Does US Airstrike in Iraq Violate Just War Doctrine?

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VonDerTann said:
I always find it ironic (yet sad) when people endlessly debate how bad the US is…
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Well, you know, hate the sin, love the sinner.

I wouldn’t say the US is bad, but rather that it does bad. Or should I not say it but we?

Room for improvement. Work in progress. On a journey toward perfection. Is that about right?
 
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Theo520 said:
Kurds be darned
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One of the greatest enemy of the Kurds is and has been the Turks who deny them the right of self determination. And yet the US welcomes the NATO alliance with the Turks. Americans give about 154, 447,000 (154 million) dollars each year to Turkey to support them. And Trump refuses to recognize the horrific Armenian genocide as millions of innocent Armenians were slaughtered by Turkey. If Americans are so concerned about the Kurds, they should refuse to give millions and millions of dollars to their ally, Turkey who is a stubborn and implacable foe of Kurdish independence and they should throw out Trump as he refuses to recognize the Armenian genocide and as he supports his ally Turkey.


 
VonDerTann said:
I wonder BTW - were the 9/11/01 murders of thousands of Americans by Islamic terrorists a “just war?” Funny how we never talk about that…
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Nobody asks that because it is a dumb question. This has got to be the worst case of whataboutism I have ever seen.

As to this question, I really do not know enough to say, at least yet, if Just War Doctrine applies. I hope all here remember though that the Catholic Church is pro-life, not just pro-birth. Assassination of another nation’s leader, while we are not at war with them, is too akin to public lynching for my taste.
 
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My point, pnewton, wasn’t truly to ask a question, it was to use irony. I called what happened on 9/11 murder because that’s what it was, on a grand scale. Lots of people are quick to trash the USA while ignoring the actions of others that are far worse. The fact that those same people doing the trashing are safe in their homes because of the US military is doubly ironic.
 
…and BTW, we most certainly are already at war with “them,” because they’re at war with us. Islamic terrorists and the Iranian nation are already at war with the USA, in every sense of the word, including by atracking the US embassy which is sovereign US territory. Iran is probably the biggest worldwide terror exporter there is. These same killers are at war with Christians and essentially all those who don’t agree with them. They are at war with you, and with me.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Without cooking oil, how many children in Africa would die of food and water-borne parasite diseases?
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Er… cooking oil is made from plant sources, and if you consider lard and butter as analogues of “oil” (for cooking purposes), animal sources. Not petroleum. The Mideast oil situation has nothing whatsoever to do with cooking oil.

As a side note, we are able to stretch our petroleum supplies with ethanol, which is produced from corn and other plants. The earlier forms of ethanol fuel were said to damage gaskets in cars, but that seems to have been resolved — you don’t hear this expressed as a concern anymore. I worked for a fuel retailer fresh out of college and heard this discussed back then.
 
A few church officials did say that 2003 iraq invasion did not meet the criteria for a just war.
 
VonDerTann said:
My point, pnewton, wasn’t truly to ask a question, it was to use irony. I called what happened on 9/11 murder because that’s what it was, on a grand scale. Lots of people are quick to trash the USA while ignoring the actions of others that are far worse.
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I was alive during 9/11. I assure you it was not ignored by anyone. To be clear, one can think an action by a president was wrong and not be trashing the USA.
 
Ofcourse you don’t know that US till recently used to provide arms to Pakistan which they were using to infiltrate the Indian soil with terrorists. As a catholic from India who supported US killing of Abu Baghdadi a few months back the greatest terrorist nation in the world is USA
 
Does the killing of 600 solders and countless civilian lives justify killing an Iran architect of these killings is another way of thinking about this post.
 
I’m conservative by nature but both Gulf wars were mistakes of the Bushes, I voted for both. But then who knows the future except God.
 
Trump is responsible for the deaths of a few. His airstrikes in 2017 killed a few civilians.
Obama/Bushes are mass murderers.

Hope you are aware that Saudis are killing people of Yemen. And hope you also remember that Trump struck a 3 digit arms deal with in the first 6 months of his presidency. Isn’t Trump also a terrorist just like this Iran guy?

PS -I am a Catholic from India
 
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Applying the above logic all the doctors who provide abortions should be killed? And those kill the doctors will come from an Islamic country.
 
My country, my interests. It doesn’t matter if these 2 interests results in the death of another 1 million… Not at all a christian attitude.
 
CorydonMundi said:
Not to mention general salami or however you spell it…
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Oh, come on! You could look it up and spell it right.

Also I note that there is a real General Salami – I kid you not – in Iran. So why don’t we cut out the name-calling and use the man’s real name, Gen. Qasem Soleimani.
… is the man that perfected the IED.
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Really? I didn’t know he was an explosives expert. Plus I remember such explosive devices being “perfected” by US defense contractors decades ago. Only for deployment in just wars, of course. 😉
 
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I wasn’t disputing that Gen. Soleimani influenced and/or directed the use of IEDs.
 
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Do you believe evil must be fought, or love. There is no compassion or love from evil.
 
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