Connecticut school shooting: Lawmakers offer prayers amid calls for gun control

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JohnVictor said:
Schools didn’t become targets mass killers until the 1990s about the time Gun Free School Zones were created along with school Zero Tolerance policies.

The laws were created to keep growing gang violence in nearby neighborhoods at bay. But as ALL ill-conceived liberal acts seem to do… it had unintended consequences. The schools soon become attractive targets for disturbed teens who want to go on an uncontested shooting spree.

I notice you dodged my question: Have you ever heard of a mass shooting at a gun show, gun range, or police station?

Mass murderers may be insane, but they’re not stupid. They look for easy targets to do their last act of violence… Expecting criminals or the suicidal to honor laws is just another liberal fantasy.
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Prodigal_Son1 said:
But until the ‘trade’ we continue operating under two wrongs make a right?..

So called Christians? I see Christians on these forums calling for more control. No one is defining the exact controls, but it is accepted some seek more than what we have now.
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This nation, and this world is a mess. We must take steps to make it better. The worst practice humanity has ever devised is legal abortion. We must start taking steps toward being a culture of life. If not, we really are doomed as a people.

So, while two wrong never make a right, if we can take steps to move toward a culture of life, than we should try!

Being able to save 300,000 babies is no small step!
 
someperson555 said:
this is borderline blasphemy. when will you conservatives catholics realise that Jesus wasnt a gun toting, beer drinking, red neck republican. stop trying to associate politics with religion.
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Yet you’re leveling the charge that every Republican is a beer-swilling redneck? Pot, meet kettle. When will you ralize that you can’t smear people, just because you disagree with them?

I’ve provided a link the the catechism regarding self defense.
 
someperson555 said:
this is borderline blasphemy. when will you conservatives catholics realise that Jesus wasnt a gun toting, beer drinking, red neck republican. stop trying to associate politics with religion.
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I agree with you. Jesus did say He not come to bring peace, but the sword. Yet, he was using a metaphor to describe a spiritual reality. We see this being played out every day.
 
someperson555 said:
youre kidding me, another catholic in favour of drug legalization? so stopping the spread of aids by using condoms is “evil”, while using hard drugs and owning guns is “everyones personal right”. this is why i cant take anyone here seriously.
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Uhhh, yeah, because that’s what he was saying. 🤷

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I think the point was that merely making something illegal doesn’t stop its widespread use.
 
Would Jesus want us to give-up some guns in order to save 300,000 innocent babies?
 
scipio337 said:
Uhhh, yeah, because that’s what he was saying. 🤷

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony

I think the point was that merely making something illegal doesn’t stop its widespread use.
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But, the left thinks it will help. So, why can’t we use that to inch our nation toward a more prolife position?

Honestly, if we really were a true prolife nation, would we need guns for anything, other than hunting?
 
I have seen those images where it shows Jesus helping a kid to bat in baseball, those are sold in Catholic stores.

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BroomWagon said:
Absolutely, there have been a few posts like this.

Put God, Prayer fully back into the schools, Christian values too.
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I went to a rural VA HS populated by Evangelicals and had to sit in on their emotionally charged drivel. I didn’t want to share in their prayer and yet I was forced as it was at all of the pep rallies, games, assemblies, and graduations.

I would be furious if I discovered that my child was being forced to sit in with Protestant’s prayers.

Keep public school secular and let folks who desire a religious education for their kids send them. . . gasp. . . to a religious school.
 
irishpatrick said:
This nation, and this world is a mess. We must take steps to make it better. The worst practice humanity has ever devised is legal abortion. We must start taking steps toward being a culture of life. If not, we really are doomed as a people.

So, while two wrong never make a right, if we can take steps to move toward a culture of life, than we should try!

Being able to save 300,000 babies is no small step!
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The irony, I notice, is that some say a vote supports killing of children, in reference to abortion, and the same people making the argument argue against gun control that also contributes to the death of children. It seems real pro life people would argue against abortion, and for gun control in these type instances; life in all instances and concepts.

