guanophore…here is a reply i missed;
Like Ron and Tweety, I thought you were role playing being a Catholic when you wrote this.
In this particular post I was role playing
So, you are sayihng that you would have to come to believe that:
- Peter is the Rock upon which Jesus founded the Church
- Apostolic Succession exists and is valid
- Jesus meant what He said “this is my Body, this is my Blood”.
- Jesus has given us a great grace of reconciliation through the ministerial priesthood
- The Rosary is a devotion of the Latin Rite, and is not considered part of Apostolic teaching. Not sure what you would have to “come to believe about praying the Rosary”.
It seems like it would be expedient not to find fault with others who use this devotion, but it is not required.
- That all of our sin nature needs to be purified before we enter heaven (purgatory)
- That the comnunion of saints mentioned in the creed was actually taught by the Apostles (basis for praying for those who have passed into the next life)
- That Mary really is the Ark of the New covenant (perpetual virgninity)
Did I get all that right?
Yes you did
I currently do not believe any on the list is the way God intended His christian church to be.
I wanted to let you know that I believe all your souls may be in grave danger if you do not make the same decision I made.
This statement is not consisten with the teachings of the Church. YOu have misunderstood.
I do not believe I have.
look at what wcknight posted in 584
Re: do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??
The short answer… no, but is sure does help a lot.
Getting to Heaven as a non-Catholic is like trying to cross the sea in a row boat. Trying to get there as a Catholic is like crossing in a luxury Ocean liner.
This illustration is consistent with what achris has posted to me there is no salvation outside the church and what the vatican released
cbc.ca/world/story/2007/0…an-church.html
document adds that Protestant denominations — called Christian Communities born out of the Reformation — are not true churches, but ecclesial communities.
“These ecclesial communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood … cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called ‘churches’ in the proper sense,” it said.
My question is…
If a protestant dies well aware of the catholic church and all of the churches teachings and made a decision not to join the church…
Is that protestant ignorant or has rebelled?
you replied
This is only for God to judge.
also…
They all leave because of ignorance or rebellion. Most don’t understand their faith, and never took the time to study it. The rest commit the sin of Satan, saying “I will not serve” or prefer the desires of the flesh over obedience to God’s commands.
Some that leave come back, or some, like me, begin to study and learn their faith while still separated from the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ. Would God have saved me while I was still living as a Protestant? I am glad that I will not have to find out!
interesting thaught.
Are you concerned that if you were to leave for whatever reason and not return to the catholic church God will not save you?
forget about judging
please tell me in your own words what is the difference between rebellion and ignorance?
this is important to me. In my current position away from the catholic faith, I have been told in PM by a catholic that my salvation is in grave danger, and achris has said flat out God will not save me.
let me remind you you have stated rebellion against the truth condemn oneself to hell and ignorance does not condemn one to hell
You have very little understanding of the Teachings of the Catholic Church,
and you base that judgement on??
Originally Posted by mpjw2
I said that because it is consistant with the vatican
In all sincerity, it seems clear that you do not understand the documents.
There is no salvation outside the Catholic church.
exactly, you believe there is no salvation outside the church. you just said it.
guanophore on one hand you said this is only for God to judge while the other is saying no salvation outside the church
God desires for all to be saved, and come to the knowlege of the Truth. He gives each one sufficient grace to respond to His call to repent and believe in the Gospel. Those who respond to His grace can be saved.
This is almost exacly what I believe …
God desires for all to be saved, and come to the knowlege of the Truth. He gives each one of you the free will to respond to His word and promise and to confess and repent and believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and the shedding of His blood as the only way our sins are forgiven. Those who confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised Him from the dead will be saved.
I make a sincere contrite confession, no sin witheld I believe I am in absolute grace and on my way to heaven should I die right after such a confession.
you
The Apostles taught that it is not your place to make such a judgement.
just curious where in scripture do you find that teaching?
you
in the sacrament, all sins are forgiven, even those that we did not know we committed. You might want to consider reviewing the Rite of Confession. In it, the priest says “I absolve you from all your past sins”. This includes those we did not realize we committed, or believed at the time were not sins.
is it your belief then I can not ask God to forgive me while confessing to Him of all such sins without a catholic priest present?
Well I guess I can ask for forgiveness but do you believe God might not forgive me without a priest to verbally say to me “I absolve you”
In due respect, the priest is not the one who actually forgives ones sins, Our sins are forgiven by the blood of Jesus
correct?
thank you and God bless
Some of your views…
I sure am greatful God holds my future and not you…
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