Do Muslims pray to the same God as Catholics or not?

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Kei said:
I fail to see how this is monotheism, as who is Elohim if not (at least a) God?
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They flip the roles traditionally assigned to each person. So if they think the snake is the real deity, you can imagine where that leaves the other side. It probably isn’t good to contemplate their twisted theology any further so I’ll stop here, but suffice it to say, there are groups that worship him as the only deity.
 
meltzerboy2 said:
But what does the CCC say about this? Does it not say that Muslims and Jews also worship the One True Gd (even if they, according to Catholic belief, do not pray to Christ)? Did the Catechism of the Catholic Church get this wrong?
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Funny thing is, Muslims themselves say they don’t worship the same God as us.Are we saying our Church documents prove th wrong about themselves?!
 
Jen7 said:
Funny thing is, Muslims themselves say they don’t worship the same God as us.
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All Muslims agree that there is only one God: ‘I bear witness that there is no god but God’.

The Qur’an is quite clear that Jews and Christians who believe in God, and who do righteous works, will be admitted to Heaven. The same is true for Muslims.

Since there is only one God who is worthy of worship, and who alone can permit- or deny- entry to Heaven, it follows that Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

That they do so in different ways - and differ in their understanding of His nature - is beyond dispute. But these differences cannot possibly mean that there is more than one God; one Creator; one Sustainer.

How often does this need to be said?
 
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Niblo said:
The Qur’an is quite clear that Jews and Christians who believe in God, and who do righteous works, will be admitted to Heaven. The same is true for Muslims.
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Our Gospel today is on this theme.

Mathew 25
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
 
In regards to the linked videos -

I am going to be open and honest here. I don’t believe that Islam is demonic, but at the same time I do believe that there is a climate of political correctness today that is sweeping very big problems and realities under the carpet.
Muslims from many countries are family orientated, peace loving good people who we should focus on our similarities with and have friendship.
But at the same time, it is being swept under the rug that there are a lot in certain particular countries that do have dangerous mentalities and this was displayed in the recent protests against Macron where they were burning his effigy (symbolic of him).
No religion should ever be mocked or ridiculed, but their reaction is extreme and shocking.
I believe to be pc and ignore these realities and mentalities is dangerous.
Many many don’t fit this stereotype, but the ones that do…something needs to be addressed.
This topic is probably out of the scope of this thread though.
 
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@Niblo,

I will put this to you as you are a Muslim it is hard to make sense how one God can make a Catholic become a deeper Catholic, and a Muslim become a deeper Muslim.
It would make sense if the differences were solely about Jesus divinity and the trinity as “surface topics”, (sorry for the poor choice of words), but it seems that Muslim spirituality and Christian spirituality itself leads to different spiritual states if that makes sense.
So ultimately one God, but He never tells either (the priest or the Iman) that they are wrong??

I am curious, why did you leave the Catholic religion and become a Muslim? Was your decision based on a “mental reasoning” of not believing in the trinity, or was it based on some spiritual experience?
What is different for you now then it was when you were Catholic?
 
To the people mentioning that often the people that convert to Islam are people that were ignorant of their own religion, or people that are “seekers” due to having had bad experiences in life-

this is very perceptive and something that I have also noticed.
I have noticed that a good number of females on Youtube who have converted to Islam had had negative emotional experiences in life such as the death of a brother, abusive relationships etc.
Is this bad of good?
I mean, is it that God uses bad events to bring people to religion and faith (whether Christianity, or Islam etc)?
Or is it rather, that the persons emotional state is a bad thing that causes a sort of conversion where Islam is a crutch, so to speak?

It is hard to explain what I am trying to say. I am trying to say is any conversion a good conversion and good in Gods eyes?
Emotional issues are Gods ways to bring people to him, or rather they are a psychological flaw?
Can someone’s religious experience/conversion be a psychological flaw?
 
