Do Catholics still support Trump

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Sebastian Gorka had been fired.
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Trump’s tweets are a window to his temperament.

Look up ALL the different tell all books about the various presidents. I remember a particularly scathing one about Nancy Reagan.

Did any of the presidents take to the media?

You think it’s satire. Great.

You aren’t convincing me. :woman_shrugging:t2:
 
Please come back to us with verifiable claims
The DOJ admits they are not official tweets, directly contradicting their prior statements.

A quote from the gaurdian newspaper:
the DoJ argued on Monday that: “The government is treating the statements upon which plaintiffs rely as official statements of the President of the United States.”

Which is clear. But then in a separate lawsuit brought by the Knight First Amendment Institute on behalf of Twitter users that have been blocked by the @realDonaldTrump account, the DoJ has argued the exact opposite.
 
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Trump’s tweets are a window to his temperament.
As are all comments from the commentators on this forum.
Did any of the presidents take to the media?

You think it’s satire. Great.

You aren’t convincing me. :woman_shrugging:t2:
Some things are undeniably satire, not all.

Placing all his tweets into one category lacks literary discernment in the broadest sense. It isn’t as simple a thing as all official.
 
What I am saying is he often makes the same gesture when making fun of people, so it is not targeted nor imitating disability.
It is concerning that you admit the President of the United States is making disparaging gestures and making fun of people, yet you do not seem to be concerned about this behavior.

To say he is not specifically targeting this disabled person is an outright denial of the facts.


Perhaps he does use the same gesture to mock others as well? How is this behavior at all defensible?
I was mainly saying it is proved false that he just makes fun of disabled people, like the commercials at election time put forward by the DNC.
I think it is very likely, given his track record of bullying, that he has made fun of people for disability, race, and his perception of their lack of intelligence throughout his life. But you are right, I am not aware of any other instance of him mocking a disabled person caught on video.

He probably also needs a trigger to make fun of people. In this case, he was angry about what the reporter wrote about him, so he attacked his disability. This is a form of ad hominem response. It is a primitive and ineffective defense used by those who don’t know any better way to respond to allegations.
You’re right, it wasn’t a roast in this particular video, but he has roasted people using the gesture, I’m sorry. Seriously though do you have to go into such detail about the wording?
It did not seem to me that you understood the difference between a “roast” and “mocking”. I apologize if I overshot.
This is completely false, I never made such a claim. Have some Christian charity and give me the benefit of the doubt instead accusing me of having an evil mentality.
You seemed to defend Trump’s mocking behavior by putting it in the context of a “roast”. Mocking is a form of hostility toward others. I am glad that you are not defending this behavior, but your response here would seem to indicate that you agree that such behavior does reflect an evil mentality.
Can’t read it all?
I admit that I have been really lost by not finding anything to replace my beloved “view first unread post” button on the top of the thread. If you or anyone else can direct me how to find that, it would help a lot. I know I am missing chunks of the conversation, but the only way I have found to go back to them is the little arrow in the reply.
 
It is concerning that you admit the President of the United States is making disparaging gestures and making fun of people, yet you do not seem to be concerned about this behavior.

To say he is not specifically targeting this disabled person is an outright denial of the facts.
The fact is he has a habit of doing that gesture, before the reporter was mocked. Those people he mocked with the exact same gesture didn’t have disability. The fact that the reporter had a disability that resembled Trump’s gesture is pure coincidence.

Yes, mocking is bad and no I’m not for mocking people. I am against self-righteous scape goating, which seems to be what many people do to Trump and those recognizing his positive points.
This is a form of ad hominem response. It is a primitive and ineffective defense used by those who don’t know any better way to respond to allegations.
Walk the walk, don’t just talk the talk, your attacks on me defending mocking and agreeing with evil behavior don’t undermine my arguments about Trump.
I admit that I have been really lost by not finding anything to replace my beloved “view first unread post” button on the top of the thread. If you or anyone else can direct me how to find that, it would help a lot. I know I am missing chunks of the conversation, but the only way I have found to go back to them is the little arrow in the reply.
Simple solution, read the whole post. No way around it, you may actually learn something while you are at it.
 
