Assuming the Bidens have regularized their marriage situation (she is divorced and her first husband appears to be still living), Joe is perfectly within his rights to nibble Jill’s fingertips.
So there :cowboy_hat_face:
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Peeps
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A lot of people carry Rosaries around.
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meltzerboy2
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Could you be more explicit, please? Do you admire Joe Biden or not?
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HarryStotle
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Friends, Americans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Biden, not to admire him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Biden. The noble Sanders
Hath told you Biden was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Biden answer’d it.
Here, under leave of Sanders and the rest–
For Sanders is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men–
Come I to speak in Biden’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Sanders says he was ambitious;
And Sanders is an honourable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Washington
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Biden seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Biden hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Sanders says he was ambitious;
And Sanders is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Super Tuesday (or was that Thursday?)
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Sanders says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Sanders spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Biden,
And I must pause till it come back to me.
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Peeps
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Your analogy of a pastor or bishop is much better than mine of a beauty queen.
Thank you for mentioning VP Biden’s policies. When all is said and done, that is what matters. He is planning on undoing everything that Pres. Trump has done.
NOTHING stops us from helping the poor, giving shelter to refugees (except the laws about illegal entry, and we as Christians should RESPECT and obey the law in so much as it doesn’t contradict a higher law), feeding the hungry, developing strategies for aiding the homeless, the addicted, the criminals, etc. We are free to continue doing that, and it’s a darn lot easier to do that when we have jobs and a good economy and when the President is working hard to try to improve our relationships with other countries and make sure that nations with hostile governments know that we are willing to play hardball with them.
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Randolph
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Trump also has exposed and has taken corrective actions on our “allies”—namely Germany, France, Canada, other NATO countries, etc… who have taken advantage of us for many decades. We are talking in the range of hundreds of billions of dollars—perhaps in the trillions of dollars. They taxed our exports to them at over 200%, while we taxed their exports at less than 30%. No wonder US products have not been sold well in their countries. We have paid many folds more than our fair share in both the UN budget and NATO budget. What have we gotten back in return other than insults and acts of betrayal??
We can recall, during the past two years, our “allies” put up big fights accusing the US of turning our back on them and betraying the sacred trust between us and them. But after being exposed by Trump for their own exploitation, it became clear that it was them who have taking advantage of the US. Suddenly, they became very quiet about it.
As for China, no one would have ever thought that the US could touch them. But Trump just finished Phase 1 of the China deal. Tens of billions of US agricultural products will be sold to China. That’s a lot of jobs and prosperity for the US and its farmers. There is still a long way to go with China regarding intellectual property thefts and trade cheats. Biden’s reaction to China’s threat was: “Come on, Man… China is not…” One could not help but wonder whether China’s giving $1.3 billion to Biden’s son—Hunter—had something to do with it.
Love Trump or hate Trump. Among many other things, he has accomplished a lots for the country during the first three years of his presidency.
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It may not be precise, but it is a pretty good example of the law of double effect which is Church teaching.
LOL. And all Republicans are Nazis? C’mon. This sort of bigotry and exaggeration does no one any good.
Absolutely it is. Indecency is seen on both sides though.
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That’s not necessarily true. My mom grew up in the 50s and she admits that there were many deficiencies in her catechesis and many things she did not learn until much, much later.
It’s not as though catechesis was stellar and then someone flipped a switch and it all went down the tubes overnight. The dearth of catechesis in the 70s did not come from thin air.
So I wouldn’t presume Joe Biden has a great Catholic foundation and grasp of Catholic teaching. Unfortunately, there were Catholic priests and theologians in the 60s and 70s that gave lots of philosophical “cover” by telling these politicians they could be “personally opposed” while at the same time doing exactly the opposite in terms of their public policy decisions.
That line of thought runs very deep. And politicians such as Biden have been living from that philosophical worldview for decades. It would be very difficult for such a person to be disabused of such ideas that they have held to for so many years.
But of course nothing is impossible with God. So we continue to pray.
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Randolph
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Amen…
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Kindnessmatters
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I expect a President to know better than to be so week as that.
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Peeps
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Here in Northern Illinois, I know plenty of farmers, including my brother, who are quite happy with Pres. Trump’s economic accomplishments!
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meltzerboy2
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And as farmers vote, so goes the nation. I am being serious about that, and I think the Dems should have paid more attention to the needs of farmers and other working-class rural people. This is precisely why they will lose in the Midwest and thus lose the election.
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Randolph
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Our hard working farmers have been neglected and treated so badly by both Republican and Democratic parties in the past 30 years or so. Prior to Trump’s presidency, farmers always ended up to be the losers in all international trade deals. I have many friends who are farmers. Many had lost their businesses and farms. They feel Trump has been the only one who has looked after them and protected them in a very long time. They are very appreciative of Trump’s ardent defense of them. Trump has shown concrete actions supporting them—rather than empty, false promises.
You are correct about who they will vote for in 2020.
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I thought he said he was a practicing Catholic? Generally speaking have the rules changed so that practicing Catholics can marry divorced women? I read that he was married by a Roman Catholic priest, so I guess it is OK ?
