Catholics Converting to Evangelical: More Fun and Happy

[Jane_K]

well folks i got to tell ya i’ve attended the church with the best christian rock band youve ever heard every sunday for 7 years. many people come to our church because “it is like being at a concert and you get to worship God” i love the music.
but you know it just ain’t enough.I want the Eucharist!
Give me Jesus!

AMEN!!!

 

[DebChris]

There is no reason for a Catholic to convert to an evangelical Church. I cannot imagine anyplace where the Spirit is more alive. Of course, I have experienced Pentecost. I belong to the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. I live close enough to churches that have Charismatic prayer groups so that I can participate on a weekly basis. When the gifts are expressed at a Charismatic Mass, the effect is overwhelming. What an awesome God we have! I do not need to go elsewhere to have fun.

 

[Grace_Angel]

I don’t agree. It is one’s responsibility to pursue and acquire knowledge of our faith so that individual will not lose it’s treasure of staying inside the one true holy and apostolic catholic church. And if one’s seeks the kingdom, he begins to study church history and he understands clearly the music we have in the mass.

“Seek ye first the kingdom of God…”

Respectfully your comments shows a marked lack of understanding of the liturgy. The liturgy is not a “show” or a “performance” it is a sacrifical offering of the Son to the Father, as requested by Jesus Christ Himself “Do this as a memorial of me” (Anamnesis). To do this (Offer sacrifice) we need the ordained priesthood according to the Order of Melchizedek.
The Liturgy is not a place where we go to choose what we want to sing. The liturgy is something we do “other than” the normal of our lives. When we enter rightly into the liturgy, we leave , for a time, our daily life behind and enter into a reality of otherliness. A reality where we join with the Church Triumphant in prayer and praise and thanksgiving for Gods so great love and Mercy for us (Jn 3:16) that He would send His beloved son so that Heaven might become a realityfor us.
And finally, we gather to be fed by the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. A reverence like no other is what is really needed and not more happy clappy events.
Sorry I dont agree with what you suggest.
God B less
Grance Angel.

 

[Sixtus]

well folks i got to tell ya i’ve attended the church with the best christian rock band youve ever heard every sunday for 7 years. many people come to our church because “it is like being at a concert and you get to worship God” i love the music.
but you know it just ain’t enough.I want the Eucharist!
Give me Jesus!

Amen

There is in my experience no substitute for the wonderful mystical and profound encounter between Oneself and the Blessed Sacrament.

Yes, there times when one feels charasmatic and at others, more reflective, but whatever the flavour evangelical or high, there is no substitute for the emotional encounter with the Blessed Sacrament.

 

[KathleenElsie]

well folks i got to tell ya i’ve attended the church with the best christian rock band youve ever heard every sunday for 7 years. many people come to our church because “it is like being at a concert and you get to worship God” i love the music.
but you know it just ain’t enough.I want the Eucharist!
Give me Jesus!

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Best thing to do is pray for those that leave the Church. When I meet such people, I tell them, if you feel you need to move to another religion to find faith in Jesus, go in peace, but please, don’t make war against the Catholic Church, in an attempt to justify your decision.

Jim

 

[Theodore]

You absolutely right on this point. The Eucharist IS the whole point and believing in the true body an blood of Christ in the sacrament is vital. But this is acheived by making the liturgy more solemn and reverent, not more flashy and entertaining.

My sentiments excactly !!! Why do we go to church ? to please GOD, or to please our own senses… Theo.

 

[Tracyms1974]

So I think that being a free thinker with an open mind and no set beliefs is perfect. I’m a Buddhist today, which some would say makes me an Atheist, but I practice compassion every minute of my day, so it all works out. I’d recommend viewing like from the Atheistic side, it’s pretty wonderful.

I don’t think that being a Buddhist makes you an Atheist. (I could be wrong about this.) At least Buddhists have some sense of ethics and “right” and “wrong.” Atheists care for no one but themselves and answer to no one. As a Christian, though, I would still encourage you to give us and Jesus another chance. There was a saint that once said that the road to and with Jesus is actually easier than the road to and in this world. You may not think so, but in the end, it’s true.

Tracy

 

[ASimpleSinner]

I don’t think that being a Buddhist makes you an Atheist. (I could be wrong about this.) At least Buddhists have some sense of ethics and “right” and “wrong.” Atheists care for no one but themselves and answer to no one. As a Christian, though, I would still encourage you to give us and Jesus another chance. There was a saint that once said that the road to and with Jesus is actually easier than the road to and in this world. You may not think so, but in the end, it’s true.

Tracy

Athiest can be broken down into the root word and a prefix…

Namely:

A = without
theo = God
ist = practiticioner.

Certain schools of Bhudism are without reference or belief in a God. Notably they call for meditation over prayer.

Yes, in fact some of it is atheistic… It is without the concept of a god.

This does not mean that these are bad people. It is not an insult. It is a simple recognition of their beliefs.

 

[rlg94086]

Athiest can be broken down into the root word and a prefix…

Namely:

A = without
theo = God
ist = practiticioner.

Certain schools of Bhudism are without reference or belief in a God. Notably they call for meditation over prayer.

Yes, in fact some of it is atheistic… It is without the concept of a god.

This does not mean that these are bad people. It is not an insult. It is a simple recognition of their beliefs.

Yep. Tibetan Buddhism is very existentialist. The goal (actually that would require an ego, so it’s a dirty word) is to become nothing…to lose ‘self.’

