Do Catholics still support Trump

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Obama was no Saint either, but his supporters wouldn’t dare apply the same rigorous criticism to his life and Presidency as they apply to Trump.

Double standards like those are pure hypocrisy.
 
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How about drawing some parallels for us?
What in Obama’s moral life would you compare to our stable genius?
 
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I don’t think you are telling the truth… or you would be watching and listening beyond the headlines… MHO
 
I can imagine an entertainer from a reality TV saying this, yet most people mistake his entertainment as deadpan seriousness. He knows his audience and they know that they find humor in what he says. He isn’t always serious, yet to some people he is always serious and they just seem to miss that, and miss the context of his life as an entertainer.

Look at what is on most of the TV, if you took the same standards for judging Trump and applied them to reality TV, you would find Trump is relatively better in many areas.
I agree, but he is not in an entertainment show anymore. This is not comedy, or “reality TV”,
You prove my point, it is not official White House anything, it is his personal social media account, by which he communicates his personal opinions.
this is international relations. If he wants to crack jokes like that with his inner circle and they can all have a laugh, that is one thing, but making international statements like this is irresponsible. I don’t think Kim Jong Un can appreciate his sense of humor, so he interprets it as provocative.

I don’t think he is trying to be humorous. I thinkk he is perfectly serious.
You prove my point, it is not official White House anything, it is his personal social media account, by which he communicates his personal opinions.
The stakes have changed After he got elected, his personal opinions and so called “humor” convey messages at a completely different level. He seems to have no sense of this at all.
Official White House statements are also different than @RealDonaldTrump tweets. I don’t see how you can confuse the two, they are two different things.
You don’t think North Korea might have trouble confusing the two? If the positions were switeched, and Kim Jong Un had both an offical and a personal twitter account, do you think it would matter which one he used for saber rattling?
No, he isn’t fair game for libel, detraction, calumny.
You have yet to show that any of the examples given here about Trumps inapprpriate behaviors and attitudes are untrue. You may not like them, but that does not make them libelous, detractory, or calumny.
 
I agree, but he is not in an entertainment show anymore. This is not comedy, or “reality TV”,
Not technically but the coverage of it on the TV, as “news” nearly is.
this is international relations. If he wants to crack jokes like that with his inner circle and they can all have a laugh, that is one thing, but making international statements like this is irresponsible. I don’t think Kim Jong Un can appreciate his sense of humor, so he interprets it as provocative.

I don’t think he is trying to be humorous. I thinkk he is perfectly serious.

timothyvail:
Speculation, but may be true.
You don’t think North Korea might have trouble confusing the two? If the positions were switeched, and Kim Jong Un had both an offical and a personal twitter account, do you think it would matter which one he used for saber rattling?
First of all he doesn’t speak English and everything is translated into 북한어 for him in a very biased fashion, so he always takes it the wrong way.
The stakes have changed After he got elected, his personal opinions and so called “humor” convey messages at a completely different level. He seems to have no sense of this at all.
I’m not defending anything bad he says, but merely pointing out that his reality TV background is appearant.
You have yet to show that any of the examples given here about Trumps inapprpriate behaviors and attitudes are untrue. You may not like them, but that does not make them libelous, detractory, or calumny.
Do you need me to point out which comments fit any of those three? I was saying this generally is the exception and limits when it comes to civil and charitable discussion.

If you think it is in the scope of charity to commit such sins when talking about anyone, even public figures of all kinds, then I’ll refer you to the Catechism.
 
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Is it racist to say that the judge is hispanic, so he must be pro-illegal immigration?

Is it racist to say that that white guy grew up in Georgia so he must be a stupid redneck cracker?

Is it racist to say he’s black so he must be a convicted felon?
Apples and oranges.

And note the second one doesn’t apply in the far-left moral code the white male is automatically privileged…even though they’ll laugh at West Virginia for being poor.
 
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You have yet to show that any of the examples given here about Trumps inapprpriate behaviors and attitudes are untrue. You may not like them, but that does not make them libelous, detractory, or calumny.
Consider this. Given that pretty much most of what is known about Trump is true (oddly put, but that is the US today), even then the question remains what we should do. Like you, I get sick and tired of people excusing and defending him, but I also weary of the constant battering him for his short-comings. What good does it do? Ranting doesn’t hurt him and may poison the one ranting.

I will not support him for re-election and hope he is too fed up to run. I have no problem opposing most of his policies. But we still need to support him as president, just like we did President Obama. When we read in the New Testament about our obligation to authorities, and realize that the authorities then were often very wicked, Trump should be easy to support, at least as long as he is in office.
 
So when you claim that Trump says that being, like really smart is an official White House statement, then you really have no more argument
Trump seems to have a frontal lobe issue that results in disinhibited behavior. The little voice in his head that says “you shouldn’t say that!” is either not functioning, or he can’t hear it.

