Do you think the US should invade Iran?

[Fitz]

TPJCatholic:

FITZ,
However, no country in the world (in recent times) has slaughtered 45,000,000 people and called it choice! While I am no advocate of violence of anykind, I do feel we need to clean our own house before we proceed to force other countries to clean their’s.

I am not one that knows how many abortions are done in each country but I know they happen with frequency in other European countries also. In fact women in the US used to have abortions in Europe before they were legal here. However, I would never put
RIGHT TO LIFE ON THE BACK BURNER . I agree that we need to fight for life whenever we can. I know I pray and I sign petitions, and vote life. Howeve, I should do more I know.

Yet I think that may take years more to overturn Roe v Wade. Meanwhile, what about the young population of Iran that is apparently being brutalized and held down by it’s own government? What about all those future western haters? Sorry to put it that way, but they think we don’t care about them and that we only care about ourlelves.

So, either we are islationists and just protect our freedoms and go about our way and send money when needed that never really gets to the people that really need it. Or, we must respond when people show they are willing to rise up. Can we really do any less?

And at the same time we NEED to keep fighting for life here at home. I am afraid we can’t wait until one is done to do the other. We need to do both. Thanks for listening.

 

[aimee]

Fitz:

I am not one that knows how many abortions are done in each country but I know they happen with frequency in other European countries also. In fact women in the US used to have abortions in Europe before they were legal here. However, I would never put
RIGHT TO LIFE ON THE BACK BURNER . I agree that we need to fight for life whenever we can. I know I pray and I sign petitions, and vote life. Howeve, I should do more I know.

Yet I think that may take years more to overturn Roe v Wade. Meanwhile, what about the young population of Iran that is apparently being brutalized and held down by it’s own government? What about all those future western haters? Sorry to put it that way, but they think we don’t care about them and that we only care about ourlelves.

So, either we are islationists and just protect our freedoms and go about our way and send money when needed that never really gets to the people that really need it. Or, we must respond when people show they are willing to rise up. Can we really do any less?

And at the same time we NEED to keep fighting for life here at home. I am afraid we can’t wait until one is done to do the other. We need to do both. Thanks for listening.

Hi Fitz…very good post…I do agree.

 

[TPJCatholic]

fitz,

The problem is we have very little credibility as a nation. We will have a great deal of trouble convincing any nations to help us with Iran (other then the Iranians themselves), so we’ll end-up doing it alone (this time truly alone, unlike Iraq where we had many nations with us). One of the reasons we cannot gather support is because many nations just plain do not like us…they see us as being hypocritical. We talk about the moral need to help with places like Iran, yet our own nation is a cesspool (rampant materialism, pornography, homosexual agendas, abortion, fornication, divorce, etc…). The United States is FAR from being a shining example on the hill that Christ calls us to be…and imo, we must regain moral credibility if we want the world to follow.

Bush should be perfectly willing to give-up his office in order to save the unborn…so should every Christian. However, right now Bush is more interested in fighting terror, and in reforming social security and taxes. Yet, in 2006 the dems will have an awful lot of ammnunition to throw at the repubs because of Bush’s agenda…they will make great strides when it comes to Bush “threatening” social security, etc…the repubs are not likely to gain any more seats in either house of congress, and they might very well lose seats…which means the time to do something about these matters is NOW–not later. Everyday when we go to bed, 4,000 Americans have been murdered through abortion–everyday!

Bush has the bullypulpit and he should use it for the good in all areas, not just the war zones he is choosing. He is OUR servant, he is a servant of the people–he is not supposed to be a servant to the war makers.

Blessed be the peacemakers!

 

[Fitz]

TPJCatholic:

fitz,

The problem is we have very little credibility as a nation. We will have a great deal of trouble convincing any nations to help us with Iran (other then the Iranians themselves), so we’ll end-up doing it alone (this time truly alone, unlike Iraq where we had many nations with us).

I would hope that if 70% of the Iranians cry out for help that others would support that. I think the credibility of France, Germany, and Russia is more suspect than ours, thank you!

TPJCatholic:

One of the reasons we cannot gather support is because many nations just plain do not like us…they see us as being hypocritical. We talk about the moral need to help with places like Iran, yet our own nation is a cesspool (rampant materialism, pornography, homosexual agendas, abortion, fornication, divorce, etc…). The United States is FAR from being a shining example on the hill that Christ calls us to be…and imo, we must regain moral credibility if we want the world to follow.

I don’t agree with you. I think it is dollars that they don’t want to spend. They have plenty of materialism, and pornography, etc. We did not invent the evils of the secular world. Just read the bible to know that. I think the world needs to work together on this because the terrorists don’t care which westerner they kill. In a crowd they can’t tell Americans from any other nationality. There were many foreingers in the World Trade Center… I really resent your looking at those others countries as blameless. What are you thinking, that they go to Church in Italy, or France, or Germany? They have always led the way in liberal thinking in Europe- including things like pornography!

