Conservatives Demand Kids of Gays be Expelled

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StJeanneDArc:
Can you give us an example of a priest that was cast out and hated? Furthermore, I don’t believe that I’ve seen in this thread any abuse of homosexuals. If you believe there is, could you give us an example?

To get back to the original thread topic, I’m not so sure that given the situation described, that those children should be expelled. I think the school, if they knew before they admitted those children, should not have admitted them in the first place. However, once they’re in I do think it’s wrong for some of the parents to call for their expulsion. If that were the situation in my school I would seriously consider withdrawing my own children. No one has really addressed my point about the other parents’ duty to protect their own children. Does anyone think that matters?
Yes, I think it matters. The sin of scandal is lost on our generation. I suppose one would have to explain, at the appropriate age, that the parents of the child are not living as God expects us to live. If not, then why bother teaching the child about the moral law?
 
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TarAshly:
i have certificates that suggest otherwise my “friend”. dont disparrage me because i disagree with you. save your insults for someone who they would have an impact on. you dont know me, dont presume to.
What certificates could you possibly have that say you do not have to agree with the Church in matters of faith, dogma, doctrine, and Tradition in order to be a Catholic? Please tell me exactly what they are and what they say.
 
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caroljm36:
Does the average Catholic school really teach doctrine anymore? I have no personal experience but the impression I’m getting here is that most are as PC as public schools and most teachers don’t really understand the faith like the nuns did back in the day. I mean that’s the first thing that popped into my mind–the school probably wouldn’t say anything to hurt their feelings anyway.

Certainly the kids of gay marriage should not be penalized. That would really be hypocritical. The complaining parents instead should be wondering what is being taught. That’s were all the trouble is going to come from.
Actually, I’m really pleased to report that my children’s parish school in Houston is orthodox. Our pastor states openly that religion is the most important subject and teaching God’s word is the reason for having the school in the first place. We have excellent religion teachers in the school and believe me I scrutinize those religion text books every chance I get.
 
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Lance:
What certificates could you possibly have that say you do not have to agree with the Church in matters of faith, dogma, doctrine, and Tradition in order to be a Catholic? Please tell me exactly what they are and what they say.
i didnt say that i have certificates that say i can disagree i have free will that gives me that. i said i have certificates that state i am not a protestant. such as my baptism and confirmation certificates and my certification as a CCE educator.
 
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StJeanneDArc:
Actually, I’m really pleased to report that my children’s parish school in Houston is orthodox. Our pastor states openly that religion is the most important subject and teaching God’s word is the reason for having the school in the first place. We have excellent religion teachers in the school and believe me I scrutinize those religion text books every chance I get.
I am truly glad to hear that! 👍
 
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TarAshly:
i didnt say that i have certificates that say i can disagree i have free will that gives me that. i said i have certificates that state i am not a protestant. such as my baptism and confirmation certificates and my certification as a CCE educator.
Tar, I think people tend to jump on your words becuase for so long in the Church we have had folks who claimed to be Catholic and were teaching error. Not folks who were simply mistaken, or were open to correction, but folks with a distinct agenda.

It is one thing for a non Catholic who does not know the faith to have questions or misunderstanding. It is quite another for a Catholic to hold views that contradict the faith. As Catholics we should be on the same page. We all assent to the teachings of the Church. Questioning is fine, but to say we have the truth, even when the Church, lead by the HS, says the opposite is troubling to many.
 
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TarAshly:
i didnt say that i have certificates that say i can disagree i have free will that gives me that. i said i have certificates that state i am not a protestant. such as my baptism and confirmation certificates and my certification as a CCE educator.
I agree you have free will, as we all do; however you must agree with the church in matters of faith, dogma, doctrine, and Tradition in order to be a Catholic. There is no such thing as a cafeteria Catholic, as much as some would like there to be, you are either Catholic or you are not. You can claim to be Catholic but if you disagree with the Church in even one of these matters you in fact are not Catholic. You may want to be Catholic but you are not unless you agree with the Church 100% in these matters.
 
Dear TarAshly:

There is no question that we as Catholics (and as human beings, for that matter) have free will. Likewise, when we exercise our free will and make choices that are not in line with Church teaching, we are still “Catholic” in some sense of the word, but that DOES NOT mean we are “in communion with” the Catholic Church. If I exercise my free will as a Catholic and commit a mortal sin, I still remain Catholic, but I certainly have fallen out of full communion with Holy Mother Church until I have been restored through the sacrament of penance.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains all of this very clearly.

