Catholics Converting to Evangelical: More Fun and Happy

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My fiance belongs to a church that is not quite Evangelical, but close. I overheard a member say they left Catholicism because they didn’t feel the Church led them to a personal relationship with Jesus. I was amazed. I figure he just doesn’t get what the Church is all about. But I’m also sure he’s not the only Catholic who joined such churches because of such a misunderstanding.
 
Mass should be more “fun and happy?”
A number of years back I was at a small-group discussion on the liturgy. The moderator went around the room asking each participant why he/she went to Mass. The answers ranged from “for fellowship” to “to hear the Word broken open” to “to praise God” and so on. When it got to me and I spoke up, there were instant icicles in that room. What I said, however, still applies today. “I go to Mass to adore and receive the Lord of the universe Who appears on the altar.”
I think we need to realize, really realize, that the joy that comes at Mass is interior far more than the exterior signs of “fun and happy.” Fun and happy are not bad–but they can be a form of seeking after spiritual consolations rather than seeking the One Who is, Himself, THE spiritual consolation.
Pax Domini!
 
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  About the best thing I've seen done to make Mass more "fun" is the utilization of a Gospel choir.  Every time I go to my hometown (Wilmington, NC) and St. Mary's has their gospel choir performing, I feel uplifted in the best way.  I know that gospel singing originated in the African American churches, but white folks should give it a listen.  I think it's great!  It's a shame that it would go over "like a lead zepplin" in the church I go to because it is a predominantly white catholic church (myself included).  I think experiencing what other cultures have to offer even in a small way such as this would not take away from the Mass, but in fact, may enhance it.
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Great point Tom Wineman and I agree. I went to a church like the evangelicals church in GR, Mich ten years ago and I didn’t care for it. Too much glam and I always came out feeling empty.
 
this may sound like its off topic a little, but its my personal experience from the people arround me. too many people want excitement in everything, that includes worshiping God on sunday. Catholic organ Mass to many is just boring. in a america I hate to say, we have become a society of thrill seekers. I wont name the examples of that, I know most of you could name lots of them your selves. we need to teach our young that life isnt all about exitement, that the raod to heaven isnt chocked full of exitemet. you can have your excitement when you get to heaven. people get bored too easily today, more people should of been raised like I was. if I said I was bored, a broom was slammed in to my hands and I was told to get to work. more people should of been raised that way it looks like to me. I dont know how do go about it, but getting people off their excitement addiction may help. I never was addicted, too much excitement causes me migraines and nose bleeds.
It will not always be exciting, no, but it should not be dreary either. Rejoice, Christ is risen.
 
AMEN! and AMEN!

Catechesis is the problem, in my opinion. Catholics don’t know their faith. Better catechesis would help improve a lot of things, especially the liturgy. You can’t have reverence if you don’t know/understand what’s going on or Whom you’re revering or the significance of certain rituals (for lack of a better word.)

I have heard never heard of a well-catechized Catholic leaving the Eucharist, Confession, the fullness of truth, and all that other good stuff for flashy music and entertainment.

This is my opinion, but “flashy” music isn’t reverent in the sense of what Catholics have considered reverent for 2000 years. I should also note that the Protestants of centuries past would not have dared using the type of music that is often found in Protestant worship today. I’m not saying flashy music is bad or evil, but it just doesn’t rise to that standard of reverence and solemnity set by tradition. When the type of music at Mass is the same of music people listen to everyday on the radio, then that is a problem. It makes the Mass too worldly/casual and not very heavenly/solemn. It shows that the music is chosen because it is first and foremost pleasing/appealing to us, not because we are trying to do our best to worship the Almighty King. That is, the music reflects our personal liking or what is currently popular. By being tied to the likes and dislikes of a particular time, this type of music doesn’t communicate the transcendence of God because it constantly needs to be changed and adapted to fit the current tastes.

I think that a lot of this has to do with the loss of the sense of the sacred, in my opinion.
Couldn’t have said it better… The loss in reverence before God is exemplifed in (modern & popular) “flashy” music in church which is more about glorifying self than glorifying God. I saw an add for a non-denominational church in a newspaper last month that urged people to come visit their church and hear the good, old hymns. The simple-minded choruses in Protestant churches, in particular, are usually empty of any real meaning or substance, and sometimes they say things that are blatantly untrue because it “sounds good”. We’re losing the ability to understand the need for reverence and the sacred. Everything is casual, but how can one enter the presence of God almighty in a casual way?