TPJCatholic:

Bush should be perfectly willing to give-up his office in order to save the unborn…so should every Christian. However, right now Bush is more interested in fighting terror, and in reforming social security and taxes.

I will have to agree that we should all do what we can. Bush is doing more than previous administrations. He is even doing more than some parish priests (sad to say). However, he has to be very concerned about terrorism right now. I will go back to waht I said earlier. We have to fight for life on more than one front. I dont’ relaly think we disagree, but we differ in our opinion of the president. I respect what he is doing, and I pray he achieves in the advancement of pro life issues and in the spread of democracy.

TPJCatholic:

Blessed be the peacemakers

I could never argue with this.

 

[wabrams]

Invade Iran?? With what? Out military is stretched thin between Iraq, Afghanistan, and our other commitments overseas. Yeah, we could do a blitzkrieg like we did in Iraq, but with no troops behind the main body to secure anything. That would leave us with a nice little guerilla war to contend with.

Invading Iran would break the military’s back, inaddition to the US’s bank.

 

[Kevin_Walker]

FightingFat:

So by your logic, Britain should invade the US?

Wow, is that a non sequitur and a half!

When has Britain monetarily financed terrorism against the U.S. in the past decade?

Syria, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan have all sponsored terrorist attacks against the U.S., from the bombing of two American Embassies in Africa, the USS Stark, to the Lockerbie Flight then finally the second attack against the twin towers.

It is the necessity of *Realpolitik *that mandates a response, or else the government would be guilty of criminal neglect.

 

[Fitz]

FYI to all who are interested I would like to make this announcement:
Drew Mariani is on Relevant Radio right now, go on the internet to find it if they don’t broadcast in your state. He is having a pro life show and he just said, he thinks we will overturn Roe v. Wade.
Norma is talking now.
www.relevantradio.com

They have a listen live icon on the top of the page. It is a great station.

 

[Pinklady]

Let’s get the Israelis to do it. Everyone hates them anyway.

 

[bogantw]

All,

I know that there has been a lot of discussion on this by looking at the numbers of posts, but I have some questions myself.

What has Iran done to justify a US invasion?

Does this injustice meet, or agree with out inherent religous belief to impose War on another Country.

Do not make hasty decisions about War, it is something to be contemplated, thought about, and for Politicians to avoid that we elect if possible. If anything, remember life is priceless, and in War people die on both sides.

Of course if they do meet the requirements according to our Mother Church, I say “Let’s get them to!”

US Marine in Iraq

 

[aimee]

Pinklady:

Let’s get the Israelis to do it. Everyone hates them anyway.

I would sugest you do some praying about your issues…

 

[DeniseR]

The US has no reason to invade Iran. The reason we went into Iraq is because Saddam refused to cooperate with the terms the US and allied forces together with the UN imposed on him after we chased him back out of Kuwait. It was unfinished business. He did not cooperate with inspectors and made the world believe he was close to nuclear weapons capabilities as well as possessing WMD.

Lebanon’s Momahr Qdafay has publically given up his nuclear weapons programs after we ousted Saddam. It’s not going to be a smooth ride in the middle east for quite some time but as long as we continue to elect people like President Bush to lead us we are safer from terrorists. We cannot let our guard down.

 

[Kevin_Walker]

DeniseR:

The US has no reason to invade Iran. The reason we went into Iraq is because Saddam refused to cooperate with the terms the US and allied forces together with the UN imposed on him after we chased him back out of Kuwait. It was unfinished business. He did not cooperate with inspectors and made the world believe he was close to nuclear weapons capabilities as well as possessing WMD.

Lebanon’s Momahr Qdafay has publically given up his nuclear weapons programs after we ousted Saddam. It’s not going to be a smooth ride in the middle east for quite some time but as long as we continue to elect people like President Bush to lead us we are safer from terrorists. We cannot let our guard down.

Hi DeniseR,

I like this post, except it needs more information.

Saddam Hussein is documented in cooperating fully with al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden under the Clinton Administration.

In a Washington Post 1998 article by Roland Scarbough, the cooperation between Hussein and bin Laden was found by former President Clinton’s secretary of state, Cohen, that “…, al-Qaida will work cooperatively with the government of Iraq.”

The Clinton administration found a clear connection between al-Qaida and the government of Iraq as early as 1998 and did basically nothing about it.

For other sources about this tie-in, please read:

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1165515/posts

newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/11/154020.shtml

Terrorists have attacked United States personnel and property several times over the past ten years, and these terrorists were monetarily funded by sponsor states, which includes Iran.

There is no way we cannot attack Iran and believe they will no longer fund terrorists after already providing the means for terrorists to kill Americans. Any cooperation from Iran is simply a delaying tactic, Iran has no intention of not funding our enemies.

I agree that President Bush has made the world safer from terrorists, but I don’t believe Iraq was attacked for its oil, or from unfinished business; Iraq was attacked because there is documentation that Iraq was closely helping al-Qaida.

