Connecticut school shooting: Lawmakers offer prayers amid calls for gun control

[JohnVictor]

While the AR15 may have come from a hunting rifle, it has striking resemblances to the M16 I used in the military. They both use the same caliber bullet.

I’ve never hunted fox, but have hunted, hogs, deer, turkey, quail, dove, and squirrels. I’ve used shotguns, 30 06, .and 22 rifles. The larger shotguns and 30 06 for deer.

Besides pistols, what type weapons are mass killers using, in general; what does the public identify those weapons as?

Straw man.

Again… they are not assault rifles.

…and the kid did not use a rifle

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[EmperorNapoleon]

wow!! do u have anything to back such a statement, or just yer point of view? Im not arguinin the fact that a criminal could possibly buy a gun from another criminal, but to say that registered gun dealers do NOT do a background check 40% of the time is uneducated at best!! I can assure u, EVERY new gun I have ever bought, I have gone threw a background check!

Here. And the important point to made here is this; 40% are from unlicensed sellers, for example, over the internet. They’re not legally required to perform background checks so it should be no surprise that such a large portion of gun sales are performed by unlicensed sellers. Any felon could go to ebay right now and buy a gun or, as the source points out, even a local gun show.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Im sorry if I’ve missed something. but yer sayin we should ban AR’s cause the overall perception of the uninformed sees it as a mass killer?

It’s a public made version of the M16. While I was ‘expert’ with it in the military, it’s not my preference for hunting deer, or hogs, and I’ve never seen others use them as such.

 

[JohnVictor]

wow!! do u have anything to back such a statement, or just yer point of view?

Im not arguinin the fact that a criminal could possibly buy a gun from another criminal, but to say that registered gun dealers do NOT do a background check 40% of the time is uneducated at best!!

I can assure u, EVERY new gun I have ever bought, I have gone threw a background check!

chadair… I think he made that one up.

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[Bill_Martin]

Here. And the important point to made here is this; 40% are from unlicensed sellers, for example, over the internet. They’re not legally required to perform background checks so it should be no surprise that such a large portion of gun sales are performed by unlicensed sellers.

Nice unbiased source.

It is illegal to transfer a firearm to a prohibited person. It is illegal to sell a gun online and ship it to a person’s address. It is illegal to buy one and have it shipped to your address.

 

[chadair]

It’s a public made version of the M16. While I was ‘expert’ with it in the military, it’s not my preference for hunting deer, or hogs, and I’ve never seen others use them as such.

I do have a buddy who hunts with an AR.
but what yer sayin, is because u prefer NOT to hunt with an AR, they should be BANNED??

if NOT I apologies n advance!!

 

[JohnVictor]

It’s a public made version of the M16. While I was ‘expert’ with it in the military, it’s not my preference for hunting deer, or hogs, and I’ve never seen others use them as such.

Wrong. Chambered in .308 its very widely used today to hunt deer.

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[chadair]

chadair… I think he made that one up.

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well if he didn’t, I did see it came from the Brady bunch

 

[irishpatrick]

How can we do that when:

20% of Catholics pray once a month or less
28% of Catholic don’t believe or are uncertain there is a god
10% of Catholics don’t believe religion isn’t important
80% of Catholics believe there are multiple ways to interpret the Teachings of the Church

You can go try and save this evil culture by spreading the News…I’m going to try and focus on the Church, because I find that more important than the culture…as for the last thing. No Christian was called to prevent Israel or Rome from collapsing…they are called to follow Christ, not the culture.

The Church will shrink and shrink and shrink if we do not try to convert hearts. The Apostles, who were directly chosen and called by Christ, went into the world to convert it to Christ. They did not worry only of themselves–they worried about all the souls around them, and they started the conversion of the ancient world. Saint Patrick was called to help convert the nearly all pagan land of Ireland–he was not called to just focus on himself. We are Jesus’ arms, hands, and legs, in this world.

I never said follow the culture, I said we have to convert the culture as did Jesus, as did His Apostles, and as did hundreds of Saints through the centuries. The Church is US, it is not some unseen entity–the Church means nothing if there are no faithful. Look at Europe with gorgeous Cathedrals that have 5-6% Mass attedance…those buildings are meaningless without people there to worship and receive the Lord.

The culture needs to receive the light of Christ–period. It is our call to give the culture that light in any way we can where we are right now! If it is through prayer and fasting, so be it. If it is through speaking to one person at a time, so be it. If it is write books or blogs, so be it. If it is teach Catechism classes, so be it. If it is to minster to the poor, so be it…whatever our call is, we must begind doing it. There is not a lack of workers, there is a lack of workers saying yes to the Lord.

At least 20% of USA Catholics are faithful–that equates to about 14,000,000 Catholics who can help turn this thing around. We must do that for the sake of souls, and for the sake of kingdom.

The light of Christ is still available…it is still there…we must be the salt and the light to the world. One does not hide their lampstand, they place it on a table so all can benefit.

 

[JohnVictor]

Here. And the important point to made here is this; 40% are from unlicensed sellers, for example, over the internet. They’re not legally required to perform background checks so it should be no surprise that such a large portion of gun sales are performed by unlicensed sellers. Any felon could go to ebay right now and buy a gun or, as the source points out, even a local gun show.

A link from the Brady Center… LOL

So how did they find out about and count the private sales?

LOL

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Nice unbiased source.

Which contains plenty of citations from the ATF but I’m guessing you didn’t read it.

