Do you think the US should invade Iran?

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DeniseR:
The US has no reason to invade Iran. The reason we went into Iraq is because Saddam refused to cooperate with the terms the US and allied forces together with the UN imposed on him after we chased him back out of Kuwait. It was unfinished business. He did not cooperate with inspectors and made the world believe he was close to nuclear weapons capabilities as well as possessing WMD.

Lebanon’s Momahr Qdafay has publically given up his nuclear weapons programs after we ousted Saddam. It’s not going to be a smooth ride in the middle east for quite some time but as long as we continue to elect people like President Bush to lead us we are safer from terrorists. We cannot let our guard down.
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If we citizens had kept our guard up and asked a few more questions, we wouldn’t have invaded Iraq, either. We wouldn’t have our national guard over there instead of here where it belongs, and we wouldn’t be sucking our economy dry. We maybe might have justed waited a little longer and found out what the truth was. This “not a smooth ride” talk is not what we were hearing before we went in. This “liberate Iraq” talk was not the reason we were given. Before we went in, it wasn’t about liberty and freedom, it was about safety. Now that we have, on the whole, compromised our safety instead of enhancing it, we’re slapping ourselves on the head and saying, “Oh, yeah…There’s no exchange counter on this sale! Well, gee, the box was mislabelled, what have we bought, anyway?”

You couldn’t be more right about “unfinished business.” THAT is why we chose to commit our military to Iraq, of all the evil, dangerous regimes in the world. THAT is why we have hamstrung our ability to respond to greater threats.

I want someone at the White House to be held accountable for this 1984-like ever-changing account we’re getting. I want someone to be held accountable for our loss of standing as a moral force and example in the realm of human rights. I am sick of “if the light is yellow, hit the gas” ethics. Wasn’t that what everybody yelled about Clinton? Why aren’t we holding Bush’s feet to the flames on this? I am getting sick of seeing the deficits go up and our flags at half mast and nobody stepping up and admitting what part they had in selling us this bill of goods. I want to see this administration to have the common decency to refrain from hanging medals around the necks of those in intelligence after this bazillion dollar gaffe.

It stinks, and we shouldn’t just sit down and get used to the smell.
 
Kevin Walker:
Wow, is that a non sequitur and a half!

When has Britain monetarily financed terrorism against the U.S. in the past decade?

Syria, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan have all sponsored terrorist attacks against the U.S., from the bombing of two American Embassies in Africa, the USS Stark, to the Lockerbie Flight then finally the second attack against the twin towers.

It is the necessity of *Realpolitik *that mandates a response, or else the government would be guilty of criminal neglect.
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Did you claim to be *Realpolitik or a lunatic? *
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Just so I’m reading you right…we need to invade: Syria, North Korea and Iran? Haven’t you forgotten the radical Muslims in the Phillipines, North and East Africa–and immigrants from those countries now settled in large numbers throughout Europe–esp. France and Germany? How about the communist regime in Cuba? The radical leftists throughout central and south America?! What about the Palestinians, Lebanese, Jordanians still furious with us over our support of Israel?!

I have yet to read your plan to fund or staff this invasion spectacular. Please enlighten us.
 
Kevin Walker:
Yes there is such a thing as a “Just War”. And I love the way liberals go into denial when hard evidence and facts are presented to them. The U.S. should invade Iran, and then Syria after that! :yup:
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yup,yup, let be warmongers, lets forget Jesus teaching, lets follow Bush to our destruction. I’m sure the 31 marines that parished on the helecopter today would agree with your point of view.
God preserve us from so called partiotic americans who haven’t the slightest clue what their talking about.
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maggiec:
yup,yup, let be warmongers, lets forget Jesus teaching, lets follow Bush to our destruction. I’m sure the 31 marines that parished on the helecopter today would agree with your point of view.
God preserve us from so called partiotic americans who haven’t the slightest clue what their talking about.
maggiec
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Romans 13:4:
"For rulers are not a cause of fear to good conduct, but to evil. Do you wish to have no fear of authority? Then do what is good and you will receive approval from it, for it is a servant of God for your good. But if you do evil, be afraid, for it does not bear the sword without purpose; it is the servant of God to inflict wrath on the evildoer.”
 
