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Hisalone
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Of course you would think so. However it is that plain.
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mpjw2
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thank you for your patience
she said this when the gospel was explained to her
you didn’t use my DQ example but lets go with what you given here
guanafore it is scary how close we are to what we believe is true
let me illustrate by your quote and change catholic church to bible and that will illustrate exactly how I as well as many more non catholic christians believe to be truth
The bible teaches that there is no salvation apart from Christ. Christ is inseparabely joined with His Holy Bride, the Church. All who are in Christ are members of His One Body, the Church.
church=christian church body of believers (catholics , baptist, protestants, evangeliticals, all christians) in Jesus
and thank you
I ask you the following not to try and change what you believe
can you see why I was finding it hard to grasp the catholic teaching about salvation outside the catholic church?
even though I am not catholic, you do believe I am christian right?
If you do then I hope you can see why I was having a hard time accept the CC teaches that my salvation might be in jeopardy if I do not come back to the CC.
I agree I walked away from the catholic church but I did not walk away from God and His christian church body of believers.
The one thief with Jesus is in heaven not because he was catholic but because he expressed his belief in Jesus and became a christian believer right before he died.
I have a scary feeling that you will disagree wit something.
remember, I am not asking you is this what you believe, because I know it is not.
you even stated to hisalone his description of church is deficient, which is the same thing as I changed your quote to mean based on hisalone and my belief
I am asking can you see why we have been posting the way we have been based on what we believe?
thank you again
God bless
complicated concept you say…oh my …you bring back memories when my wife said “it was so complicated to me, I can not believe it is this simple”
she said this when the gospel was explained to her
you didn’t use my DQ example but lets go with what you given here
guanafore it is scary how close we are to what we believe is true
let me illustrate by your quote and change catholic church to bible and that will illustrate exactly how I as well as many more non catholic christians believe to be truth
The bible teaches that there is no salvation apart from Christ. Christ is inseparabely joined with His Holy Bride, the Church. All who are in Christ are members of His One Body, the Church.
church=christian church body of believers (catholics , baptist, protestants, evangeliticals, all christians) in Jesus
it does
and thank youI ask you the following not to try and change what you believe
can you see why I was finding it hard to grasp the catholic teaching about salvation outside the catholic church?
even though I am not catholic, you do believe I am christian right?
If you do then I hope you can see why I was having a hard time accept the CC teaches that my salvation might be in jeopardy if I do not come back to the CC.
I agree I walked away from the catholic church but I did not walk away from God and His christian church body of believers.
The one thief with Jesus is in heaven not because he was catholic but because he expressed his belief in Jesus and became a christian believer right before he died.
I have a scary feeling that you will disagree wit something.
remember, I am not asking you is this what you believe, because I know it is not.
you even stated to hisalone his description of church is deficient, which is the same thing as I changed your quote to mean based on hisalone and my belief
I am asking can you see why we have been posting the way we have been based on what we believe?
thank you again
God bless
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guanophore
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It is only that “plain” if you ignore a lot of scripture, and the history of the Church.
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guanophore
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I dont find it scary at all! Christ wants unity in His Body.
let me illustrate by your quote and change catholic church to bible and that will illustrate exactly how I as well as many more non catholic christians believe to be truth
The reason that you find this in scripture is because it is Catholic Teaching. The Bible is a Catholic book. The NT was produced entirely out of Catholic Sacred Tradition. There is nothing in it that is not Catholic. That is why there is no conflict between what the Church teaches, and what is recorded in scripture.
While I accept that this is an accurate element of the description of Church, it is still highly deficient.
Yes, and yes.
I can understand that, but the injuction does not apply to you, since you really do not understand all the Catholic Churches teachings. You don’t even appear to be aware that the NT is a Catholic book!
I did the same thing. It took a long time to realize it was my misunderstandings and ignorance that was at work.
There is no difference between the two.
Yes. Absolutely.
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mpjw2
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thank you quanofore, i will add a few comments but I am falling asleep zzzzzzzzzzzzzzI dont find it scary at all! Christ wants unity in His Body.
let me illustrate by your quote and change catholic church to bible and that will illustrate exactly how I as well as many more non catholic christians believe to be truth
The reason that you find this in scripture is because it is Catholic Teaching. The Bible is a Catholic book. The NT was produced entirely out of Catholic Sacred Tradition. There is nothing in it that is not Catholic. That is why there is no conflict between what the Church teaches, and what is recorded in scripture.
While I accept that this is an accurate element of the description of Church, it is still highly deficient.
Yes, and yes.
I can understand that, but the injuction does not apply to you, since you really do not understand all the Catholic Churches teachings. You don’t even appear to be aware that the NT is a Catholic book!
I did the same thing. It took a long time to realize it was my misunderstandings and ignorance that was at work.
There is no difference between the two.
Yes. Absolutely.
