Drinking alcohol and smoking pot – what are your thoughts?

[Ghosty]

Yeah…right…the relaxing strains as opposed to the wasting strains. That’s pretty funny.

The 60’s hippies always used to say that.

It’s been scientifically tested and proven, actually. It has to do with the ratio of cannabidiol to THC. I’m sure you knew that, though.

Peace and God bless!

 

[Mickey]

It’s been scientifically tested and proven, actually. It has to do with the ratio of cannabidiol to THC. I’m sure you knew that, though.

There no such thing as “the relaxing strain.” It all gets you quite high. What is being distruibuted as “medical marijuana” is very strong. And if legalized, there will not be so-called “weak” strains. There is more money and more demand for the “good stuff.” It will create generations of legally addicted zombies!

But I’m sure you knew that, though.

 

[Christian_Unity]

It’s been scientifically tested and proven, actually. It has to do with the ratio of cannabidiol to THC. I’m sure you knew that, though.

Peace and God bless!

Keep up with your excellent postings on this strange thread. :tanning::hey_bud::hypno:

 

[Mickey]

CCC 2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

 

[april32010]

CCC 2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

mick,we’ve discussed this .no one is interested in what the Church teaches on this

 

[Mickey]

mick,we’ve discussed this .no one is interested in what the Church teaches on this

I know…but I thought I had better post it again for good measure.

 

[MarkInOregon]

Just about all modern folks drink alcohol for its intoxicating effects. There is no other sane reason to consume vodka or whiskey or brandy or even beer. Cheap wine really serves no other purpose either.

Alcohol quickly effects people too.

I reject your assertion. I know I don’t and I do not know anyone who drinks to get intoxicated (in college it may have been a different story). I drink beverages that I enjoy the taste of and so do the people I know. A good beer is enjoyable–it tastes great–that is a sane reason to consume it. A good glass of wine is wonderful and even more so if I can find a cheap one. Enjoying the taste is a sane reason–the insane reason is for it’s intoxicating effects. And one drink an hour should leave you uneffected.

Peace,
Mark

 

[Swiss_Guy]

mick,we’ve discussed this .no one is interested in what the Church teaches on this

That’s the problem with this thread.

I don’t know why I haven’t unsubscribed yet…better do that.

 

[Ghosty]

There no such thing as “the relaxing strain.” It all gets you quite high. What is being distruibuted as “medical marijuana” is very strong. And if legalized, there will not be so-called “weak” strains. There is more money and more demand for the “good stuff.” It will create generations of legally addicted zombies!

But I’m sure you knew that, though.

You’re dealing in blind assertions, not facts. Research high cannabidiol strains of marijuana and the rising demand for them. Israeli scientists just developed a very high cannabidiol, low THC strain that has no psychotropic effects. The high cannabidiol strains are espescially sought after by medical marijuana users who don’t want a heavy high.

Whether or not such strains will be popular remains to be seen, but the fact is that they’re out there and quite well known and researched. The statement that pot in general simply gets one immediately high is simply false.

Peace and God bless!

 

[Ghosty]

mick,we’ve discussed this .no one is interested in what the Church teaches on this

I’m well aware of the Church teaching. The problem is that passage from the Catechism doesn’t articulate the teaching clearly. Simply quoting the Catechism on this point doesn’t help matters much.

Peace and God bless!

 

[Mickey]

You’re dealing in blind assertions, not facts.

LOL! You are dealing with myths in your zeal to support legalization. For shame!

Israeli scientists just developed a very high cannabidiol, low THC strain that has no psychotropic effects.

There will be no demand for such a thing. People smoke to get high. Don’t you understand this yet? Listen to what your catechism is telling you, man!

The high cannabidiol strains are espescially sought after by medical marijuana users who don’t want a heavy high.

Nonsense! I know someone who gets medical marijuana…and it knocks your socks off. Another one of your myths debunked.

Whether or not such strains will be popular remains to be seen,

I have already answered it for you. There will be no such strain as the “relaxing strain.” People smoke to get high.

The statement that pot in general simply gets one immediately high is simply false.

Then you have been smoking parsley.

 

[Mickey]

I’m well aware of the Church teaching.

Apparently not.

The problem is that passage from the Catechism doesn’t articulate the teaching clearly.

Wrong. You are refusing to see in your dissention.

Simply quoting the Catechism on this point doesn’t help matters much.

