points.
Since I never see any interest here in abortion outside the USA, I don’t think that was a silly thing to bring up at all. I think it shows there’s a a strong tendency toward tunnel-vision in the pro-life movement. You see it as an American problem, I see it as a human problem.
Politicians will never care what is right and what is wrong. Like I said before, they cannot be trusted with human life. Period. They should not even be part of the equation. Politicians do not need to hear from a unified voice, people do. Young people, students, people likely to get into trouble. People likely to get pregnant. THEY need to hear it.
The first comment you make about tunnel vision really makes no sense, you assume everything there.
You say above
That is the entire debate as I see it, defining the greater good.
Or greater evil-is there any greater evil than suporting the killing of 1.2 million children a year? Our Churchs says there is not.
I guess what I cannot understand is how this very true statement does not end all debates on it.
I’ve been saying it in my not-so-expressive way,using words like tunnel vision, holy grail, and others, that, from what I have read on this board, the one and only goal I have heard is filling judicial benches to turn over a ruling from '73. Maybe I’m just reading the wrong threads.
I’m full o’ surprises!
You’ll have to point out where I said that exactly. I just said there was no interest in that subject on this board. A different thing.
Great - because Canada seems to have no holds barred at the moment.
Some believe we should tolerate evil, even empower those who facilitate it. If the blood of 47 million children does not end the debate what does?.
I disagree with your statement that there are a whole bunch of people out there that do not believe life begins at conception.You’re exhausting Pelosi !
I’ve been saying it in my not-so-expressive way,using words like tunnel vision, holy grail, and others, that, from what I have read on this board, the one and only goal I have heard is filling judicial benches to turn over a ruling from '73. Maybe I’m just reading the wrong threads.
What I have said over and over is that some people, maybe not you, or whomever is reading this, but some people think the battle will be won the day that ruling gets turned over.
And for the other side - that is the day the battle begins. this could (ridiculously, but in america it could) lead to cases being turned and overturned as the majorities change in the seats of power (all 3 branches). Sounds ridiculous, but possible. Which brings things back to what my coworker said today - “if enough people believe it is wrong, people will not go get abortions, no matter what law is on the books.” Hearts and minds again.
I’m full o’ surprises!
The simple answer is, YES. If abortion is illegal, there will be less. An unequivocal yes to that.
So, what is part two of the plan? I’m sure you’ve heard all the dark possibilities that go along with that newly-decided illegality. The genie has been out of the bottle a long time. I could see those currently performing abortions finding a way around the system to do it. I could see cops not enforcing it. I could see doctors looking the other way while their colleagues do it. I could see med schools still teaching it, (or even just starting) I could see a black market (of course) and I could see young people intent on getting abortion networking in ways we’ve never thought of, to get the “RIGHT” that their mothers supposedly had.
I’m no expert on this subject, and I don’t pretend to be, but as someone put it in another thread, this country is not Catholic, and there are a whole bunch of people out there that do not believe life begins at conception. Forcing that law upon millions of people, will be accepted with just as much outrage, as when the reverse was forced upon our side.
Such a good question. I wish I knew also. The arrogance and fallacy of turning one’s back on one of the major pronouncements of the Church is just astonishing. It could be that these folks want to do what they will with no consequences, or they are able to rationalize in their minds that some other reason is good enough to ignore the fact that abortion is murder. They are guided by consciences that I do not understand. And the notion that it is not a mortal sin to participate in this in any way shows how we will twist the truth to achieve what we want whether it be a political candidate, a more convenient life without this nuisance (fetus), or so we can live promiscuosly without consequences. Our poster, Al, said it well—we are experiencing the dumbing down of the Church.
As a Catholic who voted straight Democratic except for three Republicans, I’d ask you instead, "how are we to demonstrate our disgust with Bush’s conduct of the war, erosion of civil rights, governmental spending, and governmental expansion by voting Republican? Are we who favor the Democrats to endorse what we feel are major Republican failures for the sake of a pro-life vote when there is good reason to believe that abortion is not going to be gone in the next two years?
Why do you think that Catholics who don’t vote lockstep with the GOP are dumb? Do you think that it is only the unintelligent Catholics who would have issues with the Republican Party, issues valid enough to reject the GOP’s nominal support of anti-abortion?
I did not say that people are dumb. I resent you putting words in my mouth and interpreting what I said to suit yourself.
If people aren’t dumb, and it is the Church that is getting dumber, what do you mean exactly by dumb? I don’t understand.
It is very obvious by your response that the abortion issue is simply not the most important. That is something that you have to struggle with and overcome, but you need to be aware that your constant making excuses will continue to erode the pro life efforts among those looking for a reason to excuse murder. There is simply no other way to put it.