Where was the trade off in choosing a candidate in this past election? Why not find a candidate that is fully pro life, but will make concessions on the ‘other issues’? We have an example of the gun control issue in the center of the debate right now.
 
didymus said:
I found this last week on Mark Shea’s blog:

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He did say to sell your cloak and buy a sword.
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someperson555 said:
this is borderline blasphemy. when will you conservatives catholics realise that Jesus wasnt a gun toting, beer drinking, red neck republican. stop trying to associate politics with religion.
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I never saw this in the bible before until now:

Luke 22

35 And he [Jesus] said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.”
36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.
37 For I tell you that this scripture must be fulfilled in me, `And he was reckoned with transgressors’; for what is written about me has its fulfilment.”
38 And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”
 
scipio337 said:
Yet you’re leveling the charge that every Republican is a beer-swilling redneck? Pot, meet kettle. When will you ralize that you can’t smear people, just because you disagree with them?

I’ve provided a link the the catechism regarding self defense.
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oh for goodness sake stop coming at me with that quote from the catechism. everytime i argue with people on here i just get a barrage of the same argument over and over. the catechism speaks about self defense. no one debating anyones right to protect themselves. the argument here is over gun control. and as i have proven earlier, the church supports gun control.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Someone actually posted 4 articles about shootings at a gun range, and I think gun shows might be a possible place to make unregistered transactions.

Can you provide a Gospel message supporting your view?
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I didn’t see the post - but I will stipulate that there quite naturally MUST be the rare shooting at a gun range.  The range I go to LIKE MOST ranges, has live fire 12hrs a day 6 days a week.  There’s been 2 or 3 accidents and one day a fellow shot another guy in argument over his wife, about 12 years ago.    No mass shootings though.  

They wouldn't get off 3 rounds. LOL

**But you dodged the question: Have you ever heard of mass shootings** at to a gun range?



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irishpatrick said:
But, the left thinks it will help. So, why can’t we use that to inch our nation toward a more prolife position?

Honestly, if we really were a true prolife nation, would we need guns for anything, other than hunting?
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I would support it. Not because I think gun laws are just, but because abortion is a grave evil. But why start at 8 weeks?

I don’t believe most on the left would accept your proposal.
 
livingwordunity said:
I never saw this in the bible before until now:

Luke 22

35 And he [Jesus] said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.”
36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.
37 For I tell you that this scripture must be fulfilled in me, `And he was reckoned with transgressors’; for what is written about me has its fulfilment.”
38 And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”
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Spend the time to read what the early Church fathers, and other theologians, wrote about that passage before making it out to be something it clearly is not.
 
livingwordunity said:
I never saw this in the bible before until now:

Luke 22

35 And he [Jesus] said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.”
36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.
37 For I tell you that this scripture must be fulfilled in me, `And he was reckoned with transgressors’; for what is written about me has its fulfilment.”
38 And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”
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here he talks about self defense. your point is?
 
irishpatrick said:
You are not thinking this through. I agree with what you are saying, and sadly I agree more strict guns laws will not help. We need a foundational shift to change this culture to one that respects all life…buuuut, we cannot get that shift unless we try. We must give something big to get something big!
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and you are willing to trust our gov’t to stick to their word on such a trade??
I personally am NOT willing to make such a trade. Abortion is wrong!! we shouldn’t be bargaining anything on that point!

what next, we would bargain forks and spoons to get God back in schools? Obesity has to be blamed on the fork and spoons. Lord knows for anyone to take personal responsiblity for any of their own actions in this day and age.

explain to me how me forfieting my right to bear arms is gonna keep criminals from breakin the law???

the guy was an evil person. I’m a fairly large guy, and if someone took my gun away and I still wanted to do harm to others because of my mental disposition, Im quite sure over half america could NOT stop me!!
 
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