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Eric_Hyom said:
Our Gospel today is on this theme.
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Amazingly, and with great tension, so is our reading today from St Paul,
Reading 2
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1 COR 15:20-26, 28

Brothers and sisters:
Christ has been raised from the dead,
the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through man, the resurrection of the dead came also through man.
For just as in Adam all die,
so too in Christ shall all be brought to life,
but each one in proper order:
Christ the firstfruits; then, at his coming, those who belong to Christ;
then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father,
when he has destroyed every sovereigntyand every authority and power.
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. When everything is subjected to him,
then the Son himself will also be subjected to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all.
 
I watched a film on this and it is awful what happened to India.
I am curious, was everyone who was living in the Pakistan part prior to the split of India already Muslim, or did they convert to Islam and/or move over to the India side of land?
Do you consider Bangladeshi’s and Pakistani’s as being genetically the same as Indians, or rather partly genetically the same?

I noticed your profile state you are only 17, so only answer if you know:)
 
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by appeal to pride? I thought that Muslims also placed a huge emphasis on humility like Christians?
 
Plz tell me which movie did you watched ?
Lets go to the question -
  1. I am curious, was everyone who was living in the Pakistan part prior to the split of India already Muslim, or did they convert to Islam and/or move over to the India side of land?
    Answer . NO, Actually there were they didn’t convert to Islam . On 23rd 1956 Pakistan declared itself secular but the situation was not good for Hindus and Sikhs . Girls were getting raped by Muslim men at the age of 13 or 14 as we see now with Christians of Pakistan. Let’s say a city like Lahore in Pakistan were so many Hindu temples were there before Partition and now there are small mosques or shopes. The population of Hindus and Sikh decreased in Pakistan and Muslim population is growing faster than Hindus in India.
    Hindus are and were very peaceful religious people but due to Muslims treating them as garbage in there own country lead to radical Hinduism which is affecting Catholic , Christians and Muslims .
    I will tell you a recent case in Pakistan were a small Hindu community was given land to build a temple from themselves and as the Mullahs came to know this news they said to people this is a Islamic country we will not pay for making a temple for Idolitars.
    People started to come to these places and started praying namaz .
    If you have free time see this .-
    How this border transformed a subcontinent | India & Pakistan - YouTube
    Islamabad Kids :“I will kill all Hindus” Pakistani man kid display bigotry in all const of temple. - YouTube
    English sub - 0:00 - 0:29
    - YouTube
  2. Do you consider Bangladeshi’s and Pakistani’s as being genetically the same as Indians, or rather partly genetically the same?
    Answer - Yes, but with Pakistan ideology and mindset. India helped in Bangladesh formation and my uncle was a Paratrooper who did a paradrop in Dhaka during war.
    Ancient India was bigger than the present India.
    (Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
    All these countries once were part of India.
 
Thanks for giving me the movie name.
And think what will happen will Islam takes over Europe and America.
Peace
STAY HEALTHY AND SAFE
And Stay away from Religion of peace (Islam).
 
Rozellelily said:
I will put this to you as you are a Muslim it is hard to make sense how one God can make a Catholic become a deeper Catholic, and a Muslim become a deeper Muslim.
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It’s not hard at all, once we realise that wherever God is, He is there in His entirety (He has no parts, and cannot be divided). He is with Rozellelily right now, just as much as He is with, say Eric, or Niblo.

The Beloved loves each of us as though we are the only ones He knows. Each of us is precious in His sight; and His desire (if I may use that word) is to draw us to Himself with ties of love, and to have us remain there, at peace with Him.

The Qur’an says that He could have made humankind all the same, walking the same path; but He chose otherwise, as a test for us. At the end, He will explain to us our differences.

We become deeper in our respective Faiths only when we live that Faith to the best of our ability; at all times putting love of God - whatever we perceive Him to be - above all things. Time spent looking at the behaviour of other folk - in the manner of this thread, for example - is time that would have been better spent looking at Him!

As for why I became a Muslim, may I suggest you read my profile. To repeat it here would be seriously off topic! 🙂

May the Beloved continue to guide you, and to bless you. Be the best Catholic you can be. That is what He wants of you.
 
