Did Adam and Eve go to hell?

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Marilena:
Since I know nothing of Fthr. Corapi, please enlighten me? Ty.
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He gives powerful sermons. He has an amazing conversion story. He is unabashedly conservative/orthodox/traditional (whatever you want to call it, he’s 150% faithful to the Church). He’s often on EWTN and his website can be found at the following link:

fathercorapi.com/
 
Thanks! Iam going to check into this. to let you know, I don’t feel my
thread has been hijacked, only wondered about how it got into the thread. Thanks for the link!
 
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Anonymous_1:
Buddy,
do not take offense, but I believe your theology is distorted. For example, in Luke 16, it does not allude to Lazarus being in Hell but in Heaven. You should be careful about what you teach.
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No offense at all taken. It makes sence to me…that Hell being cast into the lake of fire in Rev. Luke 16 referres to “Abraham’s Bossom”. so I guess that is the real question - where is that?

If people could go to Heaven beofe Christ died an attoning death? His purpose would be for not. A few things about Like 16…people on both sides could see each other…would Heaven be a fun place to see your loved ones suffering in Hell? Just question.

Here are some links of similiar discussion:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=101930&highlight=hell

This one is a good one.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=98862&highlight=hell
 
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malachi_a_serva:
…“Abraham’s Bossom”. so I guess that is the real question - where is that?
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It’s basically Limbo…a state of perfect natural happiness, but without the glory of the Beatific Vision. That glory was then later restored to humanity as a result of Chirst’s perfect sacrifice.
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malachi_a_serva:
A few things about Like 16…people on both sides could see each other…would Heaven be a fun place to see your loved ones suffering in Hell? Just question.
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Again, I’m pretty sure that the “rich man” was actually spending time in Purgatory… :rolleyes:
 
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malachi_a_serva:
No offense at all taken. It makes sence to me…that Hell being cast into the lake of fire in Rev. Luke 16 referres to “Abraham’s Bossom”. so I guess that is the real question - where is that?

If people could go to Heaven beofe Christ died an attoning death? His purpose would be for not. A few things about Like 16…people on both sides could see each other…would Heaven be a fun place to see your loved ones suffering in Hell? Just question.

Here are some links of similiar discussion:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=101930&highlight=hell

Still looking for a better one.
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Premise: God is the source of everything that is good and perfect.
Premise: Hell is eternal seperation from God.
Conclusion: There is nothing good in hell.

“My child remember that you recieved what was good during your lifetime while Lazarus recieved what was bad; but now he is comforted here, whereas you are tormented.”

Well, first it is a parable so you need to look at it in the context of what the author is trying to illustrate. So the question is what is Jesus trying to say here? Is He trying to teach the theology of Hell or is He trying to illustrate another point?

I try to make my point simply, but there are some serious flaws in your theology that I think you should look at.
 
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Balance:
But they are equipped to live lives of holiness! And so many do, putting to shame, as I said, the majority of Catholics who don’t live such lives as they could, despite all the gifts God bestows through the Church.

I don’t really understand your last point - i chose Balance just because I do see both sides to every story. One side of this story is that** Protestants are inferior Christians ** - am I not seeing the oither side?
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Boy, would my born-again Christian sister ever roll her eyes if anyone ever said that to her! :rolleyes: I think I know what you mean, but there must be a better way to phrase it.
 
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Marilena:
My sister and I had a very interesting discussion about Adam and Eve yesterday. She told me she never thought Adam and Eve went
to hell. I told her I thought they did. Why? Because Adam disobeyed
God, and betrayed Him. Adam blamed God, and he knew better.
Eve was thoroughly deceived by Satan, but she took the apple.
I thought that since they disobeyed God, that they did indeed burn in hell for their actions. Am I wrong? Iam definitely not the judge as to whether Adam or Eve went to hell, but I think they did go to hell.
What they did was a serious violation, and did that action that they
took warrant them going to hell?
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Adam and Eve lived a life of penance (imposed by God) outside the Garden of Eden. They must have had plenty of time to repent (Adam lived for 930 years!) That’s a lot of penance.

When Cain was conceived, Adam acknowledeged Cain as a gift from God. Cain and Abel both offered sacrifices to God, so they must have been taught about God from their parents.

We also disobey God and betray him, yet that does not automatically condemn us to hell. As long as we truly repent and avail ourselves of the Sacraments, we can still be awarded the gift of heaven. Some of the saints were great sinners. Look at St Mary Magdalene.
 
Eve did go to heaven after she had paid for her sin when she suffered pain by giving birth to her child…This was the punishment that God gave her for eating the fruit of life…As for Adam I’m not sure by I beleived he went to hell…
 
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MercedesBents:
After a LONG stint in purgatory 😃
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they had a longer stay than anyone anyways since they had to wait the longest for Jesus to come.
 
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RobNY:
…67 Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.” 70 Jesus answered them, "Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?" 71 He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve…
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This should not be taken as proof that the Church definitely teaches that Judas is in Hell. Jesus also called Peter “Satan” in Matthew 16:23, etc.
 
If I am not mistaken, the East definitely considers them as Saints, and I believe we do too.
 
Can you imagine being in Gods grace,knowing him personally,talking with him in the garden of eden.Not knowing sin,sickness or death and then having these things put upon you and all your offspring.This in itself is a huge punishment,one that is with all of us today.Are they in hell?We can only speculate.God Bless.

Frank
 
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kuroro:
Eve did go to heaven after she had paid for her sin when she suffered pain by giving birth to her child…This was the punishment that God gave her for eating the fruit of life…As for Adam I’m not sure by I beleived he went to hell…
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Adam was punished by living a life of work. That was his penance.
 
JB.:
This should not be taken as proof that the Church definitely teaches that Judas is in Hell. Jesus also called Peter “Satan” in Matthew 16:23, etc.
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But it was for totally different reasons. He called Peter that because he was tempting Our Lord not to sacrifice Himself…something that any friend would do (especially considering how thickheaded the Apostles were). Jesus rebuked Him like that because He knew it was opposed to the will of the Father. Judas is a “satan” because He rejected Christ outright. It’s a completely different situation.
 
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JSmitty2005:
But it was for totally different reasons…
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Of course it was, but it still serves as a good illustration that Jesus words can’t always be interpreted in a literalist fashion, as the Church herself does not do by not teaching that Judas is definitely in Hell.
 
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masterjedi747:
Before Christ came and died on the cross, people went to either Hell (if they really deserved it) or Purgatory/Limbo (if they didn’t deserve Hell, but couldn’t enter Heaven).
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Are you saying purgartory and limbo are one in the same?
 
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masterjedi747:
It’s basically Limbo…a state of perfect natural happiness, but without the glory of the Beatific Vision. That glory was then later restored to humanity as a result of Chirst’s perfect sacrifice.
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The church no longer teaches/believes in Limbo, so it can’t be the answer.
 
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