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gilliam:
Romans 13:4:
"For rulers are not a cause of fear to good conduct, but to evil. Do you wish to have no fear of authority? Then do what is good and you will receive approval from it, for it is a servant of God for your good. But if you do evil, be afraid, for it does not bear the sword without purpose; it is the servant of God to inflict wrath on the evildoer.”
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gilliam, my friend, Authority with moral control is nothing to fear, its the other I am worried about. Before the election everyone said we would never go to Iran, I tried to enlighten my friends and foes about hiding behind the thin veil of controlled power. I see nothing controlled about the present government in this country. My son in law came back from Iraq Dec 17 and is leaving again the end of Feb. to go back. This makes his 4th deployment and my family is on a roller coster ride that doesn’t seem to end.
I will pray for you as you go to Bagdad.
maggiec
 
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maggiec:
God preserve us from so called partiotic americans who haven’t the slightest clue what their talking about.
maggiec
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And hopefully may He protect us from the upatriotic Americans who don’t know what they’re talking about either.
 
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HagiaSophia:
And hopefully may He protect us from the upatriotic Americans who don’t know what they’re talking about either.
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You know, it’s so dissapointing to see you attacking someone on a personal level because they have a different opinion to you about an issue as divisive as war.
Of course some people are going to disagree with it. Are they not allowed? Are you not still Americans? Are we not all Catholics? Can we not discuss these things with each other without having to name call?

You honestly believe it is right, good for you! I personally am astounded you can reconcile a pre-emptive war with your faith. Have you ever heard of no first strike in karate? If someone started a fight with me, would I wait for him to attack, then defend myself. Or should I attack him on the basis he looks dangerous?
 
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HagiaSophia:
And hopefully may He protect us from the upatriotic Americans who don’t know what they’re talking about either.
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Oh, c’mon guys! If the Lord was going to protect the Church from those who talk even though they don’t always know what they’re talking about, He’d have raptured the forum and left the likes of us behind! 😉
 
The Iranian people HATE their government, BUT if the US were to invade Iran you can bet that they’d rally around their government and redirect that hatred towards us. An invasion of Iran would be a horrible mistake. Let’s just stay out and work with the international community in controlling and keeping an eye on their nuke program.
 
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Peacemonger:
The Iranian people HATE their government, BUT if the US were to invade Iran you can bet that they’d rally around their government and redirect that hatred towards us. An invasion of Iran would be a horrible mistake. Let’s just stay out and work with the international community in controlling and keeping an eye on their nuke program.
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:eek: I am in complete agreement with you,Peace;) God Bless
 
Kevin Walker:
Yes there is such a thing as a “Just War”. And I love the way liberals go into denial when hard evidence and facts are presented to them. The U.S. should invade Iran, and then Syria after that! :yup:
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Actually, what’s really funny (sad) is the way conservatives have their “Just War” rubber stamp in hand ready to anoint any war America is involved in as just, holy… the work of God himself.
 
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TPJCatholic:
Brad,

There is a valid point to be made regarding abortion. We murder (legally) unborn babies at a rate of 4,000 per day in the United States alone…we have allowed the slaughter of some 45,000,000 people over the last 31 years and counting…that is nearly the entire population of Iran! We turn a blind-eye towards the holocaust that goes on in our own backyard, while we look around the globe trying to force our sense of “right and wrong” about other nations. Yet, neither Iraq, nor Iran, is guilty of 45,000,000 murders over 31 years. I think we would do ourselves much good if we turned our self righteousness towards our own nation.
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This is too oversimplified. Let’s just say that the majority (not all) of the Iraq war supporters are also opposed to abortion.

Abortion is a terrible stain on the nation and it must be stopped. Simply because there are leaders in the United States that oppose the illegalization of abortion and support abortion as a choice (rather than work to give them better choices) does not mean that the rest of the nation should curl up in a fetal position ourselves whenever faced with the potential for mass extertermination of peoples.

Never doing anything right because you do some things wrong would result in exactly nobody ever doing anything right.

Fight abortion. Fight wicked and cruel dictators.
 
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miguel:
Exactly. Take the beam out of your own eye. Then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your neighbor’s.
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This argument makes little or no sense, especially as it pertains to countries.

If you want to quote Jesus, Jesus told the Apostle to go and preach to all the nations, telling them the good news, including defining what is right and wrong - DESPITE the fact that they were sinners and would continue to sin.

Regarding nations, your argument would have precluded the United States from stopping Hitler because there were laws that enforced segregationist policies.
 
