do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

[colved]

You do not have to be catholic to get into heaven.

The bible tells us if you believe in your heart, and confess with your mouth that Jesus is the Lord and Savior of your life, and that God raised him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED. romans 10:9. there is no interpretation here.

 

[prochrist1]

(Ephesians 2:8-9) - “For by grace you have been saved through faith”

We’re justified by faith however that faith must mean productive, good deeds or good works is a result off…

 

[ron77nyc]

Yes you need to hold the true Catholic faith to get into heaven. Heretics go to hell. Jesus Christ said wide is the gate to damnation and narrow is the path to heaven(Matthew 7:13). If you are a protestant or lutheran or any other corrupted form of the faith you will go to hell. go to www.mostholyfamilymonistary.com if you want to be saved.

It’s monastery not monistary. If you got that wrong you have to ask youself------What else could I be wrong about?

 

[mpjw2]

thank you PR for answering a question I posted to guanaphore

trying to get guanfore to explain which is which…his reply was basically God will judge who is in rebellion or ignorant.

I see that you believe all protestants are damed to hell who are ignorant, however you did not state the eternal destination of one who is in rebellion…if you would be so kind as to post and let me know

based on your descriptions, consider
all non catholic christians who have seen, knew or heard about the catholic church and have the same belief in the bible and faith in the same God/Jesus/Holy Spirit as you do, but have never in their life been a member of the catholic church, even at the time of their death, what do you believe describes these christians?

are they rebelling or ignorant?

destined for heaven or hell?

if for some reason you had a dramatic change of heart and decided to leave the catholic church and be a member of one of the many non catholic christian churches and did not return at the time of your death,

would you be

in rebellion to the catholic church teaching? destined for heaven or hell?

or

ignorant to the catholic church teaching? destined for heaven or hell?

Hope you do not mind the personal question but that scenario is me. I was part of the CC, left and I am not coming back

thank you in advance in answering my questions.

I have just one more…

Who is wrong in their belief of ignorance and rebellion…you or guanaphore?

please look at the following
mpjw

please tell me in your own words what is the difference between rebellion and ignorance?

Rebellion: (did not indicate) I will not OBEY. I will not submit. I am my own authority. I decide what God really meant when He said “if you divorce and remarry, you commit adultery”. I decide if God really meant “He who hears you hears me.”

Ignorance: (no chance of heaven=hell) The CC teaches that there is no salvation outside the Church means that all Protestants are damned to hell.

here is what guanaphore replied to me in 523

The vast majority of people who have been exposed to Catholicism misunderstand it. Even persons raised in the faith as you were don’t understand many essentials of the faith. If they did understood, they would never leave.
Ignorance (chance of heaven) does not prevent heaven.
Rebellion (no chance of heaven=hell) does.

you

Ignorance: (no chance of heaven=hell)

guanaphore

Ignorance (chance of heaven) does not prevent heaven.

thank you again and God bless

mpjw2

 

[PRmerger]

I see that you believe all protestants are damed to hell who are ignorant, however you did not state the eternal destination of one who is in rebellion…if you would be so kind as to post and let me know.

:bigyikes:

Where did you get that I said THAT???

This is what I said:
Ignorance: The CC teaches that there is no salvation outside the Church means that all Protestants are damned to hell.

Again, that is an example of IGNORANCE. No one who is invincibly ignorant of the Faith is culpable for their IGNORANCE.

 

[PRmerger]

ignorant to the catholic church teaching? destined for heaven or hell?

Let me be clear: IF ONE IS INVINCIBLY IGNORANT OF THE FAITH ONE IS NOT DESTINED FOR HELL.

“Those also** can **attain to everlasting salvation who **through no fault of their own **do not know the gospel of Christ or his Church, yet sincerely seek God and, moved by grace, strive by their deeds to do his will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does divine Providence deny the help necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God, but who strive to live a good life, thanks to his grace” (Lumen Gentium, no. 16). (bold mine)

This should have been part of your catechesis as a Catholic, mpjw, but, alas, it is the Church’s fault that you never received this message.

 

[PRmerger]

mpjw,

do you believe a good Muslim, who denies Jesus’ divinity, but dies because he ran in front of a bus to save your son is destined to Hell?

do you believe that someone who accepts Jesus as his Lord and savior at 15, lives 50 years as a Christian, but at age 65 cheats on his wife and dies is destined to heaven or hell?

 

[mpjw2]

PRmerger,

I forgot to reply back to you about Paul.
you stated to me that He never declared he was sure he was going to heaven.