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I am done being charitable.
Catholics are never done being charitable, talk about selling your soul, the devil loves it when you stop being charitable.
When Trump won the primary, I was disappointed that the GOP base would favor him over a good man and solid Republican like Kasich. Strike #1 for selling their souls to Satan.

Watching Trump rallies & the GOP convention was like watching the rise of some tin pot dictator, except this was happening in the U.S. My mom, who was a kid in Italy prior to WWII, said “that man is like Mussolini”. She should know, my Grandfather was a hardcore fascist before the war. Strike #2

When Trump got elected, I was willing to give him a chance. I hoped he would start with an infrastructure bill. Instead, the last year has been nothing but chaos, incompetence, power grabs, and the absolute FAILURE of the GOP to properly investigate what Russia did to help Trump in the last election. Strike #3.

In Alabama, the GOP supported a man who was credibility accused of seeking romantic relationships with teenage girls when he was a prosecutor in his 30s & may have even sexually assaulted some. So now we have the spectacle of a man who says he likes to “grab women by the pussy” sitting in the White House campaigning for a pedophile, and all Christian conservatives want to do is ABUSE sacred scripture to justify this immoral behavior. Strike #4

Presently, the GOP is trying to undermine the credibility of the Mueller investigation & FBI. Strike #5

Yes, I am DONE being charitable towards a political party & administration that is greedy, ruthless and immoral. And don’t bother with the tu quoque defense. This isn’t about what the Democrats do. They are not the ones in power at the present time.
 
Luke, as Christ and His Church will undoubtedly say to you in so many words, there is no excuse on earth, no perceived injustice or evil that permits you to be uncharitable, period. Don’t fool yourself and end up hurting your relationship with God.
 
Our POTUS donated Personal money to NC(where I live) after a bad storm. Fla. Was hit, also. He donated a million to both of us. Before 4 Hurricanes. How is that a con man??
One of the ways to be a successful con man is to appear generous,and deflect what you are taking by giving with the other hand. How does it cost him anything to give away that he has fraudulantly taken from others?
The PR govt took our money and kept it and did not build up their country.
You seem to be suffering from the same misapprehension Trump has that Puerto Rico is not part of the United States.
POTUS loves USA.
Perhaps, but only because living here has benefitted himself. He has been able to attain and maintain the lifestyle he prefers. As far as the principles upon which our country is founded, I am not sure he has ever studied them.

 
Wow way to prove my point even further. How is I’m like smart, and I’m a genius going to be used in either a court or an official capacity, or reflect the official stance of the white house.
It would seem much more difficult to make a case for culpable deniability once a person has bragged that they know it all.

But embarassing himself with such tweets are the least of our worries.
Your point is it is official because the court can use what he said. A court can use any persons recorded statements or twitter account and so they are official.
I think you may not be well acquainted with the rules of evidence. Using a persons’ social media expressions in no way makes the expressions “official”. These expressions of Trump are different because of his official office as president. It is one thing for him to blast stuff as a private citizen, but he seems to have made no shift in his attitude since taking office. He blasts out his personal opinions and musings, now considered official white house policies, in a disinhibited manner.
Which policy or official position of the white house is reflected by his many informal, casual and opinion like tweets about personal relationships with other individual citizens or about himself?
How about “my button is bigger than your button”? This was clearly aimed at Kim Jong Un. Trump would not have a button if he were not POTUS, so he is speaking in his official capacity as
President.
You know the difference, right?”
Some of us do, but I fear Trump does not. But even if he does, when you occupy an office such as President, it changes what you are able to put into social media. I have been a civil servant most of my career, and have seen dozens of employees lose their jobs over what they posted in social media that had nothing to do with their role at work or their job duties. They can be fired for making racist comments, or any other “opinions” that their employer does not find complimentary to their department or agency. They can be fired for complaining about their job or work environment. If you think a person employed in government has the same freedoms in social media as non-govt. persons you are mistaken!
 