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TPJCatholic:
FITZ,

Supposedly 70% of Iranian citizens support the United States efforts to oust tyrants in their region, including their own country. They have a highly favorable view of the west because they want to have similar freedoms. You are quite correct when you say the Iranian government does not like the United States, they have been an enemy of ours for many years…they started the era of terrorism when they took our people hostage in 1979 (year ?). I disagree that it is inappropriate to discuss this topic along with abortion–we go about conducting out own form of terrorism everyday, we call it legal and we call it personal choice, so we like to think of ourselves as being high and mighty. However, no country in the world (in recent times) has slaughtered 45,000,000 people and called it choice! While I am no advocate of violence of anykind, I do feel we need to clean our own house before we proceed to force other countries to clean their’s. It is certainly worth the effort to help the Iranian citizens in any way we can, it is certainly worth while to “take out” any authenticated nuclear sites Iran has…yet invasion should not be an option.
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Sometimes you have to demonstrate how precious freedom really is in order to persuade more to believe it is worth fighting to protect it for everyone.

Are you saying the US government should not do anything good as long as abortion continues? Should we not have helped the Tsunami victims?

Would the people in Iraq that lost their families or were tortured themselves agree with this stragegy?
 
THE BAD NEWS…

Today a C-130 Hercules crashed in Iraq. According to witnesses, the wreckage was spread out over a wide area. Anyone familiar with aircraft accidents will confirm that this indicates that the aircraft came apart high in the air, not on impact with the ground. A week ago, a helicopter crashed in Iraq, killing 31 people. Officially blamed on the weather, reports from the crash site indicate the wreckage covered 2 square kilometers. Again, this strongly suggests that the helicopter came apart high in the air. The Baghdad meteorological office confirms that the weather was clear with only moderate winds and no sandstorms at the time of the crash.

The bad news is that the Iraqi people have gained the ability to shoot down our aircraft. The US, having lost control of the use of the roads in Iraq, resorted (as they did in Veitnam) to trying to run the war from the air. The folly of that approach was demonstrated in Afghanistan when the Mujahideen learned how to kill the helicopters the Russians relied on. And now it is happening again.

That’s the bad news.

There is more bad news.

There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Both the United Nations’ inspections under Scott Ritter and the subsequent United States search under Charles Duelfer confirmed that Saddam Hussein was actually in compliance with United Nations’ demands to destroy the weapons he had possessed prior to Desert Storm. The remains of the destroyed weapons were documented. They did not go anywhere. They didn’t exist. The inspectors found rotted and corroded remains dating back to the Iran/Iraq war. When inspectors visited the remains of Iraq’s reactor that had been bombed by Israel, instead of a revived weapons program they found the building being used to grow mushrooms. Common sense tells you that if Saddam really had weapons of mass destruction, he would have used them to halt the US invasion. That is, after all, what weapons of mass destruction exist for. Common sense will also tell you that if the US really HAD thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, they likely would not have invaded in the first place.

Iraq has not been supporting “Al Qaeda”. The CIA has concluded that not only is there no evidence to support such a claim, but that Saddam and Al Qaeda were actually enemies. Al Qaeda’s avowed purpose is theocratic rule, and Saddam’s government was a secular one. Had Saddam actually armed Al Qaeda, he would have found himself as their first target.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. Nobody has found any evidence to support that claim.

According to people who have been jailed by both Saddam and the US, the US torturers are much, MUCH worse.

The United States has killed more civilians in Iraq than died in 9-11.

And while we are at it, Iran actually gassed the Kurds, according to a study by the US Army War College.

That is the truth. Deal with it.

Bush continues to insist that the war in Iraq was justified, even as every single justification for that war has fallen into dust. Personally, I would like to see him talk to the familes of those kids killed in that helicopter crash and convince them that this war was worth all the pain they are going through; that it was the right thing to do to send our kids over to Iraq, minus the armor needed for conventional wars (let alone what should have been given the kids if the US really thought they were facing an enemy armed with weapons of mass destruction).

I don’t know, maybe Bush will grin sheepishly and say the war was about the oil all along. I can’t say that makes any sense either. The US is getting about $150 million in oil out of Iraq every month, for which it spends over $5 billion a month. Plus the dead kids, of course. Maybe Philip Zelikov, one of the official 9-11 Commissioners, was correct when he stated in a speech that Iraq was invaded for Israel.

CONTD>
 
But here is the really bad news.