Having said the above, good quality religious music draws us nearer to God and to a better understanding of the Mass. I am not opposing the importance of music, but I don’t think popular is usually the way to go.
 
One thing I love about the Catholic mass is the polyvalent symbology. The almost limitless opportunities for personal or divine reflection. If you aren’t getting anything out of the mass, then buy a book that explains all the symbology and gives you more food for thought as you go through the rubrics and motions. I grew up Protestant and the evangelical movement in particular thrives on what I like to call an “emotional high” during the services. They use music, dance and words to synthesize an emotional experience that church goers construe as the work of the “Holy Spirit”. It’s very much like a motivational event. They associate the “high” with the “Holy Spirit” and are constantly turned inward, examining and ruminating on how they “feel” that day. i.e. “I don’t feel close to God today, what am I doing wrong?” or “Oh, I feel so close to God in this Church while we sing and dance!” It sets them up for a life long roller coaster ride of depths and peaks in their spiritual lives. Some days they feel close to God, and others they don’t because their spiritual lives are intertwined with their emotional experiences. I’ve given this a lot of thought and don’t want to get off on a tangent but suffice to say, I much prefer the Catholic approach to worship. I don’t have to worry about how I feel in a Catholic mass. I know Christ is present in the Eucharist. The symbology of the mass is beautiful and gives me limitless opportunities to examine myself and worship internally and externally. The mass shouldn’t ever be about the laity “having fun” in my opinion. Isn’t the mass a sacrificial event? I say keep it solemn and leave the drums and tambourines at home.
 
BrownR,
Great post. I have lost one of my children to the Evangelical babysitting and “meaningful” sermons. I am sending her your post, which I think is spot on.
Thanks for the insight.🙂
 
Atheism is fun, and makes much more sense after many years of catholic school. Just as many morals as any religion or philosophy, and with a scientific background and open mind to new possibilities.

As for my Born Again family members, many of them are biased towards me for having an open mind towards the “Da Vinci Code” and towards practicing Buddhist meditation and supporting evolution.
So I think that being a free thinker with an open mind and no set beliefs is perfect. I'm a Buddhist today, which some would say makes me an Atheist, but I practice compassion every minute of my day, so it all works out. I'd recommend viewing like from the Atheistic side, it's pretty wonderful.
 
I agree. But it is a good way to get people to come to God, fill their hearts with emotion and lay down at the feet of Jesus.
There are bookstores and music shops full of CDs of happy, clappy praise and worship music. I listen to it in the car with the windows down on bright, sunny days. Boy, do I sing of the glory of God!

But, when I go to God’s House to worship him, the music I need is solemn and sacred and beautiful befitting my attitude of contrition for my sins and gratitude for His forgiveness and in preparation to receive Him in the Holy Eucharist.
 
Hello, again–
One more comment here. Do we want our worship of the Lord on Sunday to resemble the “fun” we had in the nightclub the night before–loud, physically energizing (makes us dance and clap)–or do we want to have a service that helps us lift our hearts and souls to our Maker and our Saviour. Granted that certain ethnic/cultural milieus might fit that, here in the US, I would posit that, for most of us, it should be the latter.
Pax Domini
 
Atheism is fun, and makes much more sense after many years of catholic school. Just as many morals as any religion or philosophy, and with a scientific background and open mind to new possibilities.

As for my Born Again family members, many of them are biased towards me for having an open mind towards the “Da Vinci Code” and towards practicing Buddhist meditation and supporting evolution.

So I think that being a free thinker with an open mind and no set beliefs is perfect. I’m a Buddhist today, which some would say makes me an Atheist, but I practice compassion every minute of my day, so it all works out. I’d recommend viewing like from the Atheistic side, it’s pretty wonderful.
 
Atheism is fun, and makes much more sense after many years of catholic school. Just as many morals as any religion or philosophy, and with a scientific background and open mind to new possibilities.

