Could Joe Biden be reached?

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on_the_hill:
I’ll vote for Joe if he’s the nominee. As a Catholic, Biden has qualities about him that the other guy simply doesn’t have. I’ve found that to be the case with most people I know.
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Very little angers me more than someone who claims to be Catholic unrepentantly living against Church teaching.
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I’m with you on this, but when I express concern about this — I try never to be “angry” about anything — I’m accused of “judging”.

Maybe I say things people don’t want to hear?
 
Peeps said:
We should care very VERY greatly if the President pursues an economic development that creates JOBS–not just really really GOOD jobs that make everyone equally well-off–that’s not realistic!
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Haven’t wages stagnated?
 
blackforest said:
Me too. Voting at all feels as pointless as raking leaves on a windy day. But voting my conscience at least shows elected officials that I showed up at the polls and care about my country.
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Voting third party, even in a legitimately hopeless election for them, confers some benefits that not voting doesn’t. Various states give benefits to parties whose candidates get a certain threshold (easier or guaranteed ballot access in the next election, saving them the trouble of having to get it again), it at least communicates better what you want from a candidate (and may give them or their party more attention), and there’s always the fact that if enough people vote third party, that person is elected, whereas if that same number of people don’t vote, nothing changes.

I suppose one could say that most of the third parties aren’t necessarily much better than the major ones in terms of their platform, but thankfully the American Solidarity Party is around, which lines up far better with Catholic social teaching than any other party I know of in the country.
 
The first thing is as opposed to whom? Trump? Every single day, Trump lies in his tweets and on TV…not just subtle lies of memory but out and out bald faced lies. Just yesterday he said he had an innate abililty to know science better than experts? This is nuts? Why would you vote for a man who has the attributes of Adolf Hitler? (Delegitimizing the press, blaming immigrants and muslims (substitute jews) for our problems, dividing the nation, puting Putin’s word ahead of his own people, etc, etc, )… So cult of personality aside, Joe Biden is an angel of mercy in comparison… He is NOT anything close to the liar that Trump is… BTW, this harping on abortion is not accurate, and I wish Catholics would get a grip. Abortion is NOT a binary thing. The church does approve abortion in the case of the mother’s life, suicide, etc…and those numbers account for approcimately 1/3 of all abortions in the USA alone…so it’s not quite as black and white as both sides seem to declare… and I believe Biden is somewhere in the middle because of that. Like all politicians he isn’t going to say much on the subject until he gets elected…he wants those votes…but you won’t hear him aggressively defend all cases of abortion.
 
webmasterpdx said:
…BTW, this harping on abortion is not accurate, and I wish Catholics would get a grip. Abortion is NOT a binary thing. The church does approve abortion in the case of the mother’s life, suicide, etc…and those numbers account for approcimately 1/3 of all abortions in the USA alone…so it’s not quite as black and white as both sides seem to declare…
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I suggest you inform yourself on the actual Church teaching on abortion.

Also, the prevalence of abortion when the life of the mother is at stake is not what you assume. Abortion is never medically necessary to save the life of the mother.

“As experienced practitioners and researchers in obstetrics and gynaecology, we affirm that direct abortion – the purposeful destruction of the unborn child – is not medically necessary to save the life of a woman.​

https://www.dublindeclaration.com/

Abortion is directly killing an innocent human being. It IS a “binary thing.”
 
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Of we all voted against the status quo, and for The Solidarity party, then the both Republicans and Democrats will stop taking us for granted.

Earn my vote!
 
webmasterpdx said:
The first thing is as opposed to whom? Trump?
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That’s what I struggle with every day my friend. I voted for Trump the first time around, even though I’m a registered democrat who up until that point, never voted for a republican in my life aside from one governors race and maybe in some local races. Right now, if the election was held today, I’d vote for Biden.
 
This is what I"m talking about. Dublindeclaration.com is an anti-abortion site that if followed will kill women. In the case of an ectopic pregnancy, the foetus attaches outside the womb, the woman will die if it’s not removed 100% of the time…approx 64000 cases per year in the USA. There are several other cases. As to the churches teachings on the subject…It depends where you read it. However, the idea is that killing of a child is wrong and I agree that our society’s approach to abortion and treating it like a haircut is intrinsically evil. The churches point of view is that at all costs we should try to save both, but if it’s 100% likely that the mother will die if the foetus is not removed and it’s 100% likely that the foetus will also die, I see that the only course of action is to remove said foetus. The church believes that it’s OK to remove a cancerous womb and kill a foetus…I just read that online. Part of the problem is the language used to express their views on abortion is so vague that it’s difficult to figure out what they are saying…they seem to go out of their way to say “Let the mother die” in a politically correct way. Sometimes it’s one or the other…who should decide that?
 