It is a blessing to feel at least we are understanding each other better
I have one question though…
Is it a problem to be too much loving on this forum?
reason I ask, I noticed tweetymom was banned
. any thoughts?good night
God bless
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ron77nyc
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I see what you’re saying.
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mpjw2
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and you are saying in a nut shell…I see what you’re saying.
Attn: all non-catholic catholic christian…
those of you like, hisalone and mpjw, who believe Jesus’ church is not only the Catholic church as we believe,
but
the church is Jesus’ church body which includes ALL christians (catholics, baptists, protestants etc) who are believers in Jesus Christ…
your belief is deficient.
Out of the kindness and love of our hearts we present this truth to you.
Since we believe Jesus one true church is the catholic church you will have the best chance of salvation by coming home to the church Jesus founded and receive the sacraments and the fullness of truth.
we love you all and will keep you in our prayers and want to let you know you are always welcomed
Did I get it right this time?
thank you ang God bless
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ron77nyc
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I was only agreeing to the concept of being helped by someone who has not been similarly afflicted.
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mpjw2
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Ron i realized…sorry
I left that acknowledgement outhowever, is my last post accurate on what the CC teaches?
if not please make corrections
thank you
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ron77nyc
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It seems OK to me but I’m not an expert on what the Church teaches. I’ve been called a heretic, false representative, cafeteria catholic, ignorant, etc. and according to canon law I’m not going to heaven either.Ron i realized…sorry
however, is my last post accurate on what the CC teaches?
if not please make corrections
thank you
mpjw
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stevusmagnus
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Really? And what private revelation told you this, because the Church has never taught that this. In fact the Church has condemned as error that there is good hope for the salvation of non-Catholics.
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stevusmagnus
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The Catechism nowhere says there are athiests, druids, wiccans, etc in Heaven.According to the catechism of the catholic church - that is the correct answer.
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distracted
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she wasn’t loving to me…thank you quanofore, i will add a few comments but I am falling asleep zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
It is a blessing to feel at least we are understanding each other better
I have one question though…
Is it a problem to be too much loving on this forum?
reason I ask, I noticed tweetymom was banned
good night
God bless
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distracted
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then you’re the one to ask this question i have:Indeed.
I admire greatly men like St. Augustine, Fr. Corapi, Fr. Don Calloway who had dramatic conversion stories.
I’m just saying that one needed live on the other side of the tracks to be relevant.
i think it was @ Atheists.com that i heard this poster say that Augustine was a bad person who shouldnt have been canonized (paraphrase)… because he ditched a women he’d had a child with… then was supposed to marry someone his mother wanted him to marry but she was only 13… so he had to wait or something…
but anyway… the poster said that he shouldn’t have been held in such regard because he shirked his responsibility to his child…i was kinda wondering about that same thing even b4 i went to that site…
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mpjw2
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I agree with you that we will not meet an atheist, wiccan, druid, muslim, hindu, buddhist etc in heaven
but,
ONLY by the grace of God, had any of these people found faith in Jesus Christ upto and including that moment before they died, confessed and repented, we will meet them in heaven, not as their former self, but as a christian believer in Jesus, their past sins having been forgiven and forgotten by the blood of Jesus Christ
God bless
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wcknight
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There have been a lot of rogues who eventually became saints. The key is they reformed their lives and repented.
Luckily for a lot of folks, it is what you are like towards the end of your life that matters most.
Luckily for a lot of folks, it is what you are like towards the end of your life that matters most.
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Janet1983
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They do not disagree on the main statements of faith however…
If you would go ahead and have a church vote on the color of the piano it would split the church…
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Janet1983
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Seems to me that according to the CC the CC is the one true church Jesus Christ founded and that one has to be part of her to get saved. If one however has not the full knowledge of the “truth” of the CC (and who has that please?) then it does not matter because just being a sincere believer in anything is enough to get one into heaven… The one true church thereby declares it is the one true church but there is salvation outside of her if you lack knowledge making everything else that’s on the market true too…
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chosen_people
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If you prick a Catholic does he not bleed?
In the story of Yonah (Jonah) the prophet Yonah is sent to warn a pagan city and in the story it is a pagan city that God redeems.
Should the Catholic be denied the world to come because he has not reached the point where he is able to conceive of God without giving Him a human form and because he tries to depict Him in statues and pictures? Should the Catholic be denied the world to come because he has not reached a point where he is able to grasp Torah?
We are all God’s children. We are all equally precious in His eyes. Christians too get to go to the world to come. The only caveat being that if they start social clubs they cannot refuse Jewish applicants for membership on the basis of religion.
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mpjw2
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interesting Janet, I was thinking that way but I see you are better than me using words,…thank you
to this catholics say…
i am afraid …
the church teaches we are not to judge may be one of the answers…
we wait and see…
God bless you Janet
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