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Yep. Tibetan Buddhism is very existentialist. The goal (actually that would require an ego, so it’s a dirty word) is to become nothing…to lose ‘self.’

EXACTLY.

Contrast that with the Catholic teaching of man being made in the image and likeness of God (then mediatte on the Trinity) and well… it does not seem so benign.

 

[boppaid]

I don’t think that being a Buddhist makes you an Atheist. (I could be wrong about this.) At least Buddhists have some sense of ethics and “right” and “wrong.” Atheists care for no one but themselves and answer to no one. As a Christian, though, I would still encourage you to give us and Jesus another chance. There was a saint that once said that the road to and with Jesus is actually easier than the road to and in this world. You may not think so, but in the end, it’s true.

Tracy

Tracy, I just have to comment. My friend is an atheist. She is one of the most selfless, caring, compassionate women I know. Please remember that just because someone is an atheist doesn’t mean they aren’t moral and good.

 

[Tracyms1974]

Tracy, I just have to comment. My friend is an atheist. She is one of the most selfless, caring, compassionate women I know. Please remember that just because someone is an atheist doesn’t mean they aren’t moral and good.

Well, okay, that may be true, and I may have been hasty and harsh in saying that atheists don’t care for anyone. It just seems to me a waste of a heart and a mind to act as Jesus or any “Good Creator” would want you to act anyway and at the same time deny His existence. How does that work, really? If not God’s ethics and standards, whose standards does an atheist adhere to? And note: This is different than those remote tribes on remote islands in the Pacific that don’t know any better. Atheism is a *conscious *rejection of God or the concept of God.

 

[rlg94086]

Hi Tracyms1974,

It is actually quite simple. Despite their disbelief, they are still made in the image and likeness of God. They still have a God-given conscience. While there is no morality inherent in Atheism, the Atheist still has the same capacity for love, mercy, etc. that God has given us all.

This is why I pray for my brother, who also fits the description Boppaid gave. His irrational faith in rationalism keeps him from believing in God.

Pax,
Robert

Well, okay, that may be true, and I may have been hasty and harsh in saying that atheists don’t care for anyone. It just seems to me a waste of a heart and a mind to act as Jesus or any “Good Creator” would want you to act anyway and at the same time deny His existence. How does that work, really? If not God’s ethics and standards, whose standards does an atheist adhere to? And note: This is different than those remote tribes on remote islands in the Pacific that don’t know any better. Atheism is a *conscious *rejection of God or the concept of God.

 

[Jane_K]

Re Boppaid’s friend who is an atheist, yet campassionate, caring, selfless, and good. I have a brother for whom that could also apply. But…one of the complaints leveled against Catholics by Evangelicals is that we believe in salvation by works–not true of course. I love my brother and he is, in a worldly sense, a good man. Yet Jesus reminds us that only God is good and that we are to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. As fine a person as my brother is, without God his soul is in everlasting peril–a message we Catholics cannot forget to proclaim along with our separated brothers and sisters who call themselves Evangelicals. Pray for all who deny God as well as those who deny His holy Church!
Pax Domini

 

[po18guy]

Re Boppaid’s friend who is an atheist, yet campassionate, caring, selfless, and good. I have a brother for whom that could also apply. But…one of the complaints leveled against Catholics by Evangelicals is that we believe in salvation by works–not true of course. I love my brother and he is, in a worldly sense, a good man. Yet Jesus reminds us that only God is good and that we are to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. As fine a person as my brother is, without God his soul is in everlasting peril–a message we Catholics cannot forget to proclaim along with our separated brothers and sisters who call themselves Evangelicals. Pray for all who deny God as well as those who deny His holy Church!
Pax Domini

You said it, Sis!

If there is no life after this one, then this life is meaningless! Why deny yourself, in imitation of Christ, without believing in Him and storing up treasure in heaven? Might as well grab all you can get in this life, if that’s all there is. If you act like Christ without faith in Him, at least have the humility to give Him the credit for your inspiration!

Christ’s peace!

 

[boppaid]

Oh, I don’t think anyone disagrees about the merits of being a Christian versus being an atheist. However, what I was pointing out was simply that just because someone is an atheist, doesn’t mean they are void of morals.

 

[Philothea53]

Please tell me, because I really cannot answer this on my own - what do atheists use as a moral compass? What prevents an atheist from doing whatever they darn well please, if as one atheist once told me, “When you die, you take a nice dirt nap.”? What forms the foundation for laws, values and morals for an atheist?

 

[rlg94086]

Please tell me, because I really cannot answer this on my own - what do atheists use as a moral compass? What prevents an atheist from doing whatever they darn well please, if as one atheist once told me, “When you die, you take a nice dirt nap.”? What forms the foundation for laws, values and morals for an atheist?

Atheism does not have any morality associated with it. By nature, it has to be relativistic.

Read this from the Catechism to see where their source of morality comes from:

PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST

SECTION ONE
MAN’S VOCATION LIFE IN THE SPIRIT CHAPTER ONE
THE DIGNITY OF THE HUMAN PERSON

ARTICLE 6
MORAL CONSCIENCE [1776](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/1776.htm’) "Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment. . . . For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God. . . . His conscience is man’s most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths."47

This is true whether someone believes in God or not.

 

[po18guy]

This is true whether someone believes in God or not.

How true! To paraphrase Bishop Sheen: “A lie is a lie, even if everyone believes it. The truth is still the truth, even if no one believes it”

Goodness and morality are in our DNA. So is knoledge of evil. Either one we choose, it serves the truth to give credit to our inspiration-either God or Satan.

Christ’s peace.