do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

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For those who want to follow Christ and follow the Bible, why don’t you listen to Him and believe Hiim when He tells you, “Unless you eat my Body and drink my Blood, you will have no life within you…my Body is true food and my Blood is true drink…”

Those who partake of the Body and Blood of Jesus will have life everlasting. Jesus meant this literally BECAUSE in the Holy Eucharist the bread and wine miraculously becomes the Body and Blood of Christ each and every time.

It is NOT a symbolic gesture that Jesus is telling you. Many of His disciples left Him because they could not accept that Jesus was not joking about this.

ANYONE (and everyone) who wants to have life everlasting should join the Catholic Church because only in the Catholic Church can a priest miraculously transform the bread and wine into the literal Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ in each and every holy celebration of the Mass.

Protestants don’t even believe this is true or even possible so how can they even attempt it. Read your Bibles again about what Jesus tells you about the Eucharist. He is not joking. IF He were joking or speaking figuratively, the disciples would not have abandoned Him, only the Apostles stayed because they knew Jesus to be God incarnate.
This is a global statement that is, for the most part, inaccurate. Most liturgical Protestants (Lutheran, Episcopalian, and Anglican) do believe this.

Secondly, those that do not accept the Apostolic Teaching on the Real Presence actually understand the Scripture to be referring (in Jn. 6 ) to His Words, which are “Spirit and Life”. In the Reformed tradition,a nd the Evangelical offshoots, this means that the Scripture is that upon which we must eat and drink.

So you see, they do believe, they just believe the words have a different meaning!

This is under discussion in the Eucharistic Thread over in Apologetics, if anyone is interested. 👍
 
So in reality what you are saying when Jesus spoke Matt 12:31-32 and other scripture he was just kidding?

Matt 12:31-32

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
No, he did say that “unless you are forgiven…”.

Also, just as a side point, the scripture you cite here about “in this age, or the age to come” is understood to reference Purgatory.
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  Because of your traditions we are all going to hell, You make it sound like Jesus dieing and rising again was useless don't you think.
No one goes to hell because of human customs.

The fact that we need forgiveness for our sins is the whole purpose for Jesus dying and rising again. I guess am missing your point entirely.
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 Wasn't Jesus the Ultimate  **VALID PRIEST**, and the purest sacrifice so that we could have Grace? We are ALL sinners!
Regardless of what man may say God gave his only begotten son so that if I believe in him and confess Jesus is Lord and do my best I will get to see him one day…
Yesk, Jesus is our great high priest, and all who serve in the ministerial priesthood are taken up into His Holy Priesthood.

He is, indeed, both the priest, and the sacrifice.

However, confession to a priest is not “man made”. That is how Jesus set it up. That is why He gave the authority to the Apostles to forgive and remit sins.
 
You do not have to be catholic to get into heaven.

The bible tells us if you believe in your heart, and confess with your mouth that Jesus is the Lord and Savior of your life, and that God raised him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED. romans 10:9. there is no interpretation here.
Actually, we interpret everything that we read. Catholics interpret Scripture from the point of view of those who wrote it…

The confession of faith in Christ is a whole confession. that means that we accept all that He did and taught. The points that He is our Saviour, and that He died and rose are important, but they are not all of what is contained in the profession of faith. Such an approach makes for a very “thin” Christianity.
 
Yes you do have to be Catholic to go to heaven. If you want to become Catholic go to www.mostholyfamilymonistary.com. Lutherans go to hell so do jews and pagans and all outside the true Catholic Church.
***you don’t have to be officially a member of the Catholic Church to be saved… but if you reject the RCC when you know it is the true Church… that can be a different story… ***
 
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Where did you get that I said THAT??? :confused:

This is what I said:
Ignorance: The CC teaches that there is no salvation outside the Church means that all Protestants are damned to hell.

Again, that is an example of IGNORANCE. No one who is invincibly ignorant of the Faith is culpable for their IGNORANCE.
Well, technically speaking, we are all destined for perdition by virtue of original sin. We come into this world, separated from being in right relationship with God.

God gives sufficient grace to each human being to be able to come to the knowledge of the Truth. He desires that all be saved, and come to the knowledge of the Truth.

The CC teaches that there is no salvation outside the Church means that all Protestants are damned to hell.

This is an inaccurate statement. The Catholic Church does not teach this. Thus, the member who posted it was ignorant (lacking in knowlege) about the Catholic faith.
 
My faith is very strong and so is my relationship with Christ. PEACE
It is my hopeful prayer that your very strong faith and relationship with Christ will be expressed by accurately representing the faith of the One, Holy, and Apostolic Church He founded.
 
So in reality what you are saying when Jesus spoke Matt 12:31-32 and other scripture he was just kidding?
that poster wasn’t stating the Church’s position… or if he was it wasn’t explained well… There is no salvation outside the Church but the Church teaches that Christians ARE part of the Church, just not pefectly so… and also that it is “easier” to get into Heaven (and you get there sooner…) if you are part of the original Church, which has “things” others don’t… (understatemnt!!!) .

the problem is that beliefs like OSAS make it MUCH harder for a person to get to Heaven becaue people who belive in that often commit terrible sins and justify it with OSAS
 
***you don’t have to be officially a member of the Catholic Church to be saved… but if you reject the RCC when you know it is the true Church… that can be a different story… ***
This is a good point. I woudl say “visible” Church.

