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A failing mayor speaking at a fail convention for the re-election of a failing president…makes sense. It’s thematic.
Exactly but hey he’s good at race baiting, ginning up hispanics (you know that Republicans hate all of you!) so he’s a useful idiot. I listen to a radio show hosted by an attorney/law school professor and specialist in endangered species law so I get the up close and personal word on how things are going in LA. Villarigosa is just hoping to get out before the whole thing implodes with a financial catastrophe…this type of editorial seen in the LA Times even.

But one big spending, pandering Leftist speaking for his brother in arms is no surprise. I heard a Mexican American speak about how they won’t get fooled again by Obama “throwing us a few taco chips when he needs our votes.” I hope he’s not alone.

Lisa
 
Reagan was not deified with iconography and Bible quotes towards him as if he was God like Obama has had and Reagan does not have a Gospel of Reagan according to that Obama has
Yeah seems to me the huge statue erected in Reagan’s honor was in POLAND, not the U.S. Yes Reagan is an iconic figure but even his devoted admirers don’t swoon or have tingles up their legs or focus on a weeping Oprah as representative of the slavish adoration of the man. You have to wonder how black Americans are still supporting him given that he has been disasterous for this community. It’s like Stockholm Syndrome in some demographics.

Scary
Lisa
 
I don’t support intrinsic evil.

Voting is not based on a checklist of issues.
In the case of a Catholic who wishes to be faithful, adherence to the Church’s teachings, particularly with respect to the non-negotiables is essential don’t you think?

But I guess your position is inspiring a lot of prayers, mine included.

Lisa

PS Even if you could ignore these issues tell me ANY reason to vote for this man. He is ruining this country. Everything he’s done has turned to rot.
 
When it doesn’t bother you to kill an unborn person in the womb, why would it bother you to scream filth at an 11 year old girl?
The article is writing in a very melodramatic manner- kind of reminds me of those SPCA commercials seeking donations on TV.
 
In the case of a Catholic who wishes to be faithful, adherence to the Church’s teachings, particularly with respect to the non-negotiables is essential don’t you think?

But I guess your position is inspiring a lot of prayers, mine included.

Lisa
zzzzz. . . . . . . (gentle buzzing sound)

See you guys Nov. 7th. 🙂
 
I don’t support intrinsic evil.

Voting is not based on a checklist of issues.
*No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion,"
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Cardinal Burke
 
*No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion,"
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Cardinal Burke
Cardinal Burke ins not the Church.
 
Cardinal Burke ins not the Church.
Neither are you. If you can quote any member of the magestrium or even any Church document that states there are proportionate reasons that would allow a Catholic to vote for Obama please do so. Heres what another member of the magestium had to say about this issue:
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What is a “proportionate” reason when it comes to the abortion issue? It’s the kind of reason we will be able to explain, with a clean heart, to the victims of abortion when we meet them face to face in the next life–which we most certainly will. If we’re confident that these victims will accept our motives as something more than an alibi, then we can proceed.

Read more: blog.beliefnet.com/pontifications/2008/08/while-cardinal-george-the-pres.html#ixzz25S4bwVYp

Archbishop Charles Chaput*
 
Nor are you, but he has a bit more authority and knowledge of Church teaching than you do.
And Obama Catholics will ignore what any of them say if it conflicts with their political views .Lots of people come to CAF and our just shocked to find out what the Church teaches on this issue. Some repent and quit supporting evil. Some are to wedded too their politics to even consider it.
 
Democrats unveil party platform supporting abortion rights, gay marriage

dallasnews.com/news/politics/national-politics/20120904-democrats-unveil-party-platform-supporting-abortion-rights-gay-marriage.ece

Abortion

The President and the Democratic Party believe that women have a right to control their reproductive choices. Democrats support access to affordable family planning services, and President Obama and Democrats will continue to stand up to Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood health centers. The Affordable Care Act ensures that women have access to contraception in their health insurance plans, and the President has respected the principle of religious liberty. Democrats support evidence-based and age-appropriate sex education

The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right. Abortion is an intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor, and her clergy; there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way. We also recognize that health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. We strongly and unequivocally support a woman’s decision to have a child by providing affordable health care and ensuring the availability of and access to programs that help women during pregnancy and after the birth of a child, including caring adoption programs

Marriage

We support the right of all families to have equal respect, responsibilities, and protections under the law. We support marriage equality and support the movement to secure equal treatment under law for same-sex couples. We also support the freedom of churches and religious entities to decide how to administer marriage as a religious sacrament without government interference

We oppose discriminatory federal and state constitutional amendments and other attempts to deny equal protection of the laws to committed same-sex couples who seek the same respect and responsibilities as other married couples. We support the full repeal of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act and the passage of the Respect for Marriage Act

democrats.org/democratic-national-platform#protecting-rights

Republican platform

Abortion

Faithful to the “self-evident” truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide

Republican leadership has led the effort to prohibit the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion and permitted States to extend health care coverage to children before birth. We urge Congress to strengthen the Born Alive Infant Protection Act by enacting appropriate civil and criminal penalties on healthcare providers who fail to provide treatment and care to an infant who survives an abortion, including early induction delivery where the death of the infant is intended. We call for legislation to ban sex-selective abortions – gender discrimination in its most lethal form – and to protect from abortion unborn children who are capable of feeling pain; and we applaud U.S. House Republicans for leading the effort to protect the lives of pain-capable unborn children in the District of Columbia. We call for a ban on the use of body parts from aborted fetuses for research. We support and applaud adult stem cell research to develop lifesaving therapies, and we oppose the killing of embryos for their stem cells. We oppose federal funding of embryonic stem cell research

We also salute the many States that have passed laws for informed consent, mandatory waiting periods prior to an abortion, and health-protective clinic regulation. We seek to protect young girls from exploitation through a parental consent requirement; and we affirm our moral obligation to assist, rather than penalize, women challenged by an unplanned pregnancy. We salute those who provide them with counseling and adoption alternatives and empower them to choose life, and we take comfort in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives

Religious freedom

The first provision of the First Amendment concerns freedom of religion. That guarantee reflected Thomas Jefferson’s Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, which declared that no one should “suffer on account of his religious opinion or belief, but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion….” That assurance has never been more needed than it is today, as liberal elites try to drive religious beliefs – and religious believers – out of the public square. The Founders of the American Republic universally agree that democracy presupposes a moral people and that, in the words of George Washington’s Farewell Address, “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports”

The most offensive instance of this war on religion has been the current Administration’s attempt to compel faith-related institutions, as well as believing individuals, to contravene their deeply held religious, moral, or ethical beliefs regarding health services, traditional marriage, or abortion. This forcible secularization of religious and religiously affiliated organizations, including faith-based hospitals and colleges, has been in tandem with the current Administration’s audacity in declaring which faith-related activities are, or are not, protected by the First Amendment – an unprecedented aggression repudiated by a unanimous Supreme Court in its Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC decision. We pledge to respect the religious beliefs and rights of conscience of all Americans and to safeguard the independence of their institutions from government. We support the public display of the Ten Commandments as a reflection of our history and of our country’s Judeo-Christian heritage, and we affirm the right of students to engage in prayer at public school events in public schools and to have equal access to public schools and other public facilities to accommodate religious freedom in the public square. We assert every citizen’s right to apply religious values to public policy and the right of faith-based organizations to participate fully in public programs without renouncing their beliefs, removing religious symbols, or submitting to government-imposed hiring practices. We oppose government discrimination against businesses due to religious views. We support the First Amendment right of freedom of association of the Boy Scouts of America and other service organizations whose values are under assault and condemn the State blacklisting of religious groups which decline to arrange adoptions by same-sex couples. We condemn the hate campaigns, threats of violence, and vandalism by proponents of same-sex marriage against advocates of traditional marriage and call for a federal investigation into attempts to deny religious believers their civil rights

Marriage

That is why Congressional Republicans took the lead in enacting the Defense of Marriage Act, affirming the right of States and the federal government not to recognize same-sex relationships licensed in other jurisdictions. The current Administration’s open defiance of this constitutional principle – in its handling of immigration cases, in federal personnel benefits, in allowing a same-sex marriage at a military base, and in refusing to defend DOMA in the courts – makes a mockery of the President’s inaugural oath. We commend the United States House of Representatives and State Attorneys General who have defended these laws when they have been attacked in the courts. We reaffirm our support for a Constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. We applaud the citizens of the majority of States which have enshrined in their constitutions the traditional concept of marriage, and we support the campaigns underway in several other States to do so

gop.com/2012-republican-platform_We
 
The real question is…will America be more interested in those two planks of the platform or will they be more interested in these:
The Democratic platform calls for extending the middle-class tax cuts for the 98 percent of American families who make less than $250,000 a year, and makes a promise not to raise taxes on them. The platform claims a typical family has saved $3,600 during Obama’s first term. ‘‘Now he’s fighting to stop middle-class families and those aspiring to join the middle class from seeing their taxes go up and to extend key tax relief for working families and those paying for college, while asking the wealthiest and corporations to pay their fair share,’’ the platform says.
HEALTH CARE
The platform pledges to continue building on the new health care law. It says accessible, affordable, high-quality health care is part of the American promise, that Americans should have the security that comes with good health care, and that no one should go broke because they get sick. “No law is perfect and Democrats stand willing to work with anyone to improve the law where necessary, but we are committed to moving forward,” the platform says.
The GOP platform says that a Republican president on his first day in office would use his waiver authority to halt progress in carrying out the health care act. It calls for a Republican plan based on improving health care quality and lowering costs and a system that promotes the free market and gives consumers more choice.
MEDICARE
Democrats say the new health care law makes Medicare stronger by adding new benefits, fighting fraud and improving care for patients. It notes that nearly 50 million older Americans and those with disabilities rely on Medicare. Over 10 years, the law will save the average Medicare beneficiary $4,200, the platform says. “Democrats adamantly oppose any efforts to privatize or voucherize Medicare,” the platform says.
The GOP platform pledges to move Medicare away from “the current unsustainable defined-benefit entitlement model to a fiscally sound defined-contribution model.” It supports a Medicare transition to a premium-support model with an income-adjusted contribution toward a health plan of the enrollee’s choice.
This community is a small subset of Catholics, and thus an even smaller subset of the country as a whole. You can find statistics that support abortion and gay marriage are the most important issues to a number of Americans and you can find statistics that say the economy and health care are the most important. Which proves only that the old quote about lies and statistics is really true.

The Republicans are doing something they’ve done before, they’re banking on the social issues pushing them over the top and it might work. It’s worked before, but the demographics of the country aren’t the same as they were in the years when gay marriage wasn’t legal anywhere and legal abortion was something that voters hadn’t lived with their entire lives.

In any case, the platforms couldn’t be more different and it’s going to be interesting finding out just what is the majority of the country really feels is most important in 2012.
 
The Democratic platform calls for extending the middle-class tax cuts for the 98 percent of American families who make less than $250,000 a year, and makes a promise not to raise taxes on them. The platform claims a typical family has saved $3,600 during Obama’s first term** [by extending the Bush tax cuts he campaigned against]**‘‘Now he’s fighting to stop middle-class families and those aspiring to join the middle class from seeing their taxes go up and to extend key tax relief **[put in place by Bush]**for working families and those paying for college, while asking the wealthiest and corporations to pay their fair share,’’ the platform says.
There…fixed their platform for them. It’s pretty disenginuous to claim credit for a tax cut you opposed vehemently and called a “tax cut for the rich.” The cut was larger for middle-class families than it was for the “rich,” so I guess the “rich” we’re paying even less than their “fair share” under Clinton. (it’s a math thing, so I’m not sure Obama supporters will get that)

Democrats are about class warfare, not sound fiscal policy. I’m sure they’ll make that evident at the convention.
 
The real question is…will America be more interested in those two planks of the platform or will they be more interested in these:

This community is a small subset of Catholics, and thus an even smaller subset of the country as a whole. You can find statistics that support abortion and gay marriage are the most important issues to a number of Americans and you can find statistics that say the economy and health care are the most important. Which proves only that the old quote about lies and statistics is really true.

The Republicans are doing something they’ve done before, they’re banking on the social issues pushing them over the top and it might work. It’s worked before, but the demographics of the country aren’t the same as they were in the years when gay marriage wasn’t legal anywhere and legal abortion was something that voters hadn’t lived with their entire lives.

In any case, the platforms couldn’t be more different and it’s going to be interesting finding out just what is the majority of the country really feels is most important in 2012.
Pope Benedict says the non negotiable voting principals are protection from conception to natural death, protection and promotion of marriage between 1 man and 1 woman and rights for parents to educate their children. Catholics can have differing opinions on taxes, medicare and health care so that part of the platform is up for debate. Issues of life and marriage the democrat platform and the Catholic Church go in different directions

There are over 300000 people registered on this forum, majority Catholic. This forum is a representation of Catholics in the world
The Democratic platform calls for extending the middle-class tax cuts for the 98 percent of American families who make less than $250,000 a year, and makes a promise not to raise taxes on them. The platform claims a typical family has saved $3,600 during Obama’s first term. ‘‘Now he’s fighting to stop middle-class families and those aspiring to join the middle class from seeing their taxes go up and to extend key tax relief for working families and those paying for college, while asking the wealthiest and corporations to pay their fair share,’’ the platform says
Obama added nearly $5 trillion in debt which has to be paid back by taxpayers. $57000 if you count only people who pay income tax. $13000 each taxpayer has to pay for Obama incurred debt. Average household of 4 will have to pay extra $50000 in tax to pay for Obama’s debt. Obama has proposed spending $10 trillion more in the next 10 years, which could be $100000 added to the tax burden each taxpayer will have to pay

Insurance premiums have gone up already because of ObamaTax when Obama said premiums would decrease by $2500 annually by the end of his first term. Actually, average employer sponsored insurance family premium has gone up $2393
 
The Republicans are doing something they’ve done before, they’re banking on the social issues pushing them over the top and it might work. It’s worked before, but the demographics of the country aren’t the same as they were in the years when gay marriage wasn’t legal anywhere and legal abortion was something that voters hadn’t lived with their entire lives.
Actually, you have that backwards. The Republican convention’s primary focus was on jobs and improving the economy. I expect, based on the line up, the Democrats are going to focus on social issues, especially “women’s” issues.

Obama wants the focus as far away from the economy as he can. That’s why his only “solution” is “tax the rich.” He knows that appeals to people’s envy, and no Democrats will do the math and realize that taxing the rich will still result in a faster growing debt under Obama.
 
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