PR, when you read 1Timothy1, Paul in conversation with his son Timothy basically tells him that, even though he was the worst of sinners, Jesus used him to illustrate His unlimited patience and how God poured out His grace on him in abundance as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life.

I do not know about you…but I picture myself in Timothy’s shoes listening to my dad talk to me

Here is what I am thinking

Wow, my dad just admitted to me he was the worst of sinners. He at one time persecuted christians and was a blasphemer.

I can not imagine a worst sin.
I am glad he told me how sure he was about the only way to heaven is to believe on Jesus

I believe my dad believes, even tough he does not deserve heaven because of his past, he is sure God will welcome him into heaven when he dies because he has repented of his sins and of his solid faith and believe in Jesus.

There is no expression of doubt in this conversation which I can see

 

[mpjw2]

Hi PR …good questions

mpjw,

do you believe a good Muslim, who denies Jesus’ divinity, but dies because he ran in front of a bus to save your son is destined to Hell?

unfortunately yes…He was a good person to save another but unfortunately he could have prevented himself from suffering 2 deaths when he had the chance while he was living, his physical death and his spritual death

That is why I am passionate on getting the good news out to people that it does not matter how good you are…

bible even addresses God sees our good works as filthy rags

All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away. Isaiah 64:6

At the moment he cheated on his wife he is in sin and destined for hell.

if he did not sincerely repent and confess to God (and God will only know this man’s heart at this time) of committing adultery at any point prior to his death, he is destined for hell

If in his last breath before he dies he gives a sincere confession to God (and God will only know this man’s heart at this time) and repents of his sin/s God will save him and welcome him with open arms into His Kingdom :heaven:

Now you got me curious as to how you would answer if you would be so kind

thank you and God bless

mpjw

 

[Sonny1954]

Just to play the “devil’s advocate” (perhaps a risky phrase to use in this context), the assumption of this entire thread seems to be that Catholics have an easier time going to Heaven than Non-Catholics, Christian or otherwise.

I wonder if that assumption might not be reversed? Since Catholics cannot claim “invincible ignorance” and have spiritual benefits that people of other faiths do not, might Catholics ultimately be held to a higher standard? Might it not in fact be more difficult for Catholics to get to Heaven because God expects more of them?

Just a thought…

 

[mpjw2]

This is why we “protestants” believe faith alone gets you to heaven…

but whlie we are alive faith without works is dead.

the bottom line is
even if the muslim was not killed by a bus but died of natural causes and was a sinful muslim at that, but in his last breath proclaimed the name of Jesus as Lord and Saviour sincerely confessed to God and meant it…God will forgive and forget all of his sins of his past and save him for his faith and welcome him with open arms into paradise :heaven:

this is the good thief on the cross who repented at the last moment of his life

His faith saved him also

God bless

mpjw

 

[mpjw2]

:bigyikes:

Where did you get that I said THAT???

This is what I said:
Ignorance: The CC teaches that there is no salvation outside the Church means that all Protestants are damned to hell.

what do you mean by the underlined?

 

[wcknight]

For those who want to follow Christ and follow the Bible, why don’t you listen to Him and believe Hiim when He tells you, “Unless you eat my Body and drink my Blood, you will have no life within you…my Body is true food and my Blood is true drink…”

Those who partake of the Body and Blood of Jesus will have life everlasting. Jesus meant this literally BECAUSE in the Holy Eucharist the bread and wine miraculously becomes the Body and Blood of Christ each and every time.

It is NOT a symbolic gesture that Jesus is telling you. Many of His disciples left Him because they could not accept that Jesus was not joking about this.

ANYONE (and everyone) who wants to have life everlasting should join the Catholic Church because only in the Catholic Church can a priest miraculously transform the bread and wine into the literal Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ in each and every holy celebration of the Mass.

Protestants don’t even believe this is true or even possible so how can they even attempt it. Read your Bibles again about what Jesus tells you about the Eucharist. He is not joking. IF He were joking or speaking figuratively, the disciples would not have abandoned Him, only the Apostles stayed because they knew Jesus to be God incarnate.

 

[guanophore]

guanaphore…

aren’t we walking a tightrope?

judging is judging

whether you judge a person or the words expressed…

you are still judging

and before you ask…I just judged…may God forgive me

The some of NT language for “judge” comes from the Gk. word “krit”. This is where we get our word “criterion”. We are to discern, and decide between (evaluate whether something meets a certiain criteria). this is what the Apostles meant when they direct us to “judge with right judgement”. We are to use right standards,a nd correct discernment.

