Do Catholics still support Trump

[Axsenex]

I missed the last minute speech since I was watching London Has Fallen on Netflix

 

[OKi]

Thank you for being specific, and I can see where you would see that as a lie. As others have pointed out, context and the timeline of events are important, but at least you backed up your accusation of lying with a specific instance, and I appreciate that.

 

[po18guy]

To those who are STILL unable to deal with the reality of the 2016 election, here is the alternative:

 

[sainteriksrose]

This based on what, exactly?

 

[sallybutler]

Is it my imagination, or do these threads degenerate into ‘I’m the real Catholic. No, I’m the real Catholic’ back and forth’s. I hesitate to call them conversations.

 

[pnewton]

Okay here is what I mean:

I know what you mean. I have heard it every election. I do not agree. You can substitute “Hillary” for “Trump” in the above statement and it would be just as true, that is, but not voting for Hillary I helped Trump to win.

This was not the last election. I will not support this continue division where both parties continue to give us the most extreme and divisive candidates they can. If they do, then the roll the dice. They may get Trump, or the next Obama. Either way, I will not vote for any lesser evil that is more evil than I can stomach.

 

[pnewton]

Is it my imagination, or do these threads degenerate into ‘I’m the real Catholic. No, I’m the real Catholic’ back and forth’s. I hesitate to call them conversations.

The Catholic Church allows for supporting a person like President Trump, or not. The reasons really matter, but both are possible. As much as I kick against abortion being used like a bludgeon, it is a pretty darn good reason for voting for Trump against Hillary this last election, and might hold for his re-election, at least as a legitimate moral option.

 

[Spyridon]

I love you @pnewton

I don’t even have to reply; you speak my mind for me

The whole “third party vote is a vote for x” trope was used by both sides, and it’s utter nonsense. A mere hysterical scare tactic to attempt to garner votes for the person the accuser is supporting.

A vote for Johnson for example, is a vote for Johnson. His name doesn’t magically turn to Trump in the ballot box.

And I also agree with my whole heart that to support the “lesser of two evils” is still to willfully acknowledge and support evil.

I refuse to support evil. I will not compromise nor negotiate nor even imply I accept evil. I will fight evil tooth and nail, till my heart stops beating.

I didn’t vote for candidates who I believed were simply less evil; I voted for candidates who I believed were righteous and who had views in line with Catholic teaching. I voted for Rubio in the primary, and Mike Maturen in the general. I’d do it again if I had to, also, because I can sleep easy at night regarding this subject, knowing I supported truly righteous candidates.

 

[MamasBoy33]

No, I can’t say I’ve said something along those lines, but have I used vulgar language, talked about women in a disrespectful way? Yes, I will be the first to admit it and I am sorry for those things.

Praise to you my bro, thank you for being so honest. Mucho mucho redirect for that

 

[SuperLuigi]

Did you even read the article?

 

[SuperLuigi]

As much as I kick against abortion being used like a bludgeon, it is a pretty darn good reason for voting for Trump against Hillary this last election,

Actually, I think we are fortunate that Trump has appointed who he has so far. And there are five (really six now) key issues Catholics should consider.

 

[MamasBoy33]

And no, I have never talked to or about any female in that way

You are amazing, there are not alot of people like you. Maybe like only 1% of all humans lol lol lol

 

[Spyridon]

Count me amazing then too.

I’ve never talked abour women the way Trump did.

I’ve said lude stuff about women - but never to the point of bragging about forcing myself on them.

If I heard someone talking about my wife the way Trump talked about the married woman he came onto - me and that man would be having a physical altercation.

 

[SuperLuigi]

People need to be more intellectually honest and defend their positions. Virtue-signaling is not an argument.

I don’t know who is the better Catholic. But I see a lot of the arguments in front of me don’t hold water and a big reason why the RCC loses is that people are too eager to believe nonsense or get along for the sake of getting along.

That is not what we are called to do.

Being Catholic means being persecuted, not pleasing the world.

It would also some people a lot of good to actually question their ideology for once.

 

[OKi]

I find this “unqualified” charge very strange. I think it even stranger that Hillary was billed as “the most qualified ever”. Very very strange to me because to me the main qualification is that the people want the president as their leader. They trust him on the priorities that pertain to the running of our country.

I was a big fan of Carly Fiorina early on and she had some great little phrases. She said in an interview with Katie Couric that “Ours was meant to be a citizen government. That’s what of by and for the people means.” She objected to the privileged political class that has grown unaccountable to the people and that is one of the appeals of Trump as he breaks that bad trend and brings us back toward an “everyman” running the country.

His haters don’t see him that way, but many of his supporters now (as did many decades ago in New York City) see him as the “blue collar billionaire” who understands the common man. Whether one sees him that way or not, it’s important to understand that’s where he gets a lot of his support.

 

[MamasBoy33]

Being Catholic means being persecuted, not pleasing the world.

Wow that was powerful , i Need to make a shirt that says that. Lol

 

[SuperLuigi]

Yeah, how’d things work out for the last 30 years with “qualified” people running the place?

 

[anon65111186]

I know what you mean. I have heard it every election. I do not agree. You can substitute “Hillary” for “Trump” in the above statement and it would be just as true, that is, but not voting for Hillary I helped Trump to win.

Okay, like it or not America is a two party system. A realist and pragmatist realizes there are only two options in an election. Don’t tell yourself something that isn’t true, a vote for anyone but Trump was a vote for Hillary.

If you didn’t vote for your candidate to win, it is a vote without meaning, because the purpose of voting is to elect the candidate, not express yourself.

If your vote could make a difference between an unavoidable and 100% inevitable set of two options, and you throw it away, it looks as if you don’t care about the outcome and both Trump and Hillary are just as good.

Unless your conscience and moral principles involve having Hillary win, a vote for anybody but the only other option (Trump) is not a principle, it is an excuse.

I voted on the issues, not on personality.

 

[Spyridon]

You act like you’ve never heard that before…

@MamasBoy33 he didn’t exactly say something new.

Matthew 5:10
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

John 15:20
Remember my word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept my word, they will keep yours also.

 

[SuperLuigi]

uld be just as true, that is, but not voting for Hillary I helped Trump to win.

Okay, like or not America is a two party system. A realist and pragmatist realizes there are only two options in an election. Don’t tell yourself something that isn’t true, a vote for anyone but Trump was a vote for Hillary.

If you didn’t vote for your candidate to win, it is a vote without meaning, because the purpose of voting is to

Don’t worry, I’m not trying to steal anyone’s thunder.