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I think we do. Jews and Christians do not have the same understanding of God, but, we don’t argue that Jews don’t pray to the same God. I think Muslims have the wrong understanding of God, but there’s no other God to pray to.
 
Rozellelily said:
Or is it rather, that the persons emotional state is a bad thing that causes a sort of conversion where Islam is a crutch , so to speak?

It is hard to explain what I am trying to say. I am trying to say is any conversion a good conversion and good in Gods eyes?
Emotional issues are Gods ways to bring people to him, or rather they are a psychological flaw?
Can someone’s religious experience/conversion be a psychological flaw?
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I don’t know about “good” or “bad” conversions, but it’s clear that everyone has a different motive. Newman converted when he realized that the Donatists were heretics simply because the Pope said they were. There are books about various authors and intellectuals converting to Catholicism.

I’ve spent years watching Youtube videos of converts to Islam. An outstanding example is Myriam Francois-Cerrah, a one-time young actress who converted after she read Oriana Fallaci’s books about Islam in Europe and was so outraged she read the Qur’an and found enlightenment. She is a good example because she is clearly intelligent and self-aware. And the BBC seems unable to talk about Islam without putting her on the panel. But as far as I can see she knew little if anything about her own Catholic religion. I suspect like most people she had a grade school level of knowledge. So when someone came along and said “The Trinity is false. Christ is not God. The Bible has been corrupted. Why do you pray to idols?,” and so on she was defenseless. This seems to be the pattern. This is a failure of Catholic education. I suspect a lot of time is spent talking about “love,” etc. which is all well and good, but I also suspect if you asked a graduate of a Catholic high school why we think Jesus is divine, they would be clueless. The French did a study about Islamic extremists. They found that most of them were converts, and most of those were women.

But historically, when the king converted, everyone converted–Franks, Vikings, etc. And I’m 100% sure they all didn’t know the details of Christianity. Nor did more recent converts in Africa, Asia, etc. So is knowledge necessary to convert? I don’t think so.

Several years ago I went to an RCIA class to investigate the phenomenon of conversion first hand. I would go early and talk to someone in as much depth as I could, and then stay late and talk to someone else. There were about 25 people in the class, so I think it was a reasonable sample.
Reasons for converting:
  1. emotional. Things like dreams, “signs,” and “personal relationship with God” (i.e., God talks to me)
  2. influence of friends or spouse.
  3. search for “authority.” They seemed uncomfortable with their own consciences and wanted some higher authority to tell them definitively what was “right” and what was “wrong.”
Notice that all of these reasons could also apply to conversion to Islam! Also notice the absence of logic and reason.
 
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LilyM said:
I mean there are people in and outside the US who have radically, even diametrically opposed, understandings abut who Donald Trump is, but we can see they are talking about the same person and not a different one.
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I think this is a great analogy, and I’ve used it myself, but without Trump! Pick any hypothetical or real example: John Doe. John has a set of friends from high school. They remember him as a slacker, selfish, disconnected from his peers, etc. John also has a set of friends from his current job, 30 years later. They know him as kind, generous, hard working, engaged, etc. And John also has a wife, children, and relatives who know yet another side of him.

The point is that John is still John. But each group sees him completely differently, so differently that if they described him to another group they wouldn’t recognize him. Is the God of the Old Testament who told the Israelites to massacre the Amelikites man, woman, and child the same God who said “Turn the other cheek” in the New Testament? The Muslims have an interesting saying: Whatever attribute you attribute to God, you also have to say the opposite. But all this begs the real question: Is there something you could say about God that clearly sets you apart and allows others to say you are describing a totally different God?
 
WanderingPilgrim said:
This whole notion of Jews and Muslims worshiping the same God as us wasn’t the official position of the Church until Vatican II and all the modernization.
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As I recall, the whole notion of human slavery being an affront to human dignity and immoral wasn’t the official position of the church until Vatican 2. The church’s views evolving for the better isn’t just possible—it has actually occurred. Stands to reason that something similar happened with the church embracing a more inclusive perspective with respect to other religions.
 
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