Catholics React to Biden's Kamala Harris VP Selection: ‘Deeply Flawed’

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He said the reasons must be proportionate, not just “other”. Your emphasis is misleading. There are no issues presently in this campaign proportionate to killing a million children per year. None.

And to clarify, the U.S. bishops have said abortion is the preeminent issue in this year’s elections, i.e. none others are proportionate. They specifically rejected the assertion that there are.

It’s pretty clear. No Catholic can, in good conscience, vote for an abortion supporter like Biden and Harris.
 
RC67 said:
I think Biden will “hit the brakes” on COVID 19,
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Short on specifics. How will he do that, and where has he made any concrete proposals other than a restatement of what Trump is doing?
RC67 said:
the causes for racial unrest
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I do believe he’ll do this. The DNC which encourages the rioters will buy off their leaders and that will be that.
RC67 said:
screwing up the environment
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e.g. no new licenses for fracking. Renewed dependence on foreign oil.
RC67 said:
Someone’s taxes are going to be higher to pay for this stuff, but I am not convinced the middle class is going to take a hit on it this time.
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That’s where the big money is. If he doesn’t hit the middle class, his promise to raise taxes is just class warfare with no substance.
RC67 said:
maybe the level of our hostility and outrage with one another will come down a decibel.
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Only when there are no more dissenters from the Dem program, including dissent coming from the Catholic Church. It wasn’t the Repubs who tried to force Catholic charities to provide abortifacients to their workers. it was Obama and the Dems. That will only get worse if Biden/Harris is elected.
 
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Gun control, you have some that really want to take your guns in that party, amnesty, there is a whole lot at stake. Crime will probably grow and then, these are abortion extremists. It would be terrible. Higher taxes too.
 
JonNC said:
Bass was probably the most extreme leftist he was considering. I would not have seen her as unifying at all
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FWIW, this could all backfire on Biden if the Anita Hill voters go third party.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
When the National Catholic Reporter (As quoted in the article) doesn’t even like Kamala, you know it’s really bad.
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You know…
Trump may be polarizing. But it mainly is on the left.
Kamala has managed to be disliked from both sides of the aisle.
 
Ridgerunner said:
What they don’t seem to realize is that the entire Democrat party has betrayed them.
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I read that, unlike Catholic Biden, the Hindu Tulsi Gabbard was in favor of limitations on abortion. Although previously, she was against it altogether.
 
Never will I forget when protestant George Bush was more faithful to Cathollic teachings than the Catholic John Kerry. But there’s a lot of that toxicity going on. I remember how the DNC supports “Catholic” dissident organizations and publications to undercut CAtholics’ faithfulness to Church teaching.
 
Ridgerunner said:
No Catholic can, in good conscience, vote for an abortion supporter like Biden and Harris.
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How does one answer the objection that Biden or whoever, is personally opposed to abortion and does not support it. But they do not want to criminalize it and put women in jail for contracting out the murder of their unborn child. They don’t want millions of women going to the federal penitentiary for many long years of incarceration. If it was a crime for the woman to contract out the abortion, should she be punished for her crime or not?
 
Neither Biden nor Harris is “personally opposed” to abortion or they wouldn’t be in support of it. They favor it. Lying is easy. Women were never jailed for having abortions back when it was illegal, so if they’re hiding behind that particular fig leaf, nobody ought to buy it. They’re in favor of abortion, including partial birth abortion and post-birth direct killing.


 
Thbolt said:
Well, except for that unjust war thingy that Bush started that Pope John Paul II warned us against.
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In retrospect, Bush was wrong because he didn’t know what would happen after him. But let’s be honest about this. Pope JPII thought the UN should be given more time to get it resolved. What he didn’t know (and couldn’t) at the time was how seriously Saddam had corrupted the UN with oil credits that were supposed to feed his people. He would have waited forever, but didn’t know it.

After it started and the truth was discovered, he never condemned the war.
 
Thbolt said:
So women who seek to kill their babies aren’t charged with abortion if it is illegal? That doesn’t make any sense. It doesn’t really even make it illegal.
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Historically, that’s right. Only the doctors or other butchers were held to account. It made sense to those who could have provided punishment for the women because they believed the women were also victims.
 
The US doesn’t have compulsory voting.

The last presidential election slightly more than half the could have voted did.
 
Thbolt said:
Please point to me where the Pope supported the war. He didn’t.
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Please point to me where he said it was an unjust war after the truth about the UN bribery was discovered. He didn’t.
Thbolt said:
So what do you do when a woman tries to procure an abortion? How are they a victim in this? And I’m not talking about the rare cases of pressure, but the 99% of the cases where they darn well know what they are doing and it is of their own free will.
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You are assuming your premise, i.e. that 99% of the cases are without pressure. I do not believe that at all. According to one study, some 73% of women who have abortions were under pressure from someone to do it.

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RhodesianSon said:
I do wonder what the reaction will be if we see a repeat of 16 where trump takes the EC but “loses” the popular vote.
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Yes. I was surprised the first time when people took to the streets, to protest a completely fair and democratic outcome. Unfortunately they’ve become more and more obdurate when they don’t get their way.
 
Thbolt said:
I experienced pressure to do something that is wrong and didn’t do it because it was wrong. Saying that I was pressured to partake into illegal drugs wouldn’t have given me a pass according to the law.
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I agree. For example, does a woman kill her husband at random, or is there usually some type of pressure that she is experiencing when she does so? Does that always leave her off the hook ? I think she still has to face up to the consequences of murdering her husband.
 
Thbolt said:
You act as if this means he changed his mind. If he did, then it is likely he would have said so. The fact that he said NOTHING means that what he said previously stays in place and that was that the war was unjust. Using that argument will negate anything that was previously said by any prelate because ‘the circumstances have changed’.
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That’s how you see it. I don’t share it.
Thbolt said:
This is an interesting study. Do you have a link to the original because it is pretty clear that we are looking at a partisan interpretation of it? That said, what exactly are “subtle forms of pressure” because I experienced pressure to do something that is wrong and didn’t do it because it was wrong. Saying that I was pressured to partake into illegal drugs wouldn’t have given me a pass according to the law.
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I couldn’t say. But I do believe it. One of my favorite charities is a Catholic home for women in danger of abortion. They are provided food, clothing, shelter, medical, psych if needed, detox if needed, education, job training and job placement. But most important of all, they say, is SAFETY. That’s safety from all kinds of people; parents, boyfriends, pimps, pushers, even “friends”.
 
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