As for my Born Again family members, many of them are biased towards me for having an open mind towards the “Da Vinci Code” and towards practicing Buddhist meditation and supporting evolution.

So I think that being a free thinker with an open mind and no set beliefs is perfect. I’m a Buddhist today, which some would say makes me an Atheist, but I practice compassion every minute of my day, so it all works out. I’d recommend viewing like from the Atheistic side, it’s pretty wonderful.
Being worried about you soul is not being bias - they problem think you have become so open minded that your…, well I won’t say anymore:rolleyes:
 
Thanks jedimasterham!

Your post is the best support for why we should not be focusing on making Mass more fun. We don’t want to mislead people in thinking that the primary goal of life is to have lots of fun and be happy. They get enough of that from the rest of the world.

God bless,
Robert
Atheism is fun, and makes much more sense after many years of catholic school. Just as many morals as any religion or philosophy, and with a scientific background and open mind to new possibilities.

As for my Born Again family members, many of them are biased towards me for having an open mind towards the “Da Vinci Code” and towards practicing Buddhist meditation and supporting evolution.

So I think that being a free thinker with an open mind and no set beliefs is perfect. I’m a Buddhist today, which some would say makes me an Atheist, but I practice compassion every minute of my day, so it all works out. I’d recommend viewing like from the Atheistic side, it’s pretty wonderful.
 
Thanks jedimasterham!

Your post is the best support for why we should not be focusing on making Mass more fun. We don’t want to mislead people into thinking that the primary goal of life is to have lots of fun and be happy. They get enough of that from the rest of the world.

God bless,
Robert
99% of people’s primary goal is to be happy, which usually entails having fun. Every christians first goal is to be happy. Everyone knows this. Eventually one can overcome this and be happy helping others be happy.
 
“Fun” and “happy” are not synonyms! Happiness is ultimately based on the deeper things of life. For example, I might not find looking after a sick family member “fun,” but it might very well make me very “happy.”
It’s true that most people are looking to be happy. It’s also true that many if not most do not understand the above distinction. Our Lady told St. Bernadette that she could not promise happiness in this world, only in the next.
May we all live so as to attain that blessed happiness!
Pax Domini
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99% of people’s primary goal is to be happy, which usually entails having fun. Every christians first goal is to be happy. Everyone knows this. Eventually one can overcome this and be happy helping others be happy.
Really? Even as a Protestant, I wasn’t taught that…
Matthew 6:
33 But seek*** first*** the kingdom (of God) and his righteousness, 19 and all these things will be given you besides.
Although, I do recall Jesus saying to “Rejoice and be glad!” Now, where was that…oh yeah…Matthew 5:
11 Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you (falsely) because of me. 12 10** Rejoice and be glad**, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
…it follows right after the insults and persecution. 👍

Bottomline - We are supposed to be like Jesus. Our Lord’s first goal was not to be happy. I’m not saying everyone should be dour…I’m certainly not. But, true happiness is a side effect not a goal. 🙂
 
Man, you guys just don’t get it… When you have fun, you’re setting an example for the people around you… You probably think of fun as drinking or drugs or dancing right?? I mean fun as in helping people… If I was in the worst situation in the world, a war perhaps, I could still have fun helping others, fun smiling, being an example for those around me…

Happiness is important… The church is threatened by happiness, because if you can be happy now, then why do you need heaven… Also, why can’t I be happy if someone’s dying, or why can’t I be happy in any situation… I could be happy if I was dying, it’s my choice.
 
Man, you guys just don’t get it… When you have fun, you’re setting an example for the people around you… You probably think of fun as drinking or drugs or dancing right?? I mean fun as in helping people… If I was in the worst situation in the world, a war perhaps, I could still have fun helping others, fun smiling, being an example for those around me…

Happiness is important… The church is threatened by happiness, because if you can be happy now, then why do you need heaven… Also, why can’t I be happy if someone’s dying, or why can’t I be happy in any situation… I could be happy if I was dying, it’s my choice.
Brings to mind the “ant and the grasshopper” fable. The ant worked hard and had food and shelter from the world around him. The grasshopper played and had fun and did not take care of tomorrows needs.
The ant is the Christian. The grasshopper is the atheist.

There is a forever called eternity. We need to prepare for it.😃
 
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