In faith,
Fiat
 
WOW…a confirmation certificate…I guess that is a blank check to commit heresy and go against The Church? If it is…please explain how so…if not…personal opinions are meaningless. Back to the reference to protestants…they split away from the Church because they wanted to change things they found expedient, which is no different than what you are doing.
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TarAshly:
i didnt say that i have certificates that say i can disagree i have free will that gives me that. i said i have certificates that state i am not a protestant. such as my baptism and confirmation certificates and my certification as a CCE educator.
 
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Lance:
I agree you have free will, as we all do; however you must agree with the church in matters of faith, dogma, doctrine, and Tradition in order to be a Catholic. There is no such thing as a cafeteria Catholic, as much as some would like there to be, you are either Catholic or you are not. You can claim to be Catholic but if you disagree with the Church in even one of these matters you in fact are not Catholic. You may want to be Catholic but you are not unless you agree with the Church 100% in these matters.
i flat out 100% blatantly and undeniably disagree with you on most everything you have ever posted. unless you are the pope himself who are you to tell me im not catholic. i am! a well respected one in my parish. i will pray someday that God will grant you with the understanding and compassion that so many people Catholic or not lack.
 
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dumspirospero:
WOW…a confirmation certificate…I guess that is a blank check to commit heresy and go against The Church? If it is…please explain how so…if not…personal opinions are meaningless. Back to the reference to protestants…they split away from the Church because they wanted to change things they found expedient, which is no different than what you are doing.
again i say…save it!
 
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TarAshly:
i flat out 100% blatantly and undeniably disagree with you on most everything you have ever posted. unless you are the pope himself who are you to tell me im not catholic. i am! a well respected one in my parish. i will pray someday that God will grant you with the understanding and compassion that so many people Catholic or not lack.
I can see we have nothing further to discuss. I am sure you have read all my posts, I will admit I have only read yours in this thread that I know of. Thanks for your prayers, I need them. I will include you in mine.
 
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TarAshly:
i flat out 100% blatantly and undeniably disagree with you on most everything you have ever posted. unless you are the pope himself who are you to tell me im not catholic. i am! a well respected one in my parish. i will pray someday that God will grant you with the understanding and compassion that so many people Catholic or not lack.
I do not think anyone is saying you are not a baptized Catholic. It is just that your words say you pick and choose the teachings you want to assent to. Can you cite a reference saying that is a proper thing for a Catholic to do?
 
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TarAshly:
i flat out 100% blatantly and undeniably disagree with you on most everything you have ever posted. unless you are the pope himself who are you to tell me im not catholic. i am! a well respected one in my parish. i will pray someday that God will grant you with the understanding and compassion that so many people Catholic or not lack.
TarAshly, perhaps it would be more accurate to say you’re not in conformity with the Church if you hold views contrary to the declared doctrine on faith and morals. One of those doctrines is that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil. Please remember that the Church requires you to assent to the teaching, not understand it. I’ve been on this journey with regards to artificial contraception. I started by obeying the teaching even though I didn’t understand it. I now see the wisdom and truth in it.

It really doesn’t matter if you’re well-respected in your parish. We’re not Catholics for social approval, as I’m sure you know.
 
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Lance:
I can see we have nothing further to discuss. I am sure you have read all my posts, I will admit I have only read yours in this thread that I know of. Thanks for your prayers, I need them. I will include you in mine.
Thank you for including me in your prayers we all need them and i am in desperate need of a prayer to teach me patience and a more cool head. i apologize if i got to harsh or carried away. my faith is something i hold very dear and have had to face a lot of judgement and ridicule my my husbands family and my own due to being the only Catholic. the Catholic jokes are never ending so i can tend to be a little over sensitive. again i apologize.
 
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TarAshly:
you wanna know why there is a higher rate of depression and suicide and substance abuse amoung the gay community??? because they are ostricized, beaten, murdered, victimized and outcast by an unwanting unwelcoming and unfriendly society. !
So TarAshley you have a PhD in social science or psychology and you personally know that this statement has been supported by verifiable results? Or, as I suggest, you have been bamboozled by the gay activists who get a lot of milage by being victims? Even the poster child for gay bigotry, Mathhew Shepherd has been shown to be simply a very unfortunate drug addict who interacted with the wrong people. His homosexuality was a trumped up issue that fed the homosexual activists’ cause but has been debunked.

