Dr. Fauci and those idiots!

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Agsin the majority of at risk of dying are elderly with comorbidities often living in nursing homes. There maybe a small percentage of outliers in other age groups that succumb to this virus as well but they are very few overall. Disallowing those who aren’t at a high risk ,the ability to work,etc.is also detrimental.We have to keep our economy running.The two are not mutually exclusive
 
Most elderly people with comorbidities do NOT live in nursing homes or even in retirement communities. They live among other age groups. They go shopping at the supermarket; they pass others on the sidewalk; they can be found in the pharmacy and the convenience store; they are grandparents who live in the same home as their children and grandchildren. In other words, they are NOT segregated from the rest of society. Thus they are vulnerable to the behavior of other age groups of people, such as social distancing or not, mask-wearing or not. We all depend on one another.
 
Another complaint of many that I have about Fauci is that his field, epidemiology, is a very inexact area.

If I go the doctor for a sore throat, I have strep or I don’t, and the doctors plan accordingly. Epidemiology by contrast is more about modelling. IIRC Fauci was making “predictions” in March-July to the effect of “maybe we’ll have 100,000 deaths, and maybe we’ll have 2 million.”

Gee, anyone can be an “expert” if they give a prediction of 2 extremes with a spread that wide.

Plus it’s not the first time Fauci has been wrong. In the 1980s he was saying we were going to have millions of deaths from AIDS - but a vaccine was just months away.

I like and agree with Senator Rand Paul: Fauci’s wrong a lot more often than he’s right (plus if you just lie like he did about Masks that covers a lot of sins).
 
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Yep I’m not imressed with Fauci,that’s for sure
 
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Never trust a man who can’t throw a baseball to save his own life.
 
Well then I guess we all had better hide for infinity to avoid any deaths because this virus as we discussed the other day,is now endemic.
 
Fauci was always predicting an AIDS vaccine that never materialized. Ill try to link an article if I can locate it.
 
Who is saying we should hide forever? I’m not hiding. I teach online now, and am learning more about computer learning platforms than I ever wanted or needed to know. I go food shopping, I take walks, I pick up medication at the pharmacy when I need to, but I wear my mask when necessary. I don’t go to concerts or restaurants, but still order take-out. I occasionally shop for clothes online. I spend indoor time with family watching television and listening to music, I read, and, of course, I write comments on CAF. No hiding from life here. A bit restricted, yes, but still living.
 
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Agsin the majority of at risk of dying are elderly with comorbidities often living in nursing homes.
Again, their lives matter just as much as those of the young.
Disallowing those who aren’t at a high risk ,the ability to work,
By and large this is not happening.
The two are not mutually exclusive
That’s right. We can have a good economy and policies that prevent the virus from overrunning our society. But that takes a bold national strategy - something we are sorely lacking.
 
Another complaint of many that I have about Fauci is that his field, epidemiology, is a very inexact area.

If I go the doctor for a sore throat, I have strep or I don’t, and the doctors plan accordingly.
Epidemiology is just as valid a science - and just as exact or inexact - as any other medical science. You overestimate how inexact the treatment of a sore throat can be.
Gee, anyone can be an “expert”
No, they can’t.
Plus it’s not the first time Fauci has been wrong.
No one has been more right than him on infectious disease. If you think some other expert has been more right, name him.
I like and agree with Senator Rand Paul:
Rand Paul is no expert in infectious diseases. He just a doc - and a non-practicing one at that, who has not kept up with the science.
 
Well then I guess we all had better hide for infinity to avoid any deaths because this virus as we discussed the other day,is now endemic.
What do you mean by “endemic”? In particular, do you mean that everyone is inevitably going to get it? Or that it will be hanging around in some form at some low level for years to come? If it is the second, then that is no reason to let up on fighting it.
 
Which no one has done.
I am not so sure about that.
Look at the way some defend him.

I’ll be there.
He is now. He did more than most other researchers. Give it up. You are not going to tear down Fauci.
Trump supporters will try.
But as soon as Trump turns on someone, whom he has previously liked, some of his followers change their views, too…
That is quite obviously seen here at CAF.
You know as the wind blows from Trump’s upper orifice.
So Sad
Never trust a man who can’t throw a baseball to save his own life.
  1. Baseball does not save lives.
  2. Would you hire someone that is only effective 30% of time?
 
But that takes a bold national strategy - something we are sorely lacking.
The fastest development time for vaccines ever. Virtually immediate production of respirators in such quantity we’re now exporting them. Increased funding for treatments. Virtually overnight construction of hospital facilities which, unfortunatley were not used because Cuomo wanted to put patients in nursing homes instead, giving New York City the highest death rate known. Fast approval of support for unemployed and businesses to keep them from going down. Rapid buildup of supplies of all kinds because the former administration’s “pandemic supplies” had been largely sold off or didn’t work.

The only thing the Dems hang their hat on is that they want severe lockdowns (and have them in their states and cities) and the Great Depression that will come with it.
 
I think we can reasonably conclude that those with whom you work think poorly of lockdowns. Would you care to supplement your comments? I would like to hear what they have to say.
I hope that my comments dont’ get me into trouble with the “no medical advice” policy of CAF. I am going to try to stick to the “science,” which I hope is allowed.

Around 96% of people recover from COVID-19 with no complications or permanent deletorious effects.

The majority of people who progress to permanent damage or death from COVID-19 have/had an underlying condition; mainly diabetes, old age, obesity, or are immunocompromised in some way (cancer, HIV, etc.).

Of course there are exceptions–there always are. But these are indisputably rare, although somehow the news media seems to easily find these rarities

Although the following is “social science” (harder to measure with an unbiased scientific assay), the lockdown has had severe deletorious effects on the mental and emotional health of a large percentage of people.

What my associates whisper as the answer is “herd immunity.” This is science, tested and true for decades.

Let the virus run its course, just as we allow influenza, other coronaviruses, and other viruses to run their courses. Allow natural immunity to become widespread in the world population. Yes, COVID-19 seems to have an unusual immune pattern, but it is likely that we simply don’t understand its immunity yet.

The other answer is “vaccination,” which for most people, prevents infection.

Right now I’m listening to an NBC (Today Show) report on the correlation of the COVID-19 pandemic and adult stress–it’s pretty grim. They’re labelling it an American mental health crisis, and claiming that a large percentage of young people have considered suicide in the last few weeks–that’s the “science” that we are utterly ignoring while we uphold a very unscientific “lockdown” approach which is obviously not working as the incidence of COVID-19 infection is increasing daily in almost every state in the U.S., including in those states like Illinois that have very stringent masking and social distancing requirements and have shut down restaurants and bars other than for take-out.

I believe after the Presidential election, no matter who wins, herd immunity along with vaccination will be strongly advocated by a large number of medical professionals and scientists throughout the world, including Dr. Fauci, and that within a few months, the incidences of COVID-19 will begin to decrease, and by next Christmas, it will be just another virus that we all have to remember to get vaccinated against, and to take care to avoid if we have any of the risk factors (diabetes, old age, immunocompromised, obesity).

That’s “the science.”
 
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Thank you for the information. The only thing is, a good vaccine seems to be receding as some of the developers have halted their programs due to what I guess are bad side effects. The Sweden approach, which is to be careful but let it run its course without vaccine or anything, might be all there will be. Personally, I have more hope in treatments than potential preventives.
 
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