Do Catholics still support Trump

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MamasBoy33 said:
You never talked about a girl like that? You never been with a guy friend and talked nasty?

Please answer that.

Remember Jesus said you who have not sinned throw the first stone?

I forgive trump for saying that and it wasn’t right But is forgivable.
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No, I can’t say I’ve said something along those lines, but have I used vulgar language, talked about women in a disrespectful way? Yes, I will be the first to admit it and I am sorry for those things.

I forgive Trump, and think he was a man to admit he was wrong. I don’t bring it up, but those who oppose him do and I must denounce it again.
 
So you look things up. Help me out: what have you looked up that he lied about? How far off was he? What was his point? What was the context? Do you honestly think his supporters don’t ALSO look things up?
 
anon65111186 said:
I just have one question for you, one Catholic to another. Would you say that in the presence of Trump? Be completely honest.

Say Trump was standing right in front of us, would you say those words? If not, why?
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Yes, I would. I live nearby, but, unfortunately, he hasn’t invited me to dinner.

I think it is the duty of every patriotic American to resist him at every turn.

I am a veteran, a former Republican, and someone who is weeping for what this Presidency is doing to our country.

Oh, and the lying is a fact, the pu**y-grabbing are his own words, he’s admitted he’s a narcissist in one of his books. So I wouldn’t be telling him anything he doesn’t know.
 
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PaulinVA said:
Yes, I would. I live nearby, but, unfortunately, he hasn’t invited me to dinner.
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So you think that would be couth, tactful and charitable? I just wonder how you treat other people you don’t agree with or don’t support.

Who did you vote for anyhow?
 
anon65111186 said:
So you think that would be couth, tactful and charitable? I just wonder how you treat other people you don’t agree with or don’t support.

Who did you vote for anyhow?
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I didn’t vote for Hillary or Donald. Neither were good choices. I did vote for down ballot candidates.

As to couth, tactful, or charitable, as I said, resist.
 
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Timothy, I apologize for my rudeness.

I feel very passionately about this.
 
I wonder how many will be pleased, if the following is found to be true: the tax reform bill will mean higher taxes for those with larger families. I’m seeing a number of Christian leaders voicing concerns on social media.
 
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That article contains descriptions of things Trump re-tweeted from others, but I don’t find links to the actual content. I’d like to be able to judge it for myself. I suspect they do not prominently link to the material because it is a tempest in a teapot, but they cover it by saying “oh we shan’t lower ourselves to promote such content” even though it’s their job to show what it is they are reporting on.
 
MamasBoy33 said:
We must forgive 70x7
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Forgive, yes. Support, no. Even forgiving someone, with no evidence of change in character, we can still withhold our support for them, if we deem them unworthy of public office. It would be the same type of prudent decision that we use when we do not put convicted child molesters as bus drivers or day care workers, even after they are forgiven.

And no, I have never talked to or about any female in that way.

I understand those who support him in spite of his character, but I do not understand defending weak character.
 
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PaulinVA said:
Timothy, I apologize for my rudeness.

I feel very passionately about this.
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I’m sorry as well, and I forgive you brother.

I think that it would be to support only the good things, only those things that are in harmony with our faith, with Christ’s love, and denounce what he has done that is evil.

He has told many lies, but as with anyone who lies, calling them a liar to their face is not the spirit of Christ. That is my point.

I am not blind to his wrongdoings but I still cheer him on regarding things many can unite behind.
 
pnewton said:
Forgive, yes. Support, no. Even forgiving someone, with no evidence of change in character, we can still withhold our support for them, if we deem them unworthy of public office.
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Who then do you deem worthy of office?

Is there any practical alternative?
 
Personally, I voted for Jeb Bush, though there were a lot of people who are decent, intelligent, experienced and pro-life.
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but I still cheer him on regarding things many can unite behind.
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The problem is that he is divisive. He cannot unite. Not that this is all his fault, but he is carrying on the legacy or Obama or unilateral action that has divided this country, though President Obama was probably worse when it came to uniting our country. Nonetheless, President Trump has done virtually nothing to change this, except reverse the polarity, where Democrats and everyone from the middle to the left are disenfranchised.

I long for political leaders that understand that without compromise we will never be united.
 
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pnewton said:
Personally, I voted for Jeb Bush, though there were a lot of people who are decent, intelligent, experienced and pro-life.
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Jeb was my man as well, until I realized he wouldn’t even get the nomination and I wasn’t goong to vote for another loser, (McCain, Romney).

Realistically, in the primary, not voting for Trump was helping Hillary. Just as voting for Bernie was helping Trump.
 
Then, according to you, I helped Hillary, though I disagree with this. In the general election, I voted for neither, but then I believe math over rhetoric. I always considered realism to be doing what I think is the most moral and leaving the results to God. I will not vote for him three years from not, by the way, unless he is a dramatically changed man. I sure won’t succumb to the old abortion blackmail from a party that rejected all the pro-life candidates in favor of one that was “meh” and “not Hillary.”
 
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Thanks for the heads-up brother. I am catching up and listening to it now on youtube. If anybody wants to hear it’s a great speech so far:

 
pnewton said:
Then, according to you, I helped Hillary, though I disagree with this. In the general election, I voted for neither, but then I believe math over rhetoric.
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Okay here is what I mean:

At the presidential election, when Trump has the party behind him and the nomination, voting for another candidate increases the chances they will win, not Trump.

Did you honestly think that Jeb had a realistic chance or likely chance of winning over Trump?

To take that chance would be to assure that someone worse than Trump wins.

So in principle you voted for Jeb, but in effect you increased the chances that a greater evil than Trump would win.
 
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Yes. And another way the media distorts the truth is by burying good news of Trump accomplishments. They don’t actually ignore it completely, but they place it on page three of the website or page 20 of their newspaper. That way, if you say they didn’t report it, they cover themselves: “Yes we did! See? It’s right there.” Knowing full well almost nobody sees it where they put it.

CASE IN POINT: Shouldn’t the fact that ISIS has been crushed in less than a year be big news?

Instead the lead stories are things like Mueller and his nothing “investigation”.
 
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