Apparently Jill got an annulment. That is the only way they could have been married by an RC priest (let’s just say that priest would be in deep trouble with his bishop if he had married them civilly without an annulment — it would be invalid). Jill seems to have been raised Catholic (father was Italian) but joined the Presbyterian church in her youth — that being the case, if she had married her first husband outside the Church, it would have been invalid. Joe, of course, was perfectly free to marry, in that he was a widower.HomeschoolDad:
I thought he said he was a practicing Catholic? Generally speaking have the rules changed so that practicing Catholics can marry divorced women? I read that he was married by a Roman Catholic priest, so I guess it is OK ?
I would say that is precisely what happened. The Kennedys had a priest who “worked with them” and enabled them in drawing a distinction between being “personally opposed” and defending the “rights” of others who do not agree with Catholic teaching. Many politicians seemed to have drawn on the same kind of thinking. This basically became the coin of the realm for Catholic Democratic politicians.
There seems to have been a subtle “wasting effect” from the end of WWII onward. Catholics were around people of all different faiths, forced to interact with them, and there was the advent of television and other mass media to fan the flames. Just to use an anecdote from my family (which was not Catholic at the time), my mother tells me of a military wife whose husband was stationed alongside my father. The couple was Catholic and the wife would complain of how hard the Church’s teaching on birth control was to follow. (This was a decade before Humanae vitae and “the pill” hadn’t been invented yet.) Well, the woman’s first downfall was complaining to non-Catholics about the Church’s teachings. Catholics saw that non-Catholics were good people, they didn’t have horns and pointed tails, and thought “they don’t have to follow all of that, why should we have to?”. In short, Catholics came out of the ghetto. They wanted the easier life that Protestants had. They saw “the good life” and wanted some of that for themselves. I don’t think it’s one bit more complicated than that.
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AlNg
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I didn’t know about that. I did know that Mr. Biden who says he is a practicing Roman Catholic, does officiate at same sex weddings.
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Peeps
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Eugh. But he’s pro-immigrant, right? And he’s going to help all the poor people by restoring all the basic needs programs that Pres. Trump has slashed, right?
And he’s more of a gentleman that Donald Trump, right? And he doesn’t lie like Donald Trump, right? And he promotes abortion rights, right?
So all of this makes him a candidate that Catholics can vote for with a clear conscience. Right?
I will say this–I believe that many of VP Biden’s speech “gaffes” and memory lapses are simply exaggerations–the media catches him at an awkward moment (we all have them), and by the time the gaffes have been shown 50 times in one evening on various media, and a goofy picture printed in print media, we are all convinced that the man is senile. I don’t buy that. And I don’t buy that he’s “creepy” either. Many of his actions towards women used to be acceptable behavior by older men, and now, they’re considered hostile sexual aggression–baloney.
But I still am appalled that Catholics and other Christians would even consider voting for him instead of Pres. Trump. That picture of the same-sex marriage is a testimony against the man and a demonstration that he is willing to set his Church teaching aside.
I do not know whether Jill got an annulment or not. I am just speculating based on common sense — if she didn’t get one, then the Catholic priest who married them has some serious explaining to do. (I know of two cases where a priest attempted to marry a heterosexual couple without an annulment, and it was not simply a “lack of form” paperwork annulment. One was in the news, and the other one, I have personal knowledge of it. In the latter case, the priest retired not a long time after he did it, after someone complained to the diocese.)HomeschoolDad:
I didn’t know about that. I did know that Mr. Biden who says he is a practicing Roman Catholic, does officiate at same sex weddings.
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As far as Joe Biden presiding over a same-sex wedding, and I am not condoning this or agreeing with it in any way, but it is possible that he was able to parse out a distinction between a valid marriage (whether natural or sacramental) and the merely civil effects of marriage, similar to a civil union.
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Trump’s numbers in the mid 40’s for 3+ years is a pretty good picture of his support. Better than an evaluation of just a few polls. Considering his low unemployment numbers and fairly good economy, historically his numbers should be much higher.
Bill Clinton left office in the high 50 s even after impeachment, for example.
Why? I think the answer is simple. It is Trump’s personal issues. And I will leave it at that.
The effect on voters could be seen in 2018. In a good economy, historic losses for the GOP show voter turn out and passion. Trump personally, was the dominant factor.
Biden has always been a scattered speaker. A foot in mouth guy. That is the " most" comforting trait explaining his gaffs ironically.
That said his emergence is no accident and it was voter driven. He has a long time as a public figure and a good reputation as a genuine likeable and decent politician. He was thrust back into relevancy as a healer. To stop the division. Lots of Americans want that.
Bill Clinton left office in the high 50 s even after impeachment, for example.
Why? I think the answer is simple. It is Trump’s personal issues. And I will leave it at that.
The effect on voters could be seen in 2018. In a good economy, historic losses for the GOP show voter turn out and passion. Trump personally, was the dominant factor.
Biden has always been a scattered speaker. A foot in mouth guy. That is the " most" comforting trait explaining his gaffs ironically.
That said his emergence is no accident and it was voter driven. He has a long time as a public figure and a good reputation as a genuine likeable and decent politician. He was thrust back into relevancy as a healer. To stop the division. Lots of Americans want that.
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