Rather than admit that the invasion of Iraq is a “Charlie Foxtrot”, Bush and his pro-war advisors will continue to pour your money and your children into Iraq, because they have to stay in Iraq in order to move on to the invasion of Iran. And the justifications for invading Iran are, well, the same ones they used for Iraq, weapons of mass destruction, support for terror, yadda yadda yadda… The nation will slide more firmly into unpayable debt at the rate of $5 billion a month, to fight a war whose real purpose is being hidden from the American people whose money and children are being spent so profligately. Bush can’t even keep the smirk off of his face any more. He knows he is lying. He knows you know he is lying. And he knows there isn’t anything you will do about it. Most people don’t have the courage to stand up to a corrupt war machine until after it is their own child lying in that box, and of course by then it is way too late.

So, that’s the bad news. The people the US invaded are getting better at killing our kids, who were sent off to invade Iraq for, well, we don’t really know, do we? They are angry, and rightly so. The people of Iraq know they did not do any of the things Bush claimed they did to justify the war. Our troops know it too. Our kids KNOW they are the villains, and they have to fight that awareness while they fight the Iraqi people, the climate, and the lack of supplies. The war cannot be won because all the stated goals have been exposed as deceptions. And your kids are stuck there, dying, not because they can win, but because thay are just “placeholders”, holding open the door to the invasion of Iran.

That’s the bad news.

Kinda sucks, doesn’t it?
 
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jdnation:
But here is the really bad news.

Rather than admit that the invasion of Iraq is a “Charlie Foxtrot”, Bush and his pro-war advisors will continue to pour your money and your children into Iraq, because they have to stay in Iraq in order to move on to the invasion of Iran. And the justifications for invading Iran are, well, the same ones they used for Iraq, weapons of mass destruction, support for terror, yadda yadda yadda… The nation will slide more firmly into unpayable debt at the rate of $5 billion a month, to fight a war whose real purpose is being hidden from the American people whose money and children are being spent so profligately. Bush can’t even keep the smirk off of his face any more. He knows he is lying. He knows you know he is lying. And he knows there isn’t anything you will do about it. Most people don’t have the courage to stand up to a corrupt war machine until after it is their own child lying in that box, and of course by then it is way too late.

So, that’s the bad news. The people the US invaded are getting better at killing our kids, who were sent off to invade Iraq for, well, we don’t really know, do we? They are angry, and rightly so. The people of Iraq know they did not do any of the things Bush claimed they did to justify the war. Our troops know it too. Our kids KNOW they are the villains, and they have to fight that awareness while they fight the Iraqi people, the climate, and the lack of supplies. The war cannot be won because all the stated goals have been exposed as deceptions. And your kids are stuck there, dying, not because they can win, but because thay are just “placeholders”, holding open the door to the invasion of Iran.

That’s the bad news.

Kinda sucks, doesn’t it?
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I think it is fantastic how jubilant the Iraqi people were that got to vote for the first time in their lives. Despite the fact that they were under threat of attack from anti-freedom Islamic militants, the turnout was very large. In fact, in the few areas where these cowards were able to stage attacks, the people, unintimidated, simply left and returned later to vote. Many stood in line for as long as it took, including women that had lost most, if not all, the men in their family to Sadaams brutal hands of murder.

Freedom is on the march - God bless Iraq.
 
jdnation, I don’t agree with most of what you wrote, but it did occur to me that the helicopter and plane were shot down. I follow the aircraft in Iraq for personal reasons, and I thought that immediately. I still think we did the right thing going into Iraq and I would vote for Bush all over again. I don’t think you have all the facts.
 
Actually I didn’t write that, it was an article from here…

whatreallyhappened.com/thebadnews.html

I’m not American, but I can say that in Canada and in France and India, people are fretting over America going to fight another war for wrong reasons. We don’t buy the ‘for democracy’ reason, in fact it simply seems like a last minute excuse now that every other one has fallen apart.

From what I know it appears clear that this war was a sham for Israel’s sake. Plus for those of you wanting to invade Iran, you might want to consider that in that event a draft might come into effect. If I may speak for myself, I’m afraid of George Bush, I also believe that your recent election was stolen… again. For a President with one of the lowest approval ratings, I don’t see how he could’ve won the popular vote, plus there are all those DieBold scandals to consider and I fear another invalid election is taking place in Iraq. From what I hear, it is not really democracy that the muslims are afraid of, but rather that with such Americanization, their strict religious values (however faulty we see them) will be replaced with the immorality occuring in American society now.

Added to that I don’t buy George Bush being a Christian, and I fear that he will take Christianity down with him. It seems to be all rhetoric, and his abortion and homosexual stands are certainly questionable. It seems that your government wants war rather than negotiation. To what end I have no idea but the Iraq war seems a catalyst for bigger things to come. All Bush needs is another excuse, perhaps another terrorist incident, to institute a draft.
 
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