and those unconscious motives are exactly what Christ died for.
she’s not Christian toward me…it may very well be guanaphore.
but the most christian post I ever read on these forums was from tweetymom in another thread
God bless you tweetymom
now that is refreshing
God bless you all
well, do you agree that just because you believe something (or not believe) does not, by itself make it so??
i have been Catholic and non-Catholic (mor/less)
i left the Church once for a short period of time because the priest was saying unChristian sounding things…
Sorry if I have not acted Christian towards you . I have never said that you did not have Jesus. And regardless I do have to be charitable towards youi. Oh by the way the shoe fits both feet, God Blessshe’s not Christian toward me…
but i guess i don’t have Jesus in me…
so she doesn’t have to be charitable to me…
Carlan;5768762 said:
hello again tweety, during your time teaching in the RCIA program, did you discuss the question of the title of this thread,"Do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven?’
I know these quotes from the Catechism have already mentioned. However i would like to know your thoughts and the thoughts of others on them.
838 The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter. ***osThe”who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.” With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.’
846 Also , Jesus himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door.
Hence they could not be saved who, ***knowing ******that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own , do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who,through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience–those too may achieve eternal salvation.Carlan
You can’t be saved either.
Yes, of course. But, it is because of the hidden motives of the heart, the Apostle teaches, that we do not presume to judge before the time.
I think this is a globalization that is not valid. There are many faithful Protestants that embrace suffering,and have a redemptive view of suffering. I realize there is a fragment of American Fundamentalist “name it, claim it” folks that think Jesus took all our suffering so that we don’t have to suffer, but that is a minority.
Exactly. So when you post this:
what criteria do you use to determine what truths MUST be believed about Jesus to be considered a Christian and what truths are ok to “agree to disagree”…since Scripture does not tell us.
sigh Again, mpjw…I do not judge myself, like St. Paul says. It is the Lord who judges me. I am not aware of anything against myself, but still I am not acquitted. 1 Cor 4
#2 unless you repent of your rebellion, I’d say yes,to theplace.
As to the last comment, I’d say Catholics as a whole,sure as He… ,
That saddens me, mpjw, but what you should have learned in your 35 years as a Catholic is that Jesus is your Beloved…He is more than a mere “best friend”. He is JOINED to you, ONE in the FLESH with you in the Eucharist. Closer to you than you are to your spouse, for the marital embrace merely POINTS to or is an icon of the TRUE UNION we have with Jesus in the Eucharist.
)OH thank you for that post PR.That saddens me, mpjw, but what you should have learned in your 35 years as a Catholic is that Jesus is your Beloved…He is more than a mere “best friend”. He is JOINED to you, ONE in the FLESH with you in the Eucharist. Closer to you than you are to your spouse, for the marital embrace merely POINTS to or is an icon of the TRUE UNION we have with Jesus in the Eucharist.
Imagine the relationship you have with your best friend (that is Protestantism); now imagine the intimacy you (ought to) have with your spouse. There is no comparing a friendship with a marriage. Catholicism is the marriage. Protestantism is the friendship.
Now, who wouldn’t want the same intimacy with Jesus that spouses share between themselves? That is only available through the CC, through the Eucharist. (Ok, through our Eastern Orthodox brethren, too!
CarlanI’d like to know what you or anyone else has to say about people like AChris of William who reject the authority of the current pope because they sincerely believe he is in error. Are they IN the Church or OUT? Are they in rebellion too ?Hi mpjw,answer #1 If they are aware of the Catholic faith and been throughly catechized, as I am sure you have been since you have told that you have a mother who is faithful to the Church, then I would say you left in rebellion.
#2 unless you repent of your rebellion, I’d say yes,to the
As to the last comment, I’d say Catholics as a whole,sure as He… ,
And I am saying that to you in love. Carlan
I say, mpjw2, that you don’t really know the RCC. You have no idea about the Eucharist, about Mary, about the sacraments, about the papacy.
And He is our Beloved, as well. The greatest saints–St. Teresa of Avila, St. John of the Cross, St. Therese of Lisieux all had relationships with Christ of such intimacy–Spousal relationships!Jesus we love you, you are our Friend , our brother , our Lord and Savior and we love you above all else Blessed Trinity.
If you believe in Apostolic succession, (and, as a Catholic, you ought to, ron!), then when Jesus says “he who rejects you, rejects Me”, then to reject Pope B16 is to reject Christ.
Ron, I have’nt read all their posts but if that is so about them, unless they repent of it, they are also in rebellion. In the End God is the judge of our rebellion, whether its mine, your’s Ron,or others in this forum.
Carlan