Drinking alcohol and smoking pot – what are your thoughts?

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Ghosty said:
Some people do use it to get wasted, others use a moderate amount to relax, or to treat pain, or to increase appetite. There is a wide margin between no use and totally wasted.

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Ok, Ghosty. I don’t know becaue I’ve never used. What happens with one joint? Just relaxed? Pain treated? Increased appetite? Or totally wasted?

:eek: This sounded like I’m implying you have used. I didn’t mean it that way. 😊
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JonNC said:
What happens with one joint? Just relaxed? Pain treated? Increased appetite? Or totally wasted?
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Relaxed to the point of anti-social/withdrawn (and sometimes culminating in paranoia)…totally numb and feeling no pain…munchies beyond belief…totally wasted.
 
Ghosty said:
My opinion is based on research as well, and I don’t know why you would think otherwise. In fact, I’m already familiar with the studies you posted and my argument is actually based, in part, on them.

The lung problems are a) from smoking, which is not necessary, and b) the same as tobacco smoking, which is allowed. Therefore the lung damage argument doesn’t apply because the damage caused by smoking marijuana does not meet the threshold necessary for it being morally wrong. As for the schizophrenia connection there is not clear causal link, though the studies regarding marijuana use and schizophrenia do point to a possible link between adolescent marijuana use and an increased risk of schizophrenia. What is not clear is whether or not marijuana is a cause, or whether people with latent schizophrenia are attracted to drug use, as they have a higher rate of drug abuse than average. That said this is all about adolescent marijuana use, when the brain is still developing, and it is precisely adolescent marijuana use that I want to prevent insofar as it is possible. Use by young adults has a long-lasting impact on the brain that is not seen in adult users. It should be noted, however, that once again the research does more to support my assertion than to refute it, because studies have shown that adolescent alcohol use is more damaging to the adolescent brain than marijuana use. For example, this study discusses the damage that these substances can cause to the developing brain.

eeg.sagepub.com/content/40/1/31.short

All true, and also irrelevant to the inherent morality or immorality of marijuana use.

None of this is true, especially any advocating of marijuana use on my part. How many times on this thread have I said that I don’t advocate marijuana use?

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Ghost,

You might do well to do more research on Faith, Hope, Charity and get to know the Trinity better…how about this for oral cannaoboids…
J Psychopharmacol. 2012 Oct 5. [Epub ahead of print]
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Cannabidiol inhibits THC-elicited paranoid symptoms and hippocampal-dependent memory impairment.
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Englund A, Morrison PD, Nottage J, Hague D, Kane F, Bonaccorso S, Stone JM, Reichenberg A, Brenneisen R, Holt D, Feilding A, Walker L, Murray RM, Kapur S.
Source1The Biomedical Research Centre, Institute of Psychiatry, King’s College London, London, UK.
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These findings support the idea that high-THC/low-CBD cannabis products are associated with increased risks for mental health.
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Tonga said:
Marajuana on the other hand-the point IS to get totally wasted on it. As such, I oppose it.
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Tonga, this is the thought of Midwesterners for the last 40 years. No distinction made between, “wasted”, “totally wasted”, “high” and “buzz”. :jrbirdman:
 
Personally, marijuana does not cause me to lose control. I sit and think. Alcohol is completely different. If anything, alcohol should be banned.
 
crumblymunky said:
Personally, marijuana does not cause me to lose control. I sit and think. Alcohol is completely different. If anything, alcohol should be banned.
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Crumbly,

This is your first post and you came here for it…this would be considered empiricism…and there are two schools of thought…empiricism and reason…both should be looked at…👍

You may not recall but there is history of the banning of alcohol and it was not a pretty history…:cool:
 
JonNC said:
Ok, Ghosty. I don’t know becaue I’ve never used. What happens with one joint? Just relaxed? Pain treated? Increased appetite? Or totally wasted?

:eek: This sounded like I’m implying you have used. I didn’t mean it that way. 😊
Jon
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It has been 30 years since i smoked marajuana, and at that time you could smoke a joint to relax.

But now the strains are so potent that just a couple of “hits” will practically put you on your backside. When I was smoking the stuff you could buy an ounce for $10, just try that now.
 
I love drinking pot and smoking alcohol. It dudnt make me stupider or nuttin.🤷
 
I see absolutely nothing wrong with either one. I think marijuana should be legalized, especially for medicinal purposes. I suffer from intractable pain and marijuana works wonders for pain control.
 
I know I’m jumping in here after 300 posts, but here’s my 2 cents. Drugs are for the weak. Too weak to stand up to peer pressure, too weak to solve the difficulties in their lives, too weak to humble themselves before God and ask for help.
 
I once read a W F Buckley article about giving pot to terminal cancer patients and how it made them less sick from chemo and I was sympathetic. I thought about it like morphine, which is also highly additive, but also a superb painkiller, and I figured that, yes, pot should be made available to people who are suffering.

Since that time, however, California got into the medical marijuana thing and what a scam it turned out to be. People suffering from writer’s block and other less-than-terminal ailments have all come out of the woodwork with their “Prop 215 cards.” (I even had a guy offer to pay me for an amplifier on craigslist with marijuana - “Do you have a Prop 215 card? We could do a trade.”). I don’t trust the “dope is good, clean fun movement” any farther than I can throw 'em.
 
Christian_Unity said:
I’ve been to various Protestant churches…some discourage drinking, others prohibit it, and still others have no problem with it. I believe Catholics drink just like me. Since marijuana is now legal in Washington and Colorado, and medical marijuana is legal in many states, what do you believe about drinking and smoking pot?
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Personally, the former in moderation, the latter not at all.
 
CopticChristian said:
Ghost,

You might do well to do more research on Faith, Hope, Charity and get to know the Trinity better…how about this for oral cannaoboids…
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I don’t appreciate the implication that I don’t understand the Faith.

That said, this research your posting just shows that there are safe-strains of marijuana. I’m not sure why you are posting it since it backs up my point.🤷

andrewstx:
But now the strains are so potent that just a couple of “hits” will practically put you on your backside. When I was smoking the stuff you could buy an ounce for $10, just try that now.
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The older strains can still be grown, and are in fact. The problem is that there is no regulated labeling of marijuana, so you don’t know what you’re necessarily getting. It would be like getting Everclear when you think you’re getting Bud Light. The new laws require the labeling of marijuana indicating its strength, so you know if you’re getting stuff that will get you wasted quickly, or stuff that just helps you relax.

Peace and God bless!
 
Dolezal said:
It is not Catholic to prohibit alcohol. The best beers are Trappist beers, such as Leffe, Chimay, Westmalle. Prohibiting alcohol is a child’s idea of morality.

There is no sin in consuming alcoholic beverages as long as it doesn’t lead to drunkenness. The same goes for marijuana, but the effects of marijuana and different strains of marijuana are very different per person, so I think it is probably best to avoid it.
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I agree . I live in Kerala, india where the catholic church is actively working against the use of alcohol. They are also sponsoring an organisation the sole of purpose of which is to get all alcoholic beverages banned in the state.
 
Ghosty said:
so you know if you’re getting stuff that will get you wasted quickly, or stuff that just helps you relax.
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Yeah…right…the relaxing strains as opposed to the wasting strains. That’s pretty funny. :rolleyes:

The 60’s hippies always used to say that. :rotfl:
 
I have not seen much good come out of either.

Both affect you, even in moderation.

I do not need either to be happy, have a good time or relax.

If I was a weaker person, I suppose I might need it.
 
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