 

[Island_Oak]

Sure…if you can answer this: us…and what army!? Ours is already stretched to the breaking point. Hear the latest request for another $80 BILLION$ to continue the mess we’re already up to our ears in over in Iraq and Afghanistan? Anyone eager to see the draft reinstated so we can send our fathers, mothers, sons and daughters to be maimed or killed all in the hope of “educating” a couple million Muslims, who hate our guts, about how great democracy is? Where is the limit to our arrogance, resources, patience and interest in trying to save the rest of the world from itself–or–when do we stop believing the fantasy that we make “friends” in this world or keep ourselves safe by invading and bombing people where they live?

 

[jlw]

My view is this: No

 

[Kevin_Walker]

Island Oak:

Sure…if you can answer this: us…and what army!? Ours is already stretched to the breaking point. Hear the latest request for another $80 BILLION$ to continue the mess we’re already up to our ears in over in Iraq and Afghanistan? Anyone eager to see the draft reinstated so we can send our fathers, mothers, sons and daughters to be maimed or killed all in the hope of “educating” a couple million Muslims, who hate our guts, about how great democracy is? Where is the limit to our arrogance, resources, patience and interest in trying to save the rest of the world from itself–or–when do we stop believing the fantasy that we make “friends” in this world or keep ourselves safe by invading and bombing people where they live?

Please read posts #4; #66; and #72.

 

[Mike_Olson]

Kevin Walker:

Hi DeniseR,

I like this post, except it needs more information.

Saddam Hussein is documented in cooperating fully with al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden under the Clinton Administration.

In a Washington Post 1998 article by Roland Scarbough, the cooperation between Hussein and bin Laden was found by former President Clinton’s secretary of state, Cohen, that “…, al-Qaida will work cooperatively with the government of Iraq.”

The Clinton administration found a clear connection between al-Qaida and the government of Iraq as early as 1998 and did basically nothing about it.

For other sources about this tie-in, please read:

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1165515/posts

newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/11/154020.shtml

Terrorists have attacked United States personnel and property several times over the past ten years, and these terrorists were monetarily funded by sponsor states, which includes Iran.

There is no way we cannot attack Iran and believe they will no longer fund terrorists after already providing the means for terrorists to kill Americans. Any cooperation from Iran is simply a delaying tactic, Iran has no intention of not funding our enemies.

I agree that President Bush has made the world safer from terrorists, but I don’t believe Iraq was attacked for its oil, or from unfinished business; Iraq was attacked because there is documentation that Iraq was closely helping al-Qaida.

I really don’t want to ruffle feathers and I do support our troops, I think we should give them all they need to finish up in Afganistan and Iraq. I don’t believe though that our intelligence ( CIA ) did the greatest job justifing the war and what is to say that the intelligence that the Clinton administration was any better? Isn’t this why the Pentagon is starting it own intel branch?

 

[maggiec]

bogantw:

All,

I know that there has been a lot of discussion on this by looking at the numbers of posts, but I have some questions myself.

What has Iran done to justify a US invasion?

Does this injustice meet, or agree with out inherent religous belief to impose War on another Country.

Do not make hasty decisions about War, it is something to be contemplated, thought about, and for Politicians to avoid that we elect if possible. If anything, remember life is priceless, and in War people die on both sides.

Of course if they do meet the requirements according to our Mother Church, I say “Let’s get them to!”

US Marine in Iraq

Dear US Marine in Iraq.
God bless you for your service. My son in law just came back from working with some of you fine marines. He is in the Air Force and will be on his way back soon. ( My daughter is also Air Force in tech school at Shepard.) Before Pres Bush was re elected it was said by some of the higher ups that Iran was part of the axis of evil and the way he talked we felt we would be going there too. I don’t know that we need to extend ourselves more than we have already. All we can do is pray, and we will continue to pray for all our soldiers.
maggiec

 

[FightingFat]

Kevin Walker:

I agree that President Bush has made the world safer from terrorists, but I don’t believe Iraq was attacked for its oil, or from unfinished business; Iraq was attacked because there is documentation that Iraq was closely helping al-Qaida.

Then I believe you are gravely mistaken Kevin! I love this scratching around for justification thing, ignoring the obvious and Americas part in the history before the conflict.

How to justify a war eh?..You just can’t :nope:

 

[Kevin_Walker]

FightingFat:

Then I believe you are gravely mistaken Kevin! I love this scratching around for justification thing, ignoring the obvious and Americas part in the history before the conflict.

How to justify a war eh?..You just can’t :nope:

Yes there is such a thing as a “Just War”. And I love the way liberals go into denial when hard evidence and facts are presented to them. The U.S. should invade Iran, and then Syria after that! :yup:

 

[miguel]

wabrams:

Invade Iran?? With what? Out military is stretched thin between Iraq, Afghanistan, and our other commitments overseas. Yeah, we could do a blitzkrieg like we did in Iraq, but with no troops behind the main body to secure anything. That would leave us with a nice little guerilla war to contend with.

Invading Iran would break the military’s back, inaddition to the US’s bank.

Finally a little conservative perspective in this thread.