It is illegal to transfer a firearm to a prohibited person. It is illegal to sell a gun online and ship it to a person’s address. It is illegal to buy one and have it shipped to your address.

It is not illegal to sell firearms online. It is not illegal to send firearms through the mail (FedEx will do it for you). Its not even illegal to sell or rent a gun to someone who doesn’t have a license. As long as you don’t ask any questions, which happens in 40% of gun sales, you are legally allowed to do all of those things.

 

[Bill_Martin]

Which contains plenty of citations from the ATF but I’m guessing you didn’t read it.

It is not illegal to sell firearms online. It is not illegal to send firearms through the mail (FedEx will do it for you). Its not even illegal to sell or rent a gun to someone who doesn’t have a license. As long as you don’t ask any questions, which happens in 40% of gun sales, you are legally allowed to do all of those things.

If you send a firearm through the mail, it must be sent to an FFL holder who will do an NICS check. Selling a gun to someone without a license is illegal if that person lives in a state where a license is required. Regardless of whether that is required, it is still illegal to sell to him if he is a prohibited person.

 

[livingwordunity]

Hardly. 40% of gun sales are done without so much as a background check. It is extraordinarily easy for the criminally minded to build their own arsenals through legal channels.

The killer tried to buy a rifle and was denied. So what you are presenting is a straw man argument.

 

[chadair]

Which contains plenty of citations from the ATF but I’m guessing you didn’t read it.

It is not illegal to sell firearms online. It is not illegal to send firearms through the mail (FedEx will do it for you). Its not even illegal to sell or rent a gun to someone who doesn’t have a license. As long as you don’t ask any questions, which happens in 40% of gun sales, you are legally allowed to do all of those things.

Im not gonna argue those stats, and they may very well be correct, its really irrelevant to the tragedy of yesterday. the boy took the guns from his mother! NO background check woulda stopped it! NO gun bans on “ASSAULT RIFLES” woulda stopped it!

so PLEASE, tell me why any gun regulation would unarm anyone other than law abiding citizens?? it’s a very simple question that NO gun control advocate can answer!!

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Regardless of whether that is required, it is still illegal to sell to him if he is a prohibited person.

And you’re missing the point that unlicensed sellers are not required to ask or perform background checks. Can you provide any good reason why anyone should be allowed to purchase a weapon at a gun show without a background check or waiting period? That is the legal state of things.

so PLEASE, tell me why any gun regulation would unarm anyone other than law abiding citizens?? it’s a very simple question that NO gun control advocate can answer!!

It is a very simple question that anyone can answer starting with the elimination of the absurd idea that anyone who walks into a gun show is a law abiding citizen. I think the lives of 18 children are worth the minor inconvenience to people who haven’t demonstrated an ability or intent to use guns lawfully.

 

[Brendan]

While the AR15 may have come from a hunting rifle, it has striking resemblances to the M16 I used in the military. They both use the same caliber bullet.

Yes, the 5.56mm used by both the AR and M-16 is the .223 Remington with slighly different powder and full jacketed ammo. The .233 predated both firearms as a varmit hunting round.

I’ve never hunted fox, but have hunted, hogs, deer, turkey, quail, dove, and squirrels. I’ve used shotguns, 30 06, .and 22 rifles. The larger shotguns and 30 06 for deer.

.22 doesn’t guarantee a quick kill on a coyote and shotgun is generally too close range.

Besides pistols, what type weapons are mass killers using, in general; what does the public identify those weapons as?

Explosives. And the public identifies those things as propane, diesel fuel, JP4 and fertilizer.

Really, the biggest school killing in the US did not involve firearms at all, but dynamite. And remember, the Columbine killings involved a bombs as well (leveraging propane gas canisters, they guys just misset most of them.

 

[JohnVictor]

Which contains plenty of citations from the ATF but I’m guessing you didn’t read it.

It is not illegal to sell firearms online. It is not illegal to send firearms through the mail (FedEx will do it for you). Its not even illegal to sell or rent a gun to someone who doesn’t have a license. As long as you don’t ask any questions, which happens in 40% of gun sales, you are legally allowed to do all of those things.

ROFLMAO

First I found it on page 5. Without a mention of the source of the data, or study… nothing. 40% Just made up whole cloth.

Wow… you have no idea what you’re talking about. No gun can be sold online without being sent to a federally licensed gun dealer that does a full Federal and state background check before buyer can receive.
WOW.

 

[Bill_Martin]

And you’re missing the point that unlicensed sellers are not required to ask or perform background checks. Can you provide any good reason why anyone should be allowed to purchase a weapon at a gun show without a background check or waiting period? That is the legal state of things.

Because we are free men and women. See Constitution, Amendment no. 2.

Are you willing to trade freedom for the illusion of security? You will end up with neither.

 

[chadair]

And you’re missing the point that unlicensed sellers are not required to ask or perform background checks. Can you provide any good reason why anyone should be allowed to purchase a weapon at a gun show without a background check or waiting period? That is the legal state of things.

it’s irrelevant if u can buy a gun at a gun show!!

Criminals are NOT buyin their weapons at gun shows!! they buy them from other criminals or cut out the middle man and STEAL them them selves!!!

 

[JohnVictor]

it’s irrelevant if u can buy a gun at a gun show!!

Criminals are NOT buyin their weapons at gun shows!! they buy them from other criminals or cut out the middle man and STEAL them them selves!!!

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