He’s the lesser of 2 evils in my opinion…the decision is easy… but only you can answer that…
 
I normally avoid political threads like the plague but, will make an exception.
Mr. Biden in one of most recent gaffe can’t even say the word “Creator” it seems that when he had to mention GOD he hit some kind of wall.
I wondered about that. Anyone else saw that?
Peace!
 
JerryZ said:
I normally avoid political threads like the plague but, will make an exception.
Mr. Biden in one of most recent gaffe can’t even say the word “Creator” it seems that when he had to mention GOD he hit some kind of wall.
I wondered about that. Anyone else saw that?
Peace!
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Then I have to wonder how he is able to carry around that rosary, and how he is able to endure going to Mass, as he did at the church in South Carolina where the priest refused him communion (and the bishop backed up the priest in this, God bless him).
 
webmasterpdx said:
In the case of an ectopic pregnancy, the foetus attaches outside the womb, the woman will die if it’s not removed 100% of the time…approx 64000 cases per year in the USA.
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In the case of etpoic pregnancy removing the tube is allowed.
 
webmasterpdx said:
This is what I"m talking about. Dublindeclaration.com is an anti-abortion site that if followed will kill women. In the case of an ectopic pregnancy, the foetus attaches outside the womb, the woman will die if it’s not removed 100% of the time…approx 64000 cases per year in the USA. There are several other cases. As to the churches teachings on the subject…It depends where you read it. However, the idea is that killing of a child is wrong and I agree that our society’s approach to abortion and treating it like a haircut is intrinsically evil. The churches point of view is that at all costs we should try to save both, but if it’s 100% likely that the mother will die if the foetus is not removed and it’s 100% likely that the foetus will also die, I see that the only course of action is to remove said foetus. The church believes that it’s OK to remove a cancerous womb and kill a foetus…I just read that online. Part of the problem is the language used to express their views on abortion is so vague that it’s difficult to figure out what they are saying…they seem to go out of their way to say “Let the mother die” in a politically correct way. Sometimes it’s one or the other…who should decide that?
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Both of these things are correct. A fallopian tube in which an embryo is lodged may be removed, and a cancerous uterus may be removed as well. In either case, the death of the child is an unwanted side effect of performing a licit operation.

Scenarios such as this, may be the source of the old canard “don’t have a baby at a Catholic hospital, they prefer the life of the baby to that of the mother, and they’ll let the mother die to save the baby”. These are just old myths and half-truths concocted by enemies of the Church, to make us sound like heartless ogres who just want to see more babies cranked out, even if it kills the mother and her other children are left without a mother. I heard a lot of this growing up among non-Catholics — in their eyes, Catholics were these churlish, superstitious little people of various vaguely disliked ethnicities, who are fond of drinking to excess, going to confession on Saturday, Mass on Sunday, then doing the same thing over and over, led around by the nose by priests who force them to have more children than they can afford to raise, and oh yes, let’s not forget that they think they are the only people going to heaven. Sadly, the priestly sex abuse scandal gives these people truckloads of grist for their mills.
 
Good points all. I agree, a Catholic hospital will most likely have more compassion and if the mother’s life is in danger, I’m pretty sure they will not ram it down the family’s throat…and leave it up to them to decide. The church child abuse scandal is unfortunate and you are right, people use this to malign mother church…I generally point such people towards this article…well worth the read…Keeping Children Safe in the Catholic Church | Psychology Today
 
webmasterpdx said:
…The churches point of view is that at all costs we should try to save both, but if it’s 100% likely that the mother will die if the foetus is not removed and it’s 100% likely that the foetus will also die, I see that the only course of action is to remove said foetus…
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That is your personal point of view mixed into Church teaching, but not precisely the Church’s point of view.
 
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Don’t think we’ve developed the technology to reach Planet Nonce in whatever dimension the guy lives in. Even if you theoretically could, do we actually know anybody who speaks lizard? Doubt it.
 
webmasterpdx said:
In the case of an ectopic pregnancy, the foetus attaches outside the womb …
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Did you know a leading cause of ectopic pregnancies is thought to be the use of contraceptives? When we leave the reservation we ought not expect good things will happen to or for us.
https://healthywa.wa.gov.au/Articles/A_E/Ectopic-pregnancy
Other risk factors include:
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