Child not getting married in the church

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In a marriage outside the Church, one is not in a situation where they cannot fulfill the lesser law.
Actually it is. If a couple studies Catholicism, understands it, but does not agree with it, doesn’t intend to keep the promises they are required to make to be married in the Church, and don’t intend to raise the kids Catholic they shouldn’t be getting married in the Church. But they still believe marriage is forever, don’t intend to divorce, love each other, etc.
You therefore create a hypothetical “perfect marriage” and conclude the wedding can be celebrated for just those qualities.
Once again, you miss the point, and it’s very frustrating.
What you seem to think, is that you can compartmentalize the wedding into everything that is good about marriage, and ignore how the wedding represents things that are against the faith and duty of the family.
Once again you miss the point and it’s very frustrating.
This is problematic, because the wedding also reflects a rejection of His Eucharist, and whatever reasons underlie that rejection. Plus, there is a warning from some that the couple might judge you for not celebrating this wedding with them and reject you!
Once again you miss the point and it’s very frustrating.
 
Actually it is. If a couple studies Catholicism, understands it, but does not agree with it, doesn’t intend to keep the promises they are required to make to be married in the Church, and don’t intend to raise the kids Catholic they shouldn’t be getting married in the Church. But they still believe marriage is forever, don’t intend to divorce, love each other, etc.
You seem to imply that this informed conclusion is not an ugly sin, but rather just an honest to goodness opinion. And their good relationship with one another removes their culpability for harming the body of the church through their absence and neglect.

I remember many disciples leaving Jesus because of His Teaching on His Eucharist. I doubt Jesus would attend their ceremonies, if they were not willing to follow Him.
 
I’m not missing your point. I happen to disagree that we can only celebrate certain aspects (of which we dont even know if they have fulfilled at their wedding!) of a wedding.

The wedding is inseparable from the known impediment, and what reasons underlie embracing the impediment.
 
The relationship is not being rejected.
The relationship isn’t being rejected…but it would be OK to call the individual’s spouse “partner, boyfriend/girlfriend, lover”…?
But if the couple decide to choose to reject the relationship
Or…stay with me here…the couple sees it as “you” are rejecting the relationship because you won’t attend their wedding. I usually attend the wedding of those close to me, if “you” can’t attend their wedding, maybe you weren’t as close after all… 🤷‍♂️
 
You seem to imply that this informed conclusion is not an ugly sin, but rather just an honest to goodness opinion.
It’s both. And it’s grave matter, but we cannot judge if all three conditions of mortal sin are met. Bottom line is if the couple don’t agree with Catholicism, they can’t get married in the Church.

Btw, I have close relatives who left the Catholic Church for an evangelical non-denominational Church, and believe me I’m heartbroken about it. Many members of our family have tried to reason with them, but they simply cannot be reckoned with. So what can you do? You let them be. Even God doesn’t force Himself on people.
And their good relationship with one another removes their culpability for harming the body of the church through their absence and neglect.
You yourself said on another thread to let them be on their way, to discipline anyone who breaks marriage laws and if they continue to rebel, let them go. That it’s better to have fewer members of the Church than to have many, if those many don’t follow the laws.
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Then they are not to be readmitted into the life of the Church. 1 Corinthians 5 God judges those out side. “Drive out the wicked person from among you.”
Now you seem to be arguing that they are harming the body by leaving and should remain in the Church despite not intending to meet the requirements of being in the Church.
I remember many disciples leaving Jesus because of His Teaching on His Eucharist. I doubt Jesus would attend their ceremonies, if they were not willing to follow Him.
Then don’t attend the wedding.
I’m not missing your point.
Hmmmmm…
I happen to disagree that we can only celebrate certain aspects
You know, I know of two couples who married in the Church and were divorced within two years. I know three more couples with at least one Catholic partner who married in the courthouse or in another church and are still going strong. Sticking it out through thick and thin, being faithful, intending to stay together until death, and raising children well are things to be celebrated. Especially when over 50% of marriages these days end in divorce.
 
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You know, I know of two couples who married in the Church and were divorced within two years.
And did they receive an annulment after? Did they go ask for one? Did they leave His Eucharist too?

You dont seem to underatand… I’m very against all impediments.

Were these couples divorcing with approval from the Church?
 
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You dont seem to underatand… I’m very against all impediments.
Oh believe me, I understand perfectly that you are very against all impediments. You’ve made that abundantly clear. And I don’t like the impediments any more than you do. However, I do not have the all-or-nothing mindset you seem to have.
And did they receive an annulment after? Did they go ask for one? Did they leave His Eucharist too?
Were these couples divorcing with approval from the Church?
So as long as they receive an annulment, continue to receive the Eucharist, or divorce with Church approval, divorce is perfectly fine?

I thought staying together until death do us part was one of the main things the Church was concerned about regarding marriage. Throughout this thread, you carry on about how marriages outside the Church are wrong because they allow for the couple divorcing and finding a new lover! But now you imply if that if the very same thing happens with Church approval it’s perfectly fine. You might not want to mention that to the couple whose wedding you’re refusing to attend. Talk about a double standard!
 
Yes, my point is this:

Did you know about the impediment of these couples too?

Of I did, I wouldnt attend their wedding either.

If I am aware of an impediment, I will not attend. Because I dont like the tribunals handing them out, and I dont like divorce.

I dont see the Church fighting divorce OR impediments!!!
 
So perhaps you can acknowledge that Church laws regarding marriage are not automatically a recipe for a holy marriage.

Actually you probably can’t. Don’t know why I asked. I know the answer is no you can’t acknowledge it.
 
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So tell me… did they get their annulments? Did they cry to the Church to apply an impediment, and the Church handed them one?
 
So tell me… did they get their annulments? Did they cry to the Church to apply an impediment, and the Church handed them one?
I don’t know. All I know is they got married in the Church like they were supposed to and their marriage didn’t last. What good was getting married in the Church?
 
Actually impediments prevent Holy Marriage.

I just dont like everyone committing these impediments. And I dont like the tribunals throwing nearly every failed relationship into an impediment. Its ridiculous
 
No, you dont know that. They would probably be told by the tribunal that they didnt get married like they were suppose to.
 
No, you dont know that. They would probably be told by the tribunal that they didnt get married like they were suppose to.
Fine. All impediments are evil. Don’t attend those weddings. If someone breaks off their relationship with you, it’s all their fault. All that matters is the law.
 
If the ceremony itself is an impediment, than yes of course the law matters.

I dont believe in divorce. And I, personally would not go to the tribunal and ask for an annulment. I encourage marriage.

Fighting impediments is a good idea in a Church that practically embraces them.
 
No. I’m saying the Church (the people) doesnt fight against impediments occurring.

It’s as though they like to have them all ready to dish out when the marriage doesnt lead to bliss.

I dont agree with the American tribunal. But it’s the law, because it’s being applied to all these Catholics who want a new romance.

I say stick out the marriage til death. And strive to overcome all impediments
 
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Interesting…you seem to think the law isn’t right.
No, I think interpreters (American tribunals) of the law have gone off the rails.
How is that different from saying the Church is wrong?
The Church, in her Teaching and Sacraments are not wrong. Individual Catholics can be.
 
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