Do you have any evidence that homosexuals are routinely sought out, abused, tortured, ostracized? Really? Let’s see we have numerous prime time TV shows featuring openly homosexual actors or hosts. These shows have extremely high ratings. Homosexuals are successful in all professions, in politics, in literature, in art and certainly in fashion and design. You are living in a fabricated world that tries to justify normalizing abnormal behavior.
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TarAshly:
i thank God every day that i belong to a beautiful church like the one here where openmindedness, love and acceptance are the goal rather than cold hearted calousness by people that berate and abuse people of different lifestyles. are not a minority of priests homosexuals? and becoming a priest is their way of dealing with it? to love and serve God and remain celebate? most people adore their priests,but once its made public that that priest is gay they are out cast and hated. i think its time for Catholics in general to open their eyes otherwise we will have a salem witch trial all over again. i am a proud strong faithful Catholic and a CCE teacher. i dont teach my children to hate i teach them that our mission is to love as God has loved. i dont think God would punish berate and abuse homosexuals as some do, in the public, in the media and on the internet! also the series a child called it is a perfect point of how foster system can go HORRIBLY wrong. thats my point!
You lose the argument by overstating your case. So tell me where you see all these poor homosexuals behing punished, berated, and abused in public, the media and the internet? You are far to shrill to even make sense at this point. As demonstrated every single night on TV, homosexuals are, if anything, glamorized by our media.

Further you completely ignore that utter disaster that homosexual priests caused. A celibate homosexual priest is one thing and I’ve not seen any concerted effort to drag non-practicing homosexuals out of the closet for persecution, have you?

But to ignore that homosexuality is abnormal and associated with other deviant behaviors is burying your head in the sand. A chaste homosexual will not be attacked, abused, or tortured by ANYONE. It’s when they violate laws, violate societal norms, or demand special privileges that they draw fire.

Lisa N
 
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Pug:
Since we are talking about the case of not allowing homosexual parents to adopt, could someone please supply a real list of reasons parents are currently excluded from adopting? Nicole mentions that some people with illnesses can adopt, but I’m sure some illnesses will disqualify.
Hi there,

I’m not an expert, but I have been through the process. I think the key for an illness is whether one, you still have the ability to properly care for a child. And two, if it your life span is really not expected to be that long, that would be an exclusion. On my adoption list, disablities, such as paralysis, etc. are not exclusions.

Also, aside from illness, you do have to have a state criminal background check and be fingerprinted and cleared by the FBI. I assume any child-related offenses would be a disqualifier, and a felony would be a big flag. Some friends had a misdemeanor disturbing the peace charge and just had to explain it on their paperwork.

And one more thing, the agency I worked with had a sliding scale for their fees, based on income.

Nicole
 
I pray for your parish…because if your outlook is what they offer up as “role model” Catholic…then that is just upsetting to me. Please do no pray that God will enlighten me with heresy, because if you pray that I understand and follow your beliefs…then you are praying that I become a heretic…no thank you. I would like to remain an orthodox Catholic…God Bless you and I will pray for you.
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TarAshly:
i flat out 100% blatantly and undeniably disagree with you on most everything you have ever posted. unless you are the pope himself who are you to tell me im not catholic. i am! a well respected one in my parish. i will pray someday that God will grant you with the understanding and compassion that so many people Catholic or not lack.
 
What a contentious topic. Pro gay, anti gay, children in school, children out of school, yet I wonder,… has anyone asked the chidren?

For those of you that condemn or condone out of hand I would remind you the Church condemns the sin, not the sinner. It’s worth remembering that sometimes.
 
TatAshly,
StJeanneDArc said it much better than I could (read her post above). If you open your heart you can learn a lot about our faith on these boards. I know I have. There are a lot of people here who are very orthadox and willing to share their knowledge and faith. We are not required to understand, only believe. If someone points out a error in you thinking, belief, judgement or lack thereof, they are not saying you are a bad person and most only want you to see the error of your ways. In doing so you may point out that the other person is in error and do them the favor of allowing them to correct their ways. We are allowed to disagree with the Pope when he is not speaking Ex Cathedra. So we do have some leeway. Bless you, I know how hard it can be to be a Catholic in some areas of the south.
 
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