Placing all his tweets into one category lacks literary discernment in the broadest sense. It isn’t as simple a thing as all official.
Oh I agree! i don’t see most of his Tweets, but great many of them seem to reflect the mentality of a pre-adolescent person with impaired relational skills. Clearly these types of Tweets are not intended to represent official policy. What is concerning, in addition to how rapidly he reverses himself, is that he does not seem to know the difference.

Beyond that, the fact that they are all taken as being from a person who is in an official position complicates matters.
 
Regarding abusing Sacred Scripture to justify their unchristian political positions…spot on. I’ve seen the “well King David was just as bad and God blessed him” rebuttal one too many times on this forum…it’s beyond sick. How dare they compare this amoral individual to a saint.
 
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I think you may not be well acquainted with the rules of evidence.
So his office makes his every word official? Are you sure you want to argue this? You may not be acquainted with what can be taken as official and what not, especially considering the DOJ statement against such supposed “official” tweets, countering their initial claim.
How about “my button is bigger than your button”? This was clearly aimed at Kim Jong Un. Trump would not have a button if he were not POTUS, so he is speaking in his official capacity as

President.
Metaphorically speaking, as it is, I think it isn’t too inaccurate, though not the best way to come across. We have a much larger stockpile and working nuclear arsenal, so the reality he was pointing to by his rather juvenile and ridiculous statement is there.
They can be fired for making racist comments, or any other “opinions” that their employer does not find complimentary to their department or agency. They can be fired for complaining about their job or work environment. If you think a person employed in government has the same freedoms in social media as non-govt. persons you are mistaken!
The President doesn’t have an employer, he does have voters though, and vote against him if your conscience leads. Otherwise, nothing he said is illegal on the twitter accounts, just in bad taste or inappropriate. If there were something against the twitter policy, it could just be taken down.

By the way, who did you vote for in the last election?
 
Regarding abusing Sacred Scripture to justify their unchristian political positions…spot on. I’ve seen the “well King David was just as bad and God blessed him” rebuttal one too many times on this forum…it’s beyond sick. How dare they compare this unhinged amoral individual to a saint. It’s beyond the pale. It’s just utterly disgusting.
Your outrage is noted, but actually King David was worse in certain respects, because he used his political power to kill his general and sleep with his wife. Trump didn’t kill anyone and sleep with anyone of his staff’s wives in office.

Trump is a sinner in other respects, but we are to pray for him and hope he gets better. Those who wish he fails or gets worse are simply not following the way, which is Christ.
 
but actually King David was worse in certain respects
David may have committed a more serious act, but expressed deep remorse and begged for forgiveness. Trump has specifically spoken against asking for God’s forgiveness. What is the greatest sin here?
 
So his office makes his every word official? Are you sure you want to argue this?
I think it would be better stated i the opposite. His office makes every “social” expression easy to mistake for official.

If I were going to argue anything, I would argue that, for the sake of national security, someone should put his cell phone in a time out!
You may not be acquainted with what can be taken as official and what not,
Well, respectully, I am not the one with whom there should be any concern. It is the people with an axe to grind against the US, and can see that we have a childish and unstable President authoring the Tweets.

Do you think that the North Korean with his finger on his little button cares?
though not the best way to come across.
And this is the bottom line, really. Now that he has gone from private to public citizen, it would behoove him (and beneifit the rest of the population on the planet) if he were to find a way to come across more productively.
The President doesn’t have an employer… Otherwise, nothing he said is illegal on the twitter accounts, just in bad taste or inappropriate.
I am sure that many people close to him have tried to get him to tone down the Tweets. If I, as a small town citizen, think his expressions make the US look bad, imagine how the veterans in Congress feel? I can’t imagine life long members of the GOP can be very proud of their current party leader!
Trump is a sinner in other respects, but we are to pray for him and hope he gets better. Those who wish he fails or gets worse are simply not following the way, which is Christ.
Let us pray, and fast, and suffer the punishmetn imposed upon our nation by a God who abhors abortion.
 
David may have committed a more serious act, but expressed deep remorse and begged for forgiveness. Trump has specifically spoken against asking for God’s forgiveness. What is the greatest sin here?
Which sin do you suggest Trump repent of?
 
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