The other use of the word “judge” comes from the concept of “condemn”. We are not to condemn others, or pronouce sentence upon them.

I can judge whether the contents of a post, whether or not it is consistent with the Teachings of the Apostles as preserved in the Catholic Church. I cannot evaluate the motives, or the status of the soul of the person posting it.

Similarly, I can judge by a persons’ behavior and attitude of they appear to be on the road that leads to salvation. I cannot judge whether or not they will arrive there, or the reasons they may not APPEAR to me to be on the road.

I think you are applying your discernment to the issue, you are exploring the criteria of the difference between condemning and evaluating behavior.

This would be a good topic for another thread.

 

[dougfreed]

if you masturbate you go to hell
if you look at porn you go to hell
if you have premarital sex you go to hell
if you use birth control in any form you go to hell
if you blaspheme you go to hell
Unless you get these sins forgiven by a valid priest you will go to hell.
Most people die and go to hell deal with it. Your only way to salvation in to be within the true Catholic Church and be in a state of grace(no mortal sins). Wake up and save yourself
(www.mostholyfamilymonistary.com)

So in reality what you are saying when Jesus spoke Matt 12:31-32 and other scripture he was just kidding?

Matt 12:31-32

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
KJV

Because of your traditions we are all going to hell, You make it sound like Jesus dieing and rising again was useless don’t you think.

Wasn’t Jesus the Ultimate VALID PRIEST, and the purest sacrifice so that we could have Grace? We are ALL sinners!

Regardless of what man may say God gave his only begotten son so that if I believe in him and confess Jesus is Lord and do my best I will get to see him one day…

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[guanophore]

My behavior has been great. I am Gods servant not tne Church’s Go:thumbsup::thumbsup:d Bless you always and Peace

This is another non-Catholic statement, Tweety. Jesus taught that if we are in Him, we are part and parcel of one another. A person who thinks they can serve God in separation from the Church has a deficient notion of the Church. We are members one of another, and any actions of one person affect all. This is clear in Paul’s great description of the Body of Christ in Corinthians.

Lack of recognition that we are to submit to our shepherds in the Church may indicate a spirit of rebellion.

Not only that, you have stated that you have been a teacher in the RCIA program, therefore you are a servant of the Church.

As a member of CAF, you might wish to consider serving the mission of CAF.

Misrepresenting the teaching of the Catholic Church, while claiming to be a Catholic, on a Catholic Forum, designed to provide Catholic answers is not a service to God either.

 

[guanophore]

1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men,but in the power of God.

I have no doubt that your faith is quite strong. You seem very passionate about your walk with God.

The Teaching of the Catholic Church, however, is not from men, but from God. Jesus Himself is the Source of the doctrine of the Catholic Church. That is why, when our beliefs are not consistent with it, we have become “separated” to a greater or lesser degree.

 

[tweetymom]

I have no doubt that your faith is quite strong. You seem very passionate about your walk with God.

The Teaching of the Catholic Church, however, is not from men, but from God. Jesus Himself is the Source of the doctrine of the Catholic Church. That is why, when our beliefs are not consistent with it, we have become “separated” to a greater or lesser degree.

My faith is very strong and so is my relationship with Christ. PEACE

 

[guanophore]

Yes you do have to be Catholic to go to heaven. If you want to become Catholic go to www.mostholyfamilymonistary.com. Lutherans go to hell so do jews and pagans and all outside the true Catholic Church.

No, William, this is an erroneous statement for several reasons. God can save whoever He wants, however He likes.

It is also inappropriate for you to pronoune who “goes to hell”. This is contrary to Catholic teaching, and is contradictory to productive discussion on the topic.

I suggest that you read your catechism, and amend your statements appropriately. If you are not going to give “Catholic Answers”, why would you want to be on a Catholic Answers forum, purporting to be Catholic?

And why would anyone want to go to the website you provided to become Catholic after you have misrpresented Cathlicism?

Honestly…

 

[guanophore]

The Word of God is very powerful and reading it is very important but reading it does not help you get to heaven. You are only saved through the Grace of God, not by what your actions are. Just to make that clear

This is one of the strangest posts I have ever read here. Howe can reading Scripture NOT help you get to heaven?

Faith unto salvation comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. It is that Word of God, in writing and spoken that enkindles the faith in us that must mix with the grace by which we are saved!

I have never even heard this kind of comment from Sola Gratia sources!

Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. There is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved.