What can I say mpjw, Can’t figure why you came into Catholic answers, thought you might have been having second thoughts about where you are at. But I guess that’s no so,
Carlan.
Sin separates us from God. The nature of sin did not change because you prayed a sinners prayer.
We are definitely to judge behavior, and our own actions. Notice the Apostle says “I am not aware of anything against myself”. The nature of a mortal sin is that it is done with full knowledge and choice. One cannot mortally sin by accident or lack of intention. A person who can commit adultery and still believe he is in right relationship with God has been deceived. He may have his conscience seared as with a hot iron.
Since mortal sins are deliberate, it is not about “chance”. Such sins are willful and deliberate violations of the commandments of God. It is a way of denying Him, after which, as He said, He will deny us before the Father.
Well, we don’t know that. We do know, though, that one who deliberately chooses to do such a thing, as a dog returns to his vomit, is not in right relationship with God.
You are missing the point, mpjw2. A person faithful to Christ does not do such a thing.
you are wrong, and I will join you in your prayer that you will never fall from grace, but I pray even more that you will come to know the full Gospel from the Apsotles, so that you can be delivered from the deceit that sin does not matter.
I think if you are not willing to receive the Apostolic teaching on this matter, there is no one that will be able to “reason” with you. I think only the HS can open you eyes to the nature of mortal sin,a nd its effects on the soul.
Paul did not have doubts. Paul had confident hope. You have misunderstood his teaching about salvation. Catholic Teaching about salvation is not developed from anyone’s “emotions”. Even if I could agree that Paul is writing about his doubts, which I cannot, we do not derive doctrine from single scripture verses.
You are in the tradition of Apollos.
Absolutely.
You keep asking this, I guess you expect to get a different answer. You keep reframing the question, apparently in an effort to get Catholics to say you are destined for hell. It seems that you are trying to lead Catholics into sin. I wonder why it is important for you to try to get Catholics to engage in behavior they believe is a sin? Even if you dont’ think so, why would you want them to do something they believe is wrong?
Truth matters, mpjw2, whether God saves you or not. The Catholic Church does not teach that you must be Catholic in order to be saved. She teaches that no one is saved outside the Catholic Church. If you understood Catholicism, you would understand the difference.
You will accept any other answer, besides the one given by the Church as correct?
The eternal destiny of souls is not a matter of our personal “gut feelings” - fortunately.
Well, mpjw2, it is too bad that you are not willing to accept the teaching of the Apostles preserved in the Catholic Church on this matter. I am not sure why you seem so willing to accept any and every other answer, instead of the one Jesus gave, but this does seem to be the case.
You are separating things that do not need to be separated. there is no reason to separate the building of trust from the Truth.
I try not to engage in fear. It is contrary to love. Instead, I entrust your soul to a faithful creator. I have no doubt that you are sincere in your faith, and fervent, just like your patron Saint Apollos. I also believe you are here on CAF for a reason, and in the pursuit of it, you are learning about the Catholic faith.and if I do not , do you fear I might be headed for theplace?
If you are fully educated, yet refuse, then it is likely that your heart is in rebellion against God. these types of rebellion are usually more moral than theological.
In your case? I would speculate that you were afraid. It would be better for you not to know,than to know,a nd have to face the consequences.
We are taugth by the Apostles not to make judgment before the time (the Last Day) and that the judgement is up to the Lord.
You are right. Neither the bible, nor the “RCC” says that.
Scripture does say that you can’t know this.
Clearly not.
It is a shame that you were not participating in the life of the church in a state of grace, so that all these things would have had the benefit of enriching your spiritual life. What was it, do you think, that was in the way of your relationship with God?
You know, you could do something about this. You could rectify it, instead of posting falsehoods. It is truly embarrassing, especially coming from such a Yeoman as yourself.
Fortunately your beliefs are erroneous. All I can do is plead with you to overcome your ignorance and prejudice.
You are misinformed, distracted, and you sadden me. I expect this from most of those on the thread, but from faithful Catholics, it hurts even more. :crutches:
“nicely”? This represents a deficient and erroneous perception of church. It is not consistent with the Apsotolic Teaching.
Her religion comes from a truncated Bible. That is all she has left of the Apostolic Church.
It was filthy rags for her, because she was not in a state of grace. If she did participate in Eucharist, she did so in an unworthly manner. Her last state was much worse than the first.
Here’s another analogy, mpjw (actually, it’s from the CC, in case you don’t recognize it):
**Therein lies the answer to all your questions about whether the CC says you’re going to end up in Hell. **
Accepted!
you and others have said one of the things I was hoping I would not hear.
I am sure there is, thank you for the offer
no second thoughts and you are correct:thumbsup:
Thank you carlan,The Church loves you and wants you back. God bless you and g’night
wow good analogy PR but but but I Do Not Love the CC,
to that I made a comment which went unanswered,
let me substitute a pratical illustration…
Why did you hope you would not hear this?
Yes. Jesus taught that He is completly identified with His Body, the Church. There is no separation between them.
Yes. The teaching of the Church is the teaching of Christ. that is what makes it infallible.
No, neither would we! But since we know this is a deficient understanding of Church, this is not a problem for us. We know that the Church has as her Head Jesus, and her Soul is the HS, so the divine elements prevent her from error. When the “mortal men” depart from the divine elements, they separate themselves from the Teaching of Jesus. This is what happned during the Reformation, when clergy were acting in separation from the Holy Truth of God found in the TEaching of the Church.
It would not help much, since all other ecclesial communities are founded by men, not God. This is why they are all considered deficient. Only the one founded by Jesus is infallible.
We would all like to believe that we are “led by God”. However, to the extent that we don’t embrace his infallible teachings, we do not. For example, the notion that one can die in the act of a mortal sin and be saved is not consistent with what has been revealed to us by God.
Ahh. Well, that is a fruitless quest. Love does not rejoice in the wrong, but in right. Love does not concede to error, but loves the Truth. Love does not place warm fuzzies above what has been revealed by God to mankind. We are responsible to love the Truth, and all other love flows out of this. Love is not separate from embracing the Truth God has revealed about Himself to mankind (Sacred Tradition).
In that case I will guess that you found you preferred to have a warm fuzzy experience over the Truth. You may have found Tweety a pleasant exemption because she is willing to relinquish what God has revealed as True for a lovey dovey emotional experience of fleeting “togetherness”.hint…there was a very pleasant exemption in tweetymomCode:And what do you believe I found out to be the case?
There is no separation between the two. Jesus identifies Himself completely with the Church.
Not a bit! It is clear that your lack of understanding is the source of this.
There is only ONE Body, One Church. That is why all who are members of Christ are members of His ONE Body.
No, actually, what you have presented is what the Catholic Church teaches. You just are suffering from a deficient understanding of the nature of the church.
I guess you like Tweety’s method better? Just extend warm fuzzies, even if it means you ignore the Teaching of Jesus?
Hmmm. Apparently I am not “getting” what you have illustrated. You seem to want Catholics to depart from what we have recieved from the Apostles, so that we can be more receptive to persons who have departed from it.
I did answer you. I said that you are creating a false dichotomy. It is not necessary or appropriate to separate Love from Truth, It is not loving to confirm people in error.