Cecil the lion's killer revealed as American dentist

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This desire to travel thousands of miles and spend thousands of dollars to kill something is strange. He must be a narcissist or have a personality disorder. This same desire if he were an adolescent would almost certainly indicate that he would be a serial killer
Indeed, it may well be strange to some who are unfamiliar with hunting but the mere fact that you don’t understand it doesn’t make it narcisistic or a personality disorder. It strike me as narcisistic to assert that what is strange to you is disordered.
 
Don’t try to cast rich Americans as the only ones who are advocating for the lions. It is the people of Zimbabwe and the other African nations themselves who have set aside preserves. They realize, perhaps better than we do, the value of preserving their wild animal heritage. If anyone is telling the Africans what to do, it was you when you suggested culling whenever farming and lions are in conflict.
The “people of Zimbabwe” are not the ones threatening the dentist; they have other concerns in their lives. The African nations that have set up preserves have largely done so at the insistance (and often financial support) of rich nations.
 
Indeed, it may well be strange to some who are unfamiliar with hunting but the mere fact that you don’t understand it doesn’t make it narcisistic or a personality disorder. It strike me as narcisistic to assert that what is strange to you is disordered.
But it’s clearly not just me is it
 
Many places? Not in the United States do you go to a local grocery store and get venison.
You can in some places but generally not because it is not popular. But since you are too lazy to do your own research here is a place where you can buy it online:

elkusa.com/Venison.htm

Call 1-888-338-4581 and have it delivered to your door.
As you pointed out, you have to go to a producer. What is your point that elk and deer are famed? The animal is killed one way or another. Just because you can buy food does not negate the fact that hunting provides food as well.
My point is that nobody hunts for food. Food is a benefit of hunting but not the purpose. It is a very inefficient way to put meat on the table and has been since the domestication of animals some 8000 years ago.
 
But it’s clearly not just me is it
I don’t doubt that there are many who have no experience with hunting and can’t understand the sport. There are many with pitchforks in hand ready to lynch the dentist. That’s a fine mob you’ve gathered around yourself.
 
I don’t doubt that there are many who have no experience with hunting and can’t understand the sport. There are many with pitchforks in hand ready to lynch the dentist. That’s a fine mob you’ve gathered around yourself.
Well he doesnt belong to an endangered species so maybe we should wound him a bit. Run after him in a car for 40 hours and then skin him. Seems fair
 
As you can see by the postings, the fact that he thought it was legal means nothing.
I won’t say ‘nothing’, but it does not exonerate him. When you pick up a lethal weapon, you should take full responsibility. Likewise when you kill a member of an endangered species. You cannot blame the guide or mommy or daddy. You pulled the trigger.

If you choose to hunt with something like a bow, you are responsible for making it a clean kill, and if you can pay £50000 for the privilege you can pay a little more for someone with a rifle to clean up your mess if you miss.

This man has brought disgrace on the USA and the hunting community.
 
The “people of Zimbabwe” are not the ones threatening the dentist; they have other concerns in their lives. The African nations that have set up preserves have largely done so at the insistance (and often financial support) of rich nations.
That, and it is a source of revenue from tourism.

And yes, from the sale of hunting licenses as well.
 
I won’t say ‘nothing’, but it does not exonerate him. When you pick up a lethal weapon, you should take full responsibility. Likewise when you kill a member of an endangered species. You cannot blame the guide or mommy or daddy. You pulled the trigger.

If you choose to hunt with something like a bow, you are responsible for making it a clean kill, and if you can pay £50000 for the privilege you can pay a little more for someone with a rifle to clean up your mess if you miss.

This man has brought disgrace on the USA and the hunting community.
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The horror of the general public towards hunting - often because they have some funny perceptions about it and are a bit separated from nature - gets worse every time this happens.

Perhaps because when an American tourist gets caught killing baby elephants with a cheese grater or something for no earthly or practical reason they present a perfect pantomime evil caricature of all the worst things people think about hunters.

Which is sad, since it reflects poorly on actual hunters who love nature and act with competence and mercy.
 
That, and it is a source of revenue from tourism.

And yes, from the sale of hunting licenses as well.
Absolutely. None of these are mutually exclusive except to anti-hunting purists.

It may well be that, all things considered, nature preservres are the most productive use of the land. The people who live there care about such things.
 
Well he doesnt belong to an endangered species so maybe we should wound him a bit. Run after him in a car for 40 hours and then skin him. Seems fair
Because, as we have learned from Disney, animals are just human beings with funny faces.
 
Abortion is ‘legal’ loads of stuff is ‘legal’
This is just a throw away line and not the point. It is being promoted that the kill was illegal because the lion was protected which is not the reason that it was an illegal hunt. Abortion is legal you can’t charge the woman or the doctor with murder. It was pointed out that one lion provokes at outrage where millions of humans killed in the womb it promoted as a right.
 
Which is sad, since it reflects poorly on actual hunters who love nature and act with competence and mercy.
Anytime someone screws up as royally as the dentist did it reflects poorly on others engaged in the activity. But there is a difference between doing something wrong and doing something intrinsically wrong. And there is a difference between negligence and criminal intent.
 
Anytime someone screws up as royally as the dentist did it reflects poorly on others engaged in the activity. But there is a difference between doing something wrong and doing something intrinsically wrong.
What was his screw up? He trusted someone who was in a position to know? From a legal point of view what did he do wrong? There was nothing done that was intrinsically wrong. It is your point of view only which you believe makes it so.
 
What was his screw up? He trusted someone who was in a position to know? From a legal point of view what did he do wrong? There was nothing done that was intrinsically wrong. It is your point of view only which you believe makes it so.
He killed Cecil which nobody wanted. Whether he was criminal, negligent, or an innocent victim is something for the courts to work out. I posted an article which suggested that the courts have decided to hold a local hunter guide responsible for this error.

I am certainly not arguing that hunting is intrinsicly wrong. And I agree with you that the dentist is probably innocent in this case. It may well turn out that the local guide was innocent as well, made an honest mistake, but I doubt it.
 
I won’t say ‘nothing’, but it does not exonerate him. When you pick up a lethal weapon, you should take full responsibility. Likewise when you kill a member of an endangered species. You cannot blame the guide or mommy or daddy. You pulled the trigger.
Other hunters say that he was reasonable. You have not said anything that would say otherwise. It does look like he has a license but that the land owner didn’t.
If you choose to hunt with something like a bow, you are responsible for making it a clean kill, and if you can pay £50000 for the privilege you can pay a little more for someone with a rifle to clean up your mess if you miss.
This man has brought disgrace on the USA and the hunting community.
This is what happened so what is your beef?

Your entitled to your warp opinion
 
This is just a throw away line and not the point. It is being promoted that the kill was illegal because the lion was protected which is not the reason that it was an illegal hunt. Abortion is legal you can’t charge the woman or the doctor with murder. It was pointed out that one lion provokes at outrage where millions of humans killed in the womb it promoted as a right.
Well it’s debatable if this was legal and it addressed the point you thought you had made. Lawful fair and moral aren’t the same.
 
Anytime someone screws up as royally as the dentist did it reflects poorly on others engaged in the activity. But there is a difference between doing something wrong and doing something intrinsically wrong. And there is a difference between negligence and criminal intent.
He didn’t “screw up”, he lured an animal he was not allowed to kill from land he was not supposed to hunt it on, and having taken it upon himself to do that, killed it inhumanely causing it to suffer for 40 hours.

Even if it wasn’t a spectacular carnivore with no food on it that wasn’t vermin or a danger to the man or his food supply, even if was just luring a domestic animal from someone’s yard, it’s theft and whether he “knew” he was doing that or not, it was a needlessly inhumane kill. If he genuinely made no provision for a follow-up shot, I would say cruel.
Other hunters say that he was reasonable. You have not said anything that would say otherwise. It does look like he has a license but that the land owner didn’t.

This is what happened so what is your beef?

Your entitled to your warp opinion
I don’t think it’s a warped opinion, we are talking about a 40 hour pursuit here so that’s exactly what I thought.
 
He killed Cecil which nobody wanted. Whether he was criminal, negligent, or an innocent victim is something for the courts to work out. I posted an article which suggested that the courts have decided to hold a local hunter guide responsible for this error.

I am certainly not arguing that hunting is intrinsicly wrong. And I agree with you that the dentist is probably innocent in this case. It may well turn out that the local guide was innocent as well, made an honest mistake, but I doubt it.
It is a sad situation both from the lost of the lion and the man who’s life is ruined.
 
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