Do Catholics still support Trump

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I don’t find anything in that article that is vile. You called Trump vile and questioned his fitness for office. So, can you be specific? The links I followed in that article do not link to any specific Trump tweet, only to the beginning of his feed, and I’d have to search through from weeks ago to find what they’re even talking about. I suspect they don’t provide the links prominently because their charge is baseless as well.

If you don’t have a link, can you describe one of the tweets which you felt was so vile? I can then do research to find the link for you. I’d like to know specifically what you’re objecting to and what you base your severe statements against the president on.
 
Is this true: “We have nuclear arsenals which are in very terrible shape. They don’t even know if they work.”

Donald Trump
 
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Even Jimmy Carter, who is completely on the other side of the fence, said words to the effect recently he doesn’t know of another president who has been under such pressure from the media.
 
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You speak in generalities and conclude with harshness. Be specific or your charges are baseless.
 
OKi said:
I agree Trump would never resign - he’d never have cause to. No president’s ever been under more scrutiny.
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Warren Harding.

Richard Nixon.

Bill Clinton.

Ulysses Grant.

Andrew Johnson.

What is it with Trump and his supports? Everything has to be the biggest or best.
 
It is indeed unprecedented. Even Jimmy Carter has said so. I think your judgment is clouded. You’re prejudiced.
 
jfz178 said:
Even Jimmy Carter, who is completely on the other side of the fence, said words to the effect recently he doesn’t know of another president who has been under such pressure from the media.
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Is there another President who has worked half as hard to generate controversy?

Why work so hard to get people stirred up and then complain about how stirred up they are? He talks out of both sides of his mouth, and frankly, I think his supporters do, too. They like having someone who says outrageous things, then act hurt when people respond by being outraged. It doesn’t even make sense.
 
OKi said:
It is indeed unprecedented. Even Jimmy Carter has said so. I think your judgment is clouded. You’re prejudiced.
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When he says things, I look up what he says. He says things with no basis in truth with distressing regularity. I try to recognize the good things he does without sugar-coating that he also says and does things that are unacceptable. I don’t know how being willing to see his past behavior has certain patterns that will logically continue in the future makes me prejudiced. Yes, he could change, but the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
 
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I’m glad you were never uncharitable to his supporters, it seemed you were and I’m sorry. Many are and think that because they disagree with his tweets they are not accountable to God for the careless words they speak about him. God will judge him fairly and justly for all his words, and God will judge you for yours.

It could be Hitler or Satan we are talking about and the rules of charity still apply to us.

You said you don’t understand how I can support him, rather than tolerate him. I say that just in the way Jesus loves me and supports me, even though I have sinned, I must imitate Christ and support those who have the greatest chance of effecting Christ’s will in the political arena.

There are no alternatives, Hillary and the rest were not viable. Trump is our President and we have to make the best of it, not undermine him by saying his is completely unsupportable.

I wonder what you thought of Obama, did you support him Deacon?
 
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jfz178 said:
Even Jimmy Carter, who is completely on the other side of the fence, said words to the effect recently he doesn’t know of another president who has been under such pressure from the media.
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Is the pressure good? Is it self-inflicted? Is it deserved?

He is totally unqualified to be President and has actually practiced flat-out nepotism in appointing his daughter and son in law to senior advisor positions. They, too, are totally unqualified.

Do you think if Hillary, or Jeb, or Rubio had won the election they would have told their staffs, “Hey, get that Kushner kid and his wife as senior advisors. They are the smartest political operatives in the nation”. 🤣
 
PaulinVA said:
has actually practiced flat-out nepotism
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Every president has practiced flat-out nepotism. If I was president, I’d prefer people I can trust. That would include some family members, or very close friends I have.
 
PaulinVA said:
Do you think if Hillary, or Jeb, or Rubio had won the election they would have told their staffs, “Hey, get that Kushner kid and his wife as senior advisors. They are the smartest political operatives in the nation
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They didn’t win, Trump did, speculation is a waste of time, let’s do with what we got. It isn’t practical or constructive to go over all the what if’s.
 
There is a program to determine that. I don’t know how active it is now, but it was very active in my day and I participated in it. A scary thing, and this runs across multiple administrations going to back to the 90’s: the Army is the master-keeper of most things that go “bang” for all the services. There are some exceptions.

I did a lot of consulting for DoD, particularly the Army Materiel Command, in the early 2000’s. The GAO published a report about that time that the Army’s inventory was something like $5 Billion in error. That means there was $5 Billion worth of stuff that the Army didn’t know if it still had, or if it had it where it was, or if it had it whether it was ready for issue (in working order). I doubt that has gotten better and it has probably gotten worse. Solving that is part of “Draining the swamp.”
 
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Read the Constitution. He is qualified, period. The Framers did not want professional politicians. Finally we have a president who is not one.
 
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PaulinVA said:
Is the pressure good? Is it self-inflicted? Is it deserved?

He is totally unqualified to be President and has actually practiced flat-out nepotism in appointing his daughter and son in law to senior advisor positions. They, too, are totally unqualified.

Do you think if Hillary, or Jeb, or Rubio had won the election they would have told their staffs, “Hey, get that Kushner kid and his wife as senior advisors. They are the smartest political operatives in the nation”. 🤣
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Just because no one else in the GOP would have a Trump serving in their White House, that would not be evidence of incompetence. That is evidence that everyone would realize they’re loyal to Mr. Trump first.

As for being qualified, he is what we have. Anyone who is any good at it has to delegate, because nobody knows enough to run everything. If he committed a crime, there is a chance he’ll be removed, but not a very good chance. If he runs in 2020, there is even a chance he’ll win again, because I don’t see anyone magically bobbing up to beat him. Time will tell.

I just hope if he tries something really awful, someone in the executive branch will head him off at the pass. I’ve been waiting for him to spit out some coherent policy, but this does not seem to be his long suit. I can only hope he is very fortunate in who he chooses to delegate to.
 
PetraG said:
The topic of the thread is whether or not we support the current President of the United States. How we’re supposed to do this without employing any prudential judgment, I’m sure I do not know.

In my judgment, IF Mr. Trump were guilty of something, he would not resign. I not believe that is rash judgment, and I do not think Mr. Trump himself would find the conjecture insulting. He’d say he’s not a quitter; I’d agree.
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The point is we must accept the reality that Donald Trump is President, and it is not constructive or practical or fruitful to have an endless “what-if” discussion which goes nowhere.

Let us pray for Trump and hope he becomes a Saint. If you have no hope God can change him and God’s grace is not powerful enough, well, then that is simply despair.
 
jfz178 said:
Read the Constitution. He is qualified, period. The Framers did not want professional politicians. Finally we have a president who is not one.
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Do you mean: He was born here, he is old enough, and he got enough electoral votes, therefore he’s qualified.

In other words, there is no such thing as a duly-elected yet incompetent President? That redefines “qualified” right out of any use as an adjective.
 
No. They would have gotten cronies, though, and they may not have been any more qualified.
 
PetraG said:
I think his supporters do, too. They like having someone who says outrageous things, then act hurt when people respond by being outraged. It doesn’t even make sense.
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Can you be more careful when you talk about “his supporters”? They aren’t a monolith, there are all kinds of Trump supports, just as there are all kinds of Catholics, obviously.
 
Hello deacon, are you really a Deacon or you just put that title?
This is Mamas Boy the one who started this Topic. Thank you for your share.
 
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