I would also note that teh One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is not “Roman”. The 22 non-Roman Rites of the East that are also in union with the Bishop of Rome are just as legitimately Catholic.
 
This is a good point. I woudl say “visible” Church.

I would also note that teh One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is not “Roman”. The 22 non-Roman Rites of the East that are also in union with the Bishop of Rome are just as legitimately Catholic.
i heard they are not in union w/ the pope… that they don’t believe in the pope… that he is infallible…

if they don’t believe that… they can’t really be Catholic… part of the Roman Church… which is the one Christ established…
 
This should have been part of your catechesis as a Catholic, mpjw, but, alas, it is the Church’s fault that you never received this message.
I don’t think it is right to blame the Church for this failure. That is like blaming Christ for the failure of Judas to “get it”. The Church is the Holy and infallible Bride of Christ.

mpjw definitely had very poor catechisis, as did several of us on this thread, including myself, Ron, Tweety, and her husband. This is the fault of the nuns, priests, bishops and catechists in charge of formation, as well as the parents of children in homes that did not represent the domestic church. In some of our cases, it is also the fault of us who, when we were confirmed in the faith, did not take upon ourselves the responsibility to learn our faith. Some of us left the Church because our faith was in an infantile state, and we were not getting the proper support to grown in faith. Personally, I was never introduced to Scripture reading until I encountered the Baptists,a nd being famished for the Word of God, I dove in head first, not realizing that I dove straight into some heresies.

mpjw seems to be purporting that she fully understands Catholic faith, but this is just not believable, especially given the type of questions being posed. Anyone who has read and understands the catechism would not have a need to ask these questions, since they are fully explained there.
 
i heard they are not in union w/ the pope… that they don’t believe in the pope… that he is infallible…

if they don’t believe that… they can’t really be Catholic… part of the Roman Church… which is the one Christ established…
This is a good reason not to believe everything you hear!

The reason they are called “Eastern Catholic” is because they are in union with the Bishop of Rome.

The Orthodox, who split from Rome in 1054, do not accept the teaching on the infallibility of the Pope.

The Catholic Church is not "Roman’. The Roman (Latin Rite) is only one of 23 Catholic
Rites in union with the Bishop of Rome.

Most Westerners are not even aware that there are Eastern Catholic Rites. Since the Latin Rite is most common in Europe and the US, this is understandible.
 
I don’t think it is right to blame the Church for this failure. That is like blaming Christ for the failure of Judas to “get it”. The Church is the Holy and infallible Bride of Christ.

This is the fault of the nuns, priests, bishops and catechists in charge of formation
Hi Guan,
Please explain what you mean by this. The nuns, priests and bishops are the Church. One of the duties of a bishop is to teach or at least to make known what is to be taught.
 
This is an inaccurate statement. The Catholic Church does not teach this. Thus, the member who posted it was ignorant (lacking in knowlege) about the Catholic faith.
It is becoming quite clear that I was not able to convey my argument cogently.

I am the member who posted that statement. However, I was *trying *to give an example of what IGNORANCE was–that is, **it is a false statement to say that the CC teaches that all Protestants are damned to hell when it professes “Outside the Church there is no salvation.” **That is FALSE. The CC does NOT teach that. But to SAY that this is what the CC teaches is to either be IGNORANT (that is, uninformed, un-discipled, un-tutored, un-educated) of what the CC professes, or to willfully malign the CC.
 
what do you mean by the underlined?
I mean that it is an example of a statement of ignorance. Someone who is ignorant does not know any better. Someone who is ignorant has not been taught the truth; they are ignorant of the facts.

The CC teaches that if you are invincibly ignorant…it’s not your fault.
 
No, William, this is an erroneous statement for several reasons. God can save whoever He wants, however He likes.

It is also inappropriate for you to pronoune who “goes to hell”. This is contrary to Catholic teaching, and is contradictory to productive discussion on the topic.

I suggest that you read your catechism, and amend your statements appropriately. If you are not going to give “Catholic Answers”, why would you want to be on a Catholic Answers forum, purporting to be Catholic?

And why would anyone want to go to the website you provided to become Catholic after you have misrpresented Cathlicism?

Honestly…:eek:
Once again guanophore, you condemn others as being ignorant of their faith, of not being Catholic enough to give their opinon, when in fact your own opinon on this matter is lacking and misleading. Rom 1:22 - for professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

The Church says: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. Why are you so confused about such a clear infallible statement? Could it be that you simply refuse to acept it?

And you accuse ME of thinking I’m a supreme authority! I only said what the Church teaches. You on the other hand only give fallible statements and ideas you got from who knows where. Please, this is called “Catholic Answers”. Please be considerate and let your own answers be “Catholic”. Outside the Church there is no salvation.
 
It is becoming quite clear that I was not able to convey my argument cogently.

I am the member who posted that statement. However, I was *trying *to give an example of what IGNORANCE was–that is, it is a false statement to say that the CC teaches that all Protestants are damned to hell when it professes “Outside the Church there is no salvation.” That is FALSE. The CC does NOT teach that. But to SAY that this is what the CC teaches is to either be IGNORANT (that is, uninformed, un-discipled, un-tutored, un-educated) of what the CC professes, or to willfully malign the CC.
Outside - that is, not inside. Overboard. Out in the cold…in the dark.

The Church - the body of Christ. The religion Christ started. The Catholic Church.

There is no salvation - Not going to heaven

Protestants: outside the Church: therefore, no salvation.

Simple.
 
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