Anyway, it was not Trump that asserted his Tweets were official statements, it was his press Sec. , the DOJ, and the court.
I do have an argument that it is unofficial and entertainment.
I suppose, for those who have no regard for the consequences of his expressions, it could be classified as entertainment. As far as whether his expressions are “official” or not, if you think anything and everything he has said can’t become part of legal discovery in an official proceeding, you are fooling yourself. Everything he Tweets is on the “record”.
When they all become official statements, even when the tone, context, and subject have nothing to do with official matters and all about his personal opinion,
I fear something is wrong with your reasoning. A legal position has already been established that they are considered official statements. Unfortunately, the tome, context, and subject are irrelevant in the face of this reality. If he or you thinks he is just being funny, it ewill not matter.

As the President of the United States, his personal opinion becomes conflated with his office. The safest way for him to distinguish the two is to keep his personal opinions to himself. He could not have learned this, having no experience in politics, but a vast number of persons, both supporters and not, have advised him that this is a dangerous practice. He is too narcississtic to relinquish his Twitter account.
When they all become official statements, even when the tone, context, and subject have nothing to do with official matters and all about his personal opinion, then you clearly have proven my point.
I think you are very confused, Timothy Vail. We are telling you that they are currently being considered "offical statements’. Your point seems to be that they are not, in contradiction to what the White House and the attorneys have stated. How does this “clearly prove” your point?
Official or not, most of them are inappropriate and childish.
This is a sad fact. I suspect there are a great many members of the GOP, and perhaps even the close staff that would like to confiscate his cell phone.
 
That is a misleading picture, I wouldn’t circulate something that has been proven to be a false characterization, he does gesture to all people when he is roasting them
What you are saying is that Trump’s practice of making fun of and mocking others is a pattern, and that he used the same pattern when mocking this reporter.

A comedy “roast” is an event in which one particular guest is joked about and made fun of by his or her peers, usually in front of an audience.


“roasting” is done in the presence of the target, contrary to Trump’s mocking method. A roast usually ends with the guest of honor ( roastee) getting the opportunity for a rebuttal against all of the insults hurled at him or her in the course of the evening.

Your characterization of this mocking behavior as something in which the victims participate is inaccurate. He is abusive, bullying, and derogatory. There is nothing “funny” in this unless those entertained by it share that mentality.
I have no clue what you are talking about when you say I proved your point.
If it is any consolation, I dont’ think he does either!
I don’t condone anything bad Trump does
On the contrary, you have minimized aggregious behaviors and made excuses for insulting and derogatory actions and expressions.

You have denied the legal findings that his appalling Tweets are official statements. You are trying to say that these expressions are “personal opinion”, which, in itself, seems to suggest your attitudes are consistent with his.
There is no practical alternative to Trump, at least not for another 3-7 years. We must pray for him and make due with the flawed sinner he is, like we all are.
I agree 100%
Those who think themselves better than him need to check their pride at the door.
No one here has claimed to be “better”. What we have claimed is that his behavior and attitudes are not presidential. The standard here is not our own personal failings, but what kind of conduct applies to the office.
 
Luke, I’m being loving here. Our POTUS donated Personal money to NC(where I live) after a bad storm. Fla. Was hit, also. He donated a million to both of us. Before 4 Hurricanes. How is that a con man?? Our country has been hit hard w disasters. Texas, Fla. each got another million. Puerto Rico and USVI, got a million for both. He sent in Army and Navy and Mercy ship. Now, that didn’t fix everything. The PR govt took our money and kept it and did not build up their country. It will take a long time to repair. Some of their ppl have to work to fix it.
He is not taking salaries. His first, went to our national parks. His second was given to education.

THINK!! RUSSIA—BHO new of Russia’s trying to change vote. He told Putin to stop! BHO states Russia could not change election votes. BHO said that!
Comey, On TV, stated, NO RUSSIAN COLLUSION!! They asked him,” Did the media get anything right?” He laughed and said,”NO!”
Do you think Comey liked it w Lynch saying, “ Change investigation to matter.”Do you think, he liked the Tarmac meeting going unchallenged! NOPE! He saw Stroh and others not be professional and protect HRC, who was guilty of crimes. He was encourage to change wording from negligent to reckless. It was illegal for a private server. It was illegal to hide 33,000 emails and say they were lost (later found).It was illegal, after receiving subpoena, to bleach bit her computer and destroy blackberries. Those were crimes. They need resolution.
Now, think! Why would he want a special counsel if there was no Collusion? Because, the FBI was out of order. Mueller found collusion!! Between DNC and Ukraine. He found the dossier was a fabricated story paid for by DNC. Manafort & partner’s Crimes were before 2016. Before Trump.

POTUS loves USA. If we weren’t in debt and a laughing stock of the world, he’d have stayed in his gold tower.
Now, the MidEast is a tad angry at us after the Jerusalem to be capital of Israel announcement. I think he could have waited another year. Israel loves us. BHO was pro Palestine and Islam. Saudi got the 52 leaders of Arab worlds to meet w Trump. 52 leaders! Never done. The UN vote against NOKO for sanctions was 100%. Never before had Russia and China voted w USA. NEVER!
This alone is a reason to put up w a Pres. whom you don’t like.
There are more jobs for all.Minority unemployment is down to 6.5%. Lowest in 45 yrs.! GDP is up Other countries were benefitting from our companies going to them to reduce their overhead and have more profit w lower taxes and salaries.
He toured S. E. Asia & Islands w good trade deals. China is helping w NOKO sending representatives.
His NOKO fight is different. Other Pres. Pacified Him. Gave them money used on rockets. All appeasement not working. NOKO firing missiles before Trump opened mouth. He thinks he has a big stick. Yes, ours is better. WE ARE NOT USING IT! BUT, the next missle that he fires, will be shot out of sky. We will not use nukes.Our military was down on supplies w cost cutting under BHO.
He asked brilliant men to serve on cabinet and military told to win war…ISIS is decimated but still a problem
In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
 
Jan, that’s unkind. For one thing the ppl of most countries are wonderful. We’re all God’s children.
USSR was an atheistic, communist regime. After Perastraka snd Gorbachov and Reagen, it is a kind of Democracy. The churches were opened and faith practiced. Putin wears a cross. He goes to church. He thinks he’s hot stuff as a man. His photo shoots! And he has a Hx. W KGB. Not to cool. He lives his ppl. The govt has needs. 1–is a port on water. So, they’re in Crimea. Ukraine is rich in agriculture. I think may have missle silos in it.,Hence, East Ukraine battles. He hadn’t listened to me. I’ve tweeted him often. Really! He just doesn’t know how smart I am. JOKE. I do tweet. I tweet the Russian Orthodox Church and ask for thembto communicate we him and prayers.
Ppl will never make war. It’s the govts.
In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
 
Wow way to prove my point even further. How is I’m like smart, and I’m a genius going to be used in either a court or an official capacity, or reflect the official stance of the white house.

You admitted that Trump does not consider his tweets official, but rather two other individuals who often do not agree with Trump, even on official matters and do not reflect his other stances.

Your point is it is official because the court can use what he said. A court can use any persons recorded statements or twitter account and so they are official.

Which policy or official position of the white house is reflected by his many informal, casual and opinion like tweets about personal relationships with other individual citizens or about himself?
 
Please offer any claims with verified citations.

The sources such as Fox News, Breitbart & Lifesite?

I would rate them: F

Why?

Weak journalism standard & lack of critical thinking materials to educate their viewers or readers.

Please come back to us with verifiable claims & do not use any incoherent talking points.

Please read the dictionary on “Opinion” & “Fact”

One last thing… you can offer us MAGA hat as a token to prove your loyalty to Mr. Trump.

On second thought… too expensive for my taste 🤑
 
What you are saying is that Trump’s practice of making fun of and mocking others is a pattern, and that he used the same pattern when mocking this reporter.

A comedy “roast” is an event in which one particular guest is joked about and made fun of by his or her peers, usually in front of an audience.
Actually no, that’s not what I am saying. What I am saying is he often makes the same gesture when making fun of people, so it is not targeted nor imitating disability. Did you even watch the video? He is not making fun of disabled people generally or anything of the sort, it was his eccentric way of making fun of people. Whether that was tasteful or charitable is another issue, I was mainly saying it is proved false that he just makes fun of disabled people, like the commercials at election time put forward by the DNC.
A comedy “roast” is an event in which one particular guest is joked about and made fun of by his or her peers, usually in front of an audience.
You’re right, it wasn’t a roast in this particular video, but he has roasted people using the gesture, I’m sorry. Seriously though do you have to go into such detail about the wording?
Your characterization of this mocking behavior as something in which the victims participate is inaccurate. He is abusive, bullying, and derogatory. There is nothing “funny” in this unless those entertained by it share that mentality.
This is completely false, I never made such a claim. Have some Christian charity and give me the benefit of the doubt instead accusing me of having an evil mentality.
If it is any consolation, I dont’ think he does either!
Great, just think the worst of me. If the both of you even read my comments from the beginning you would know what I’m talking about. Can’t read it all? Fine, suit yourself.
No one here has claimed to be “better”. What we have claimed is that his behavior and attitudes are not presidential. The standard here is not our own personal failings, but what kind of conduct applies to the office.
Where is this official and seemingly concrete standard written and codified by which Presidents must act, so that we may measure him fairly? Could you provide a link or a source to this “standard” of office? Just so that we may not pass off whichever whims we may have as this objective standard.
 
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Please read the dictionary on “Opinion” & “Fact”
To whom are you talking to? Anyhow

Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof

Fact: Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.

Source:The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition
 
Please come back to us with verifiable claims
“They are not policy,” Sebastian Gorka, a senior White House national security official, told CNN’s Chris Cuomo about Trump’s tweets. “It’s not policy. It’s social media, Chris. It’s social media. You know the difference, right?”
 
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