It helps very much. It is giving clear direction against what** you** are trying to propose.

 

[Mickey]

That’s the problem with this thread.

Actually…most on this thread are in agreement. There are only a couple (Ghosty in particular) who are pro legal pot.

 

[Ghosty]

Mickey: If you refuse to deal with facts, like the fact that different strains of pot produce different effects, and that there are strains that don’t get you “instantly high”, then there is no point in continuing to discuss this with you. It is not a fantasy that marijuana has different effects based on the ration of cannabidiol to THC. Start with the wiki page on cannabidiol and do the research.

I’ve already addressed the Catechism quote and why it isn’t useful, and I won’t do so again until you can clearly articulate what is and isn’t a forbidden drug according to the Catechism. For the Catechism to be clear it must provide a definition that doesn’t rely on illegality, which is the only current distinction between marijuana and alcohol.

Peace and God bless!

 

[Mickey]

If you refuse to deal with facts

It is more a matter of you refusing to deal with reality.

different strains of pot produce different effects,

Nonsense. Pot gets you high and you know it. It’s called intoxication.

and that there are strains that don’t get you “instantly high”,

Yeah. It used to be called creeper weed. You didn’t think you were high…and then…whammo!

then there is no point in continuing to discuss this with you.

I will continue to pray against legalization every day…and I will oppose those with your mindset with evey part of my being.

Start with the wiki page

Wiki? How about the Catechism? How about reality?

I’ve already addressed the Catechism quote and why it isn’t useful

And your talking points were ludicrous and biased toward your particular slant for this issue. It is sad that you try to twist the Catechism to coincide with your prejudice.

and I won’t do so again until you can clearly articulate what is and isn’t a forbidden drug according to the Catechism.

Ha! Nice try.

For the Catechism to be clear

It is very clear.

But just to change direction a bit. Let us say that it is legalized and regulated in mutiple states and approved federally (God forbid). If someone decides to grow their own super potent strain or continuing buying the killer Hawaiian buds off the street…because they don’t like the “relaxed strains”…would it still be legal?

 

[Ghosty]

Mickey: Since you won’t address the facts or questions presented to you I’m not responding to you any more, nor will I even be seeing your posts.

God bless!

 

[Doxus]

From a practical standpoint, I find a typical joint to be about as intoxicating as a single shot of liquor. Liquor has been shown to have much more severe impacts on the mind and body than marijuana (citations on request), is known to be more dependency-forming than pot (again, citations on request), and is generally an all-around worse drug for you.

Liquor is age-regulated (21y+) and is taxed to the government’s profit. There are people who have trouble with alcoholism, and institutions exist to help them overcome it.

Marijuana is federally banned and importation, growing, and selling it are prosecutable offenses. The government spends billions finding, prosecuting, and jailing marijuana dealers and users, despite populace-supported state laws in many states that partially or entirely decriminalize it.

Theology aside, that seems nonsensical from a practical standpoint. The worse drug is given immensely more leniency than the safer one.

 

[jeannetherese]

From a practical standpoint, I find a typical joint to be about as intoxicating as a single shot of liquor. Liquor has been shown to have much more severe impacts on the mind and body than marijuana (citations on request), is known to be more dependency-forming than pot (again, citations on request), and is generally an all-around worse drug for you.

Hi Doxus. Yes, please, I am requesting your citations.
The argument that marijuana is worse drug for you than alcohol is interesting. It would be interesting to see the longitudinal studies which support that assertion. I would be especially interested in studies of its effects upon the lungs and reproduction systems.
However the argument that one thing that is bad for your body is less bad than another is not much of an argument for supporting the availability of either of those things .
It would be helpful to see arguments which move beyond this line of thinking.
May God bless you and all who visit CAF. Amen.

 

[Mickey]

Since you won’t address the facts or questions presented to you I’m not responding to you any more, nor will I even be seeing your posts.

That’s fine with me. One can usually find “facts” that will support just about any passion that we carry…that does not mean we should ignore our faith. You need to accept the teachings of your Church and end this silly crusade for support of the legality of a psychedelic drug. Our children should be protected from this…not introduced to it.

I will pray every day it does not come to pass.

 

[Mickey]

From a practical standpoint, I find a typical joint to be about as intoxicating as a single shot of liquor.

I would say that is true if you are smoking parsley.

Theology aside, that seems nonsensical from a practical standpoint .

Spoken like a true atheist