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Rozellelily
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Welcome to CAF @ MarcoDeAviano
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upant
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@Niblo just a bump in case you missed my question. Thanks in advanceNiblo:
what about these verses, how do you reconcile them with what you wrote?
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upant
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Did St Paul warn us of Islam in Gal 1:8
Sorry, Upant. I ought to have responded sooner.
Have drafted a reply to your first quote; and am working on the other two. God willing, I will submit my stuff by the weekend, at the latest. Thank you for your patience.
Very best regards, and may the Beloved protect you in these difficult times.
Have drafted a reply to your first quote; and am working on the other two. God willing, I will submit my stuff by the weekend, at the latest. Thank you for your patience.
Very best regards, and may the Beloved protect you in these difficult times.
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Kaninchen
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Just thought I’d mention that.
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Kei
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VII FAQs (not an endorsement of all things on the website)
Let us try to understand what has been promulgated further. Muslims attempt to adore the God of Israel. They mess up, but they still try. That doesn’t mean Islamic worship is pleasing to God.
Let us try to understand what has been promulgated further. Muslims attempt to adore the God of Israel. They mess up, but they still try. That doesn’t mean Islamic worship is pleasing to God.
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Margaret_Ann
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Hilaire Belloc predicted the rise of Islam in the late 20th century in The Great Heresies. Like they say in the pasta sauce commercial: “It’s in there!”
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Kei
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I agree. I was NOT saying it isn’t at least somewhat pleasing (their intentions seem right at least). We aren’t God, as you say.
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Rozellelily
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Unfortunately, I think we just end up with more questions than answers. Some posters believe that Muslims pray to the same God, others believe that they don’t, but we can never get a clear answer on why God has allowed a plurality of religions, when the very essence of those religions points to different beliefs about the truth.
On one hand, Christians and Muslims can focus on their similarities and have good relations, but then on the other hand we are left with why is God leaving us with this confusion?
Muslims arn’t likely to convert, and vice versa so…is there some higher purpose to all of this?
Are humans just players in some “higher game”, if that makes sense?
Tbh, I can understand to some degree why some people are becoming so disillusioned with religion. It has seemed to cause more wars, divisions, and horrors then love and peace.
On one hand, Christians and Muslims can focus on their similarities and have good relations, but then on the other hand we are left with why is God leaving us with this confusion?
Muslims arn’t likely to convert, and vice versa so…is there some higher purpose to all of this?
Are humans just players in some “higher game”, if that makes sense?
Tbh, I can understand to some degree why some people are becoming so disillusioned with religion. It has seemed to cause more wars, divisions, and horrors then love and peace.
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upant
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Maybe it isn’t God at all but the ruler of this world, satan, who is spreading lies and creating false religions
After all, Islam and Christianity have teachings that are incompatible and only one can be true.
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Eric_Hyom
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It seems that God has chosen a plurality of religions, rather than allowed it.
The Jews are God’s chosen people.
Christians are chosen by Christ.
In Islam, Allah chooses whom he wills.
I would say the opposite is true, if we obeyed our scriptures there would be no wars. The greatest commandments are to love God and neighbour.
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Rozellelily
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But if that’s the case, why would God choose to give us contradictions? It can’t be both that Jesus is God, and that he is not, (if that makes sense).
You are right and that’s true in theory and in a perfect world, but has it really played out this way in the real world?
In the real world, beyond just love of neighbour, people of different religions get caught in who’s is right and fight over it.
Life is a “dynamic experience”, and involves many decisions where different religious viewpoints are incompatible, and then someone becomes angry and tensions grow.
For example, there were some instance in my country where:
- Muslim taxi drivers rejected passengers with guide dog because they believed that dogs are dirty according to their religion.
- There were others who refused to carry passengers who had sealed bottles of alcohol, as they were hyper-religious & felt they could not be in the presence of alcohol.
- Another driver refused to transport an elderly couple who were holding a Christmas ham that they won at the local RSL club.
So in situations like this, where a believer of this religions values not only differ from their host country, but actually impose on people of the host country, how does one love God & the neighbour?
And which neighbour do we love-
-the blind person with the guide dog?
or
-the strict Muslim Taxi driver?
Because ultimately somebody is not going to be happy.
It is easy to talk about the commandments but often more complex to play out in real life situations.
How do we act out Christian love and peace, but not fall into the political correctness trap that is so prevalent in western countries today?
I.e., does love your neighbour mean that we should accommodate extreme/inflexible religious mindsets when they are not healthy- neither for society nor for the individual?
Does love of neighbour mean that France should have allowed public wear of the niqab to show religious tolerance… no matter how extreme the religious expression is?
Even though some female children are made/conditioned to wear it, thus ironically creating a sexualization of children by bringing adult concepts onto them.
Who should “we” love here, the deeply religious person & their “rights”, or that innocent child’s “rights”?
Clearly there are many many moderate Muslims who are good hearted people, but I chose to use these examples, because the commandments are not always straightforward in complex situations where religious belief influences social behaviour & causes social clashes.
Should love of neighbour mean not (respectfully) challenging extreme mentalities?
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Rozellelily
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Thanks for the interesting article @upant
There are some big issues in the world, and I do not see the “political correct way” so prelavent today is going to solve them. It is just sweeping things under the rug, imo.
Christians should be loving, but surely this needs to be balanced with being brave to admit that there are real concerns in our world?
I am a believer in free speech but I don’t believe those Charli Hebdo comics should mock Islam. It is hurtful and wrong for any religion to be mocked, but the way that some of these protestors have been so quick to violence (or simulated violence) when someone does mock them is worrying.
It is one thing for someone to commit acts of terror, but when we read that their own mother or father actually supports this, then this is a “systemic” problem.
There are some big issues in the world, and I do not see the “political correct way” so prelavent today is going to solve them. It is just sweeping things under the rug, imo.
Christians should be loving, but surely this needs to be balanced with being brave to admit that there are real concerns in our world?
I am a believer in free speech but I don’t believe those Charli Hebdo comics should mock Islam. It is hurtful and wrong for any religion to be mocked, but the way that some of these protestors have been so quick to violence (or simulated violence) when someone does mock them is worrying.
It is one thing for someone to commit acts of terror, but when we read that their own mother or father actually supports this, then this is a “systemic” problem.
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Margaret_Ann
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^^^ (I ran out of likes).
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Rozellelily
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But something has change in the Catholic Churches viewpoint about the Jews I think? It can be hard to navigate because Jesus said one